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Activists protest group that promoted 'stand your ground' laws to states - Trayvon Martin
orlandosentinel.com ^ | March 29, 2012 | Mark K. Matthews

Posted on 03/29/2012 8:09:17 PM PDT by Tailgunner Joe

WASHINGTON — A conservative think tank became the latest target of outrage resulting from Trayvon Martin's shooting, as a few dozen protesters rallied Thursday outside the headquarters of the American Legislative Exchange Council to oppose its role in promoting "stand your ground" laws.

The rally, a few blocks from the White House, looked to highlight efforts by ALEC to spread the law — which allows armed citizens to shoot when threatened — to statehouses nationwide after the Florida Legislature passed "stand your ground" legislation in 2005.

ALEC, a business-funded conservative group that helps develop bills for state lawmakers, adopted the Florida measure as "model legislation" and helped pass it in more than 20 states. Critics blame it for contributing to the death of Trayvon at the hands of Neighborhood Watch volunteer George Zimmerman.

Others at the rally represented labor unions, the NAACP and various progressive groups. U.S. Rep. Corrine Brown, D-Jacksonville, was scheduled to attend, but an aide said she was detained by congressional votes and meetings.

"Over there is where ALEC cooks up its poisonous legislation and spreads it around the nation. It's time for it to end," said Marc Morial, president and CEO of the National Urban League. "ALEC, we want you to join us. We want you to repudiate these laws."

In a statement prior to the protest, ALEC criticized activists for politicizing the issue and questioned whether stand your ground laws would apply to the Trayvon case, in which Zimmerman followed Trayvon after being told by a 911 dispatcher there was no need to do so. ....

Protesters said their intent was to repeal "stand your ground" measures, which they dubbed "shoot first" or "kill at will" laws. One woman carried a sign that read "Don't shoot me, I'm a mother and grandmother."

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TOPICS: US: District of Columbia
KEYWORDS: marcmorial; trayvonmartin

1 posted on 03/29/2012 8:09:22 PM PDT by Tailgunner Joe
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To: Tailgunner Joe

Poinsonous legislation = self defense? I don’t think so.

These folks joining in with the NAACP should be renamed, Thugs R Us.


2 posted on 03/29/2012 8:12:47 PM PDT by SatinDoll (No Foreign Nationals as our President!)
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To: Tailgunner Joe

So, these guys still have yet to figure out that stand your ground doesn’t even apply to this situation.


3 posted on 03/29/2012 8:13:05 PM PDT by dila813
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To: Tailgunner Joe

Cornfusion reigns. It’s not even proved yet that this law even figured in the Zimmerman-Martin altercation, or whether older self defense law (how do you retreat if your head’s getting slammed on the pavement?) would apply.


4 posted on 03/29/2012 8:13:27 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Sometimes progressives find their scripture in the penumbra of sacred bathroom stall writings (Tzar))
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To: Tailgunner Joe

This is moving headlong into an assault on the second amendment.


5 posted on 03/29/2012 8:13:27 PM PDT by mykroar (Please be aware any /sarc tag is for the lurkers, not the Freepers.)
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To: Tailgunner Joe

Every time I see the kids name I can’t help but hear Elton John singing:

“Trayvon...
Trayvon likes his hoodie...”


6 posted on 03/29/2012 8:16:38 PM PDT by Lancey Howard
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To: Tailgunner Joe
The only people who oppose "SYG" are folks who think you should have no right of self-defense ~ that you should wait for the cops, or runaway ~ even if you're confined to a wheelchair.

Then, there are the supporters of "SYG" who seem to think that it applies only to folks with firearms.

Obviously the opponents and the supporters have never read any of these laws. The Florida law, which was a repeal of the earlier "duty to retreat' requirement, doesn't say 'firearm', 'gun', etc. It says you can use force, or even lethal force to defend yourself, and that could be just all sorts of things ~ the mind boggles!

The article here has an opponent of "SYG" Who also thinks it applies only to folks with firearms.

His strange little girlfriend who used to protest in Israel, Rachel Corey, could teach him something about 'lethal force" ~ but she's dead (thankfully).

Seriously, the Florida law, if none of the others, applies to people going about their business peacefully and lawfully who are then presented with a threat to life or limb.

They simply do not have to run away and may lawfully use force!

That's all there is to it.

