Posted on 03/27/2012 1:13:49 PM PDT by Kaslin
Bu tperhaps SocSec could be addressed, as it is a requirement to participate, just by virtue of you breathing.
IMO, No and No!
GOP stands for Gutless Old Party! Does that help??
You said - “but I’ll vote for the Republican candidate in November regardless - because the alternative is our nation’s destruction.”
I opine that it makes no difference. Romney is a ‘clone’ for Obama, he just has an R at his name.
IF Romney is the candidate, we truly have no choice. This NOT a case of sour grapes, rather a reasoned assessment of Romenys past policies and current words. He LIKES Obamacare.
Either way, we are in deep doo-doo. TPTB do not desire for ObamaCare to go away, it is the very real enslaving enablement that they have worked so hard for.
A vote for Romeny IS a vote FOR ObamaCare.
Do you think the fact that there was no “severability” written into the bill will play into any Justice’s decision? I guess, as a neophyte watcher of the Justices....I’m thinking they know if they strike down the mandate, then the lack of a severability clause really strikes down the whole mess, right? So, this mandate decision is REALLY the deciding factor...maybe?
I would love to see the whole thing get tossed out simply because of no severability clause. Those goons were in such a great hurry to shove that monstrosity down our throats, that they forget to put in severability. It would be LMAO poetic justice.
LOL you pay for medicare your entire working life silly...
Compromise for the sake of compromise is not a good in and of itself. Two bad guys debating letting everyone live or killing everyone, “compromise” of killing half the people isn’t moral, it’s still murder.
Everything of the bill must be tossed out, if not by the Supreme Court then by the next Congress. If this edict stands, the Republic is lost.
Of course you are right.
I'm no Romneybot - I have made that abundantly clear, both in this thread and in many others. Within the present field, I support Gingrich. Realistically speaking, I don't think that Newt can win, but I support him nonetheless and will certainly vote for him EVEN IF he's withdrawn from the race by then.
Despite my wishes, if Romney wins the nomination it will be a Romney-Obama race. Possibly the worst choice EVER in our history - but nevertheless a choice. Whatever one's opinion of Romney on social matters, I do believe that he'll restore some sanity to our budgeting process, and I am quite certain that he won't be making behind-the-scenes self-out deals with the Russkies. Nor will he be bowing to the King of Saudi Arabia or anyone else. To maintain that there is no difference between Obama and Romney is quite clearly wrong - and you know it. Believe me, I do understand partisanship, but let's not carry this thing too far. Yes, Romney is the worst of the Republican candidates (IMHO), but even the worst Republican is better than Obama - and its not even close.
If that happens, it will through goading of the masses hasten the sort of major correction that we need per Tytler's cycle:
from bondage to spiritual faith; from spiritual faith to great courage; from courage to liberty; from liberty to abundance; from abundance to selfishness; from selfishness to complacency; from complacency to apathy; from apathy to dependency; from dependency back again to bondage.
If we elect a lukewarm GOPer, all we do is slow the death and delay the inevitable.
Little Socializt UNthinkers. Bellyfeel socializm.
I agree. Sotomeyer has a nice smile and looks like she could be a charmer, plus she “looks smart.” Kagan looks as ugly and dumb as a sack of potatoes, plus they won’t respect her because she didn’t recuse herself, and that makes them all look bad. I bet they don’t even say hello to her in the elevator.
I was at a dinner once where Scalia told us the same thing. The question was, “What was the most persuasive oral argument you’ve ever heard?”. Scalia’s answer, “I’ve never heard a persuasive oral argument.”
Later on, I was a law clerk for an appellate judge. I can certainly say that I’ve never seen a judge change his mind after oral arguments. More than once, I had already drafted the judge’s opinion.
Good Lord, I can’t believe all the negative doom-and-gloom posts on here!! I realize the U.S. Supreme Court justices are very unpredictable and that it’s always wise to exercise caution when anticipating a verdict, but you’d swear we are a slam dunk to lose this case based on the incessant hand-wringing and apocalyptic pessimism here! On the contrary, I’ve seen MANY encouraging questions and comments by all five conservative members of the court that would leave me to believe they’ve already pretty much decided to at least strike down the individual mandate and then it’s just a matter of how much of the rest of the law will be permitted to stand.
And one key thing that’s gotten lost in all this... Let’s not forget that Obama tried to PUBLICLY HUMILIATE the members of the Supreme Court during his State of the Union speech two years ago by arrogantly ridiculing their ruling on the Citizens United Case. Rest assure, THEY haven’t forgotten about it and you know what the famous expression says about payback!
Honestly, I don’t know how some of you can even stand to roll out of bed each day with the overly negative outlook you have on everything!
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It’s over. 5-4 find individual mandate unconstitional.
It was unmistakably contained in Alito’s line of questioning on burial insurance. Alito’s metaphor is easily understood as signaling his disgust at the idea of penultimately giving the Commerce Clause vis divina over every other word in the Constitution, particularly those rather important Articles regarding separation of powers. It’s a short step to render drawing (or re-drawing) that bright line.
Even the choice of wording was pointed. In fact, Alito’s questioning was so composed, the majority opinion is already written in his head, and probably Nino’s too. I wouldn’t be a bit surprised if Roberts hands the majority opinion to Alito so Roberts and Kennedy can disagree in part if necessary.
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I agree.
I also thought the other major key moment was when Justice Kennedy stated: “And here the government is saying that the Federal Government has a duty to tell the individual citizen that it must act, and that is different from what we have in previous cases and that changes the relationship of the Federal Government to the individual in the very fundamental way.” This does NOT sound to me like a ringing endorsement by Kennedy for the mandate being Constitutional.
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Certainly, the majority of Americans hope that the SCOTUS will overturn the law. After that, there is no telling how Congress and the administration will react. IMO, Reed and the Dems in the Senate will try to ram it through and pass it again just to prove that they can.
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Harry Reid and the Senate Democrats have absolutely no chance of ramming through a similar health care bill without a veto-proof majority in the Senate and with a Republican-controlled House of Representatives.
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BTW, for those who won’t support a Republican candidate who is not of your choosing, think about Obama appointing another 1, 2 or 3 justices (and, especially, replacing Thomas, Alito or Scalia). Think about the hundreds of District and Appeals Court judges he will appoint in the next 4 years. If Obama gets to do that, regardless of how this case turns out, our republic is dead. This election is THAT important - and sometimes the lesser of 2 evils is the best choice, because if it isn’t chosen then the greater evil wins. Obama is an extremely radical opponent of limited government and of American exceptionalism. He will accelerate the tearing down of this country in a 2nd term - so that term must not come about. I am NOT a Romney supporter by any stretch of the imagination, and I am PLENTY pissed off at what the Republican establishment has done over the past few decades, but I’ll vote for the Republican candidate in November regardless - because the alternative is our nation’s destruction.
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AMEN! I could not have stated this any better!
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It’s disturbing that a SCOTUS Justice is so powerful and it is uncomfortable to think how he must view his power. I wonder if enjoys the power, if he enjoys being the deciding justice on this.
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Yep... The fact that our great republic teeters on the brink and its future now literally comes down to a “yay” or “nay” vote by one judge in a black robe is disturbingly mind-boggling.
Did you miss the part where I said "IMO, Reed and the Dems in the Senate will try to ram it through and pass it again just to prove that they can. Secondly, the Dems still own the Senate with a simple majority. I'm not sure that they necessarily need a veto-proof majority, although there is even money that they wouldn't get all of the same Dems to vote for it again. But, the House is definitely out of reach.
That is the issue, yes.
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