7 posted on 03/29/2012 8:19:30 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: Lancey Howard

Wanna bet some enterprising manufacturer of hoodies will get an endorsement agreement from Trayvon’s mom (was there a daddy around?) for a Trayvon line of hoodies?????


8 posted on 03/29/2012 8:21:05 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Sometimes progressives find their scripture in the penumbra of sacred bathroom stall writings (Tzar))
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To: dila813
ZImmerman's lawyer has been on both sides on that question ~ and both parties to the events do have a claim on the protections of the law.

You should sit there reading the thing over and over until you see what it's about.

9 posted on 03/29/2012 8:22:23 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: HiTech RedNeck

I thought he was visiting his father.


10 posted on 03/29/2012 8:22:23 PM PDT by Mears (Alcohol. Tobacco. Firearms. What's not to like?)
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To: HiTech RedNeck
It’s not even proved yet that this law even figured in the Zimmerman-Martin altercation,

Stand your ground means you don't have to retreat, but Zimerman was probably not following Martin at the time they made contact with each other...... this may not have been a retreat, but it surely wasn't standing his ground.

Next we have Martin on top of Zimmerman rearranging his face. At this point he had no option to retreat and he wasn't standing his ground..... he was getting his ass kicked.

11 posted on 03/29/2012 8:22:43 PM PDT by umgud (No Rats, No Rino's)
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To: Tailgunner Joe

Concealed Carry laws say that force is justified if you feel your life is threatened. Somebody’s fists can be viewed as weapons. Zimmerman was justified to use force to stop the threat. Case closed.


12 posted on 03/29/2012 8:25:22 PM PDT by 38special (Only fools believe the liberal media)
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To: Mears

Getting passed around in a broken family... that’s got to be a real encouragement.


13 posted on 03/29/2012 8:25:36 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Sometimes progressives find their scripture in the penumbra of sacred bathroom stall writings (Tzar))
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To: Mears; HiTech RedNeck
There are some folks who haven't focused on this case since March 20 when there were people speculating that Trayvon was just cutting through a wealthy gated community.

Turns out he was visiting with his father at that NON wealthy but still gated community.

He was legally there and not cutting through.

Also, if anyone is at all interested "It was a dark and stormy night.................."

14 posted on 03/29/2012 8:25:58 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: muawiyah

Well so far so good... till as one report involving an eyewitness has it, Trayvon jumped and beat up on Zimmerman shortly after Zimmerman gave up his trail. That’s where Trayvon dumped his high ground smack into the toilet.


15 posted on 03/29/2012 8:29:00 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Sometimes progressives find their scripture in the penumbra of sacred bathroom stall writings (Tzar))
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To: Tailgunner Joe

I don’t understand why a “stand your ground” law is even needed.


16 posted on 03/29/2012 8:29:32 PM PDT by Terry Mross ( "It happened. And we let it happen. - Peter Griffin, Family Guy)
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To: HiTech RedNeck

Oh, that was in the works very quickly:

http://abovethelaw.com/2012/03/trayvon-trademark-an-atl-debate/


18 posted on 03/29/2012 8:30:44 PM PDT by Lancey Howard
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To: HiTech RedNeck
t mar To Late...
19 posted on 03/29/2012 8:31:16 PM PDT by baddog 219
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To: Terry Mross

Because too many other laws are out there now that take a far more blinkered view of the rights of victims.


20 posted on 03/29/2012 8:31:30 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Sometimes progressives find their scripture in the penumbra of sacred bathroom stall writings (Tzar))
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To: baddog 219

GETCHER RACE BAIT WHILE IT’S FRESH!!


21 posted on 03/29/2012 8:32:38 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Sometimes progressives find their scripture in the penumbra of sacred bathroom stall writings (Tzar))
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To: HiTech RedNeck
Ask yourself how Trayvon would know Zimmerman's state of mind?

Did he make an announcement over a bullhorn perhaps? Maybe he wrote him a note.

A note for the future ~ if you're giving up the chase tell your quarry about it!

22 posted on 03/29/2012 8:33:09 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: muawiyah

Nobody taking Trayvon’s side seems to see the irony in complaining about “stand your ground” laws huh?

How about Zimmerman beginning to leave. And that would have been that except Martin jumped him.


23 posted on 03/29/2012 8:36:03 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Sometimes progressives find their scripture in the penumbra of sacred bathroom stall writings (Tzar))
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To: Tailgunner Joe
The rally, a few blocks from the White House, looked to highlight efforts by ALEC to spread the law — which allows armed citizens to shoot when threatened — to statehouses nationwide after the Florida Legislature passed "stand your ground" legislation in 2005.

So what are the the statistics since the law was passed, and how do they compare to states like Illinois, the home of Father Hoodie?

24 posted on 03/29/2012 8:39:41 PM PDT by Moonman62 (The US has become a government with a country, rather than a country with a government.)
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To: HiTech RedNeck
(1) I"m all for SYG laws.

(2) How does Trayvon know Zimmerman is "leaving'? From his perspective maybe the guy simply changed course and is continuing the search?

You and I can speculate that Zimmerman is telling the 911 dispatcher the truth about his intentions ~ but that's only because we have access to the recording.

Maybe Zimmerman should have shouted to his quarry that he was leaving now, or maybe he could have taken the opportunity to announce that this was private property, it was posted, he was Neighborhood Watch, and unless you had a legal reason to be there, to leave the premises.

Something like that.

We identify our Neighborhood Watch folks. Apparently that development didn't.

But that's all speculation. You had a young man trying to get "home' in the development on a "Dark and stormy night......" He had a fellow in an SUV following him.

This was probably not the time to start a manhunt

25 posted on 03/29/2012 8:44:52 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: Tailgunner Joe
Others at the rally represented labor unions, the NAACP and various progressive groups.

Maybe they were progress many decades ago, but nothing is more progressive than individual freedom and allowing ordinary citizens to keep and bear arms.

26 posted on 03/29/2012 8:46:29 PM PDT by Moonman62 (The US has become a government with a country, rather than a country with a government.)
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To: muawiyah

Normally leaving is not a matter of quibbles — and neither is approaching. I clearly see you are entering into quibble mode.


27 posted on 03/29/2012 8:46:51 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Sometimes progressives find their scripture in the penumbra of sacred bathroom stall writings (Tzar))
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To: HiTech RedNeck

I recommend you ignore the troll. He’s been willfully obtuse on this thing for days now. His narrative is as full of lying by omission as the mainstream media.


28 posted on 03/29/2012 8:49:14 PM PDT by FreedomPoster (Islam delenda est)
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To: FreedomPoster
A "troll"?

You're one of the guys who addresses the slightest disagreement on the basis that it must be a lie. Then you run to the Administrator to ask that your opponent be suspended.

Have you ever heard of courtesy?

29 posted on 03/29/2012 9:03:46 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: dila813
Never let a good crisis go to waste.

Here in action in all it's glory.

30 posted on 03/29/2012 9:35:53 PM PDT by sjmjax (Politicans are like bananas - they start out green, turn yellow, then rot.)
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To: Tailgunner Joe

“We want you to repudiate these laws.”

Not likely to happen, you opportunistic thug advocate.

Trayvon seems to have been a thuggish criminal wanna-be who tried the Knock Down King routine and paid the appropriate price.


31 posted on 03/29/2012 9:37:57 PM PDT by GladesGuru (In a society predicated upon freedom, it is necessary to examine principles."...the public interest)
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To: muawiyah

“Also, if anyone is at all interested “It was a dark and stormy night..................”

The weather was nothing compared to the howling blizzard of a sh*t storm stirred up by the enemedia and the race pimps.


32 posted on 03/29/2012 9:40:32 PM PDT by GladesGuru (In a society predicated upon freedom, it is necessary to examine principles."...the public interest)
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To: FreedomPoster

Just my personal opinion, but “muawiyah” is really not a troll.


33 posted on 03/29/2012 9:45:20 PM PDT by GladesGuru (In a society predicated upon freedom, it is necessary to examine principles."...the public interest)
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To: muawiyah

I never asked that anyone be suspended here over this. Someone else may have, but it sure wasn’t me.

I did ask that pics of the wrong TM be deleted.


34 posted on 03/30/2012 1:18:22 AM PDT by FreedomPoster (Islam delenda est)
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To: Tailgunner Joe
U.S. Rep. Corrine Brown, D-Jacksonville, was scheduled to attend, but an aide said she was detained by congressional votes and meetings.

And her session at Sylvan Learning Center.

As long as Sheila Jackson Lee remains, and Cynthia McKinney doesn't return, Corrine has little chance of regaining her title of "Certifiably Most Stupid Member of Congress."

35 posted on 03/30/2012 1:46:06 AM PDT by papertyger ("And how we burned in the camps later, thinking: What would things have been like if...")
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