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Obama says enough world oil to crack down on Iran
reuters ^ | 033012 | by Jeff Mason and Roberta Rampton

Posted on 03/30/2012 7:13:58 PM PDT by the invisib1e hand

"I will closely monitor this situation to assure that the market can continue to accommodate a reduction in purchases of petroleum and petroleum products from Iran," he said in a statement.

(Excerpt) Read more at reuters.com ...


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Canada; Crime/Corruption; Foreign Affairs; Government
KEYWORDS: anwr; canada; energy; hydrocarbons; iran; kenyanbornmuzzie; keystonexl; lunatic; oil; oilczaroftheworld; oilfuturesobama; opec
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To: the invisib1e hand
China can buy all of Iran's oil and they can pay in either Yuan or physical gold.

Now what, Obie?

41 posted on 04/05/2012 4:08:08 PM PDT by Sirius Lee (Sofa King Mitt Odd Did Obamneycare)
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To: jongaltsr

Geeeez. What do I know, I’m just a geologist with over thirty years in the oil patch. Maybe you can give me some links to all this information.


42 posted on 04/05/2012 9:56:32 PM PDT by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing)
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To: jongaltsr

Besides wishful thinking, what is that claim based upon.

In refineries, everday we breakdown crude oil into smaller less complex molecules under heat and pressure. What makes you think this process is magically reversed below ground?


43 posted on 04/06/2012 11:16:10 AM PDT by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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To: jongaltsr
converts carbon, oxygen (etc) via nuclear reaction to produce oil

I am sorry but you do not have a clue what you are talking about.

Nuclear reaction are on the atomic level, not molecular. They involve changes in the nucleus of atoms. This changes atoms from one material to another, like uranium into krypton and barium.

Molecular reactions are used to create or breakdown long chain hydrocarbon like those found in crude oil. They involve the exchange of electrons outside the nucleus to create molecular bonds.

They are as different as a nuclear power plant compared to brewery. You are confusing chemistry with nuclear reactions.

By the way, bold and capital letters don't make a wrong assumption more correct. They only give emphasis to your lack of understanding.

44 posted on 04/06/2012 1:15:12 PM PDT by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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To: thackney

Sorry.

You are correct.

Slip of the tongue so to speak.....
I was thinking molecular reactions not sub atomic changes.

The earth (does) modify its raw materials into various molecular products - one major product is oil (or maybe I should specify a range of oils. The majority are heavy molecules we refer to as petroleum and a range (I suppose but only suppose) that a range of medium heavier molecules to even very heavy oils are produced in the process.

My knowledge of chemistry is that most reactions produce a variety of similar molecules and only through filtration can you get a specific molecular structure.

Sorry about the misunderstanding. I think on the atomic level and know (VERY) little about the workings of sub atomic nuances.


45 posted on 04/06/2012 3:46:57 PM PDT by jongaltsr
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To: thackney

In response to your challenge - do you think that the temperatures we can control petroleum refining can ANYWHERE compare to the Temperature / Pressures that occur in the core of the earth.

We are hundreds (even Thousands) of years to be able to attain the conditions found in the core of our planet.


46 posted on 04/06/2012 3:51:47 PM PDT by jongaltsr
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To: Smokin' Joe

My information comes directly from Petroleum Engineers that warn me that governments do not want this information known otherwise we would have more control over our future and you should be well aware that THEY want to control what we know and expect from our future so that they can control our lives.

Knowledge is power and control of “Knowledge” gives even greater control of the masses.


47 posted on 04/06/2012 3:57:03 PM PDT by jongaltsr
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To: thackney

Most of your statements are quite true but do not underestimate the volume and workings of the mass of the earth of which we live on only a very thin crust.


48 posted on 04/06/2012 4:06:25 PM PDT by jongaltsr
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To: Smokin' Joe

Brazil and various other countries are becoming aware of abiotic oil. Abiotic simply means that it is produced without the benefit of oxidation.

Normal drilling platforms are not capable of tapping such supplies. Why do you thing British Petroleum made such a mess in the Gulf of Mexico, when they tried to use today’s technology in such deep sea exploration.


49 posted on 04/06/2012 4:13:30 PM PDT by jongaltsr
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To: jongaltsr
That is my point. Oil breaks down at far lower temperatures than that of even approaching the mantel, let alone deep down.

At 600°~900°C, oil breaks down. The molecular structure of the heavier, more complex molecules breaks apart into the smaller simpler ones.

You are trying to claim they form together at even hotter temperatures. The properties doesn’t reverse. And even if they did that magic at extremely hot temperatures, we know they break down as they cool towards what we find.

It simply doesn't happen. There are many other reasons this is false. For example, why would oil only be found in sedimentary basis (where lots of material is laid down from the top)? Why does oil exist in multiple layers with impervious caps above each layer if it is coming up from the bottom?

The only basis for you claim is wishful thinking, no science supports and it doesn't not match where oil has actually been found for over a century.

50 posted on 04/06/2012 6:11:47 PM PDT by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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To: jongaltsr
Brazil and various other countries are becoming aware of abiotic oil.

No they are only finding oil in sedimentary basins.

Abiotic simply means that it is produced without the benefit of oxidation.

That is not what abiotic means. It is the theory of oil forming without biotic generation, in other words, without the biological material like algae or plankton. Crude oil is formed without oxidation. If oxygen was present, the material would breakdown in water, carbon-dioxide, etc. Crude oil does not contain oxygen.

51 posted on 04/06/2012 6:16:10 PM PDT by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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To: jongaltsr
but do not underestimate the volume and workings of the mass of the earth of which we live on only a very thin crust.

That thin crust is the only place oil can exist. As the depth approaches the mantle or deeper, the temperature it too high for the complex crude oil hydrocarbon molecules to exist. They break down at lower than those temperatures.

52 posted on 04/06/2012 6:17:53 PM PDT by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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To: jongaltsr
Why do you thing British Petroleum made such a mess in the Gulf of Mexico, when they tried to use today’s technology in such deep sea exploration.

Judging from the rig data instrumentation graphs, they got a bad cement job on their casing, and no one bothered to halt the displacement of the wellbore with seawater, which lowered the hydrostatic pressure well below what was needed to keep the well under control.

That is how wells blow out, when the formation pressure exceeds the hydrostatic pressure of the drilling fluid in the wellbore and no other means are used to contain that fluid in the formation. In this case, the BOP did not do its job, and the well was already blowing out by the time the BOP closure was attempted, with nearly a mile of marine riser involved above the BOP.

There was a series of mechanical failures and human errors which led to the loss of control of a well which had been under control up until the displacement.

Abiotic simply means that it is produced without the benefit of oxidation.

Oil is not produced in an oxidizing environment, otherwise, it'd be oxidized and be CO2 and H2O instead of CH4 and longer chains of hydrogen and carbon.

The common understanding of "abiotic" is created without any biological activity, literally, without life.

Every oil reservoir I have ever produced oil from has had a source rock rich in organic compounds derived from biotic debris and remains, hence: "fossil" fuel.

Even incidents of allegedly 're-filling' reservoirs can be traced along fault lines to other reservoirs at greater depth, not some miraculous mantle-generated flow of unlimited oil.

53 posted on 04/06/2012 8:19:40 PM PDT by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing)
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To: Smokin' Joe
Geeeez. What do I know, I’m just a geologist with over thirty years in the oil patch. Maybe you can give me some links to all this information.

Resume or it didn't happen.

54 posted on 04/09/2012 6:49:37 AM PDT by Lazamataz (Shut up and drill.)
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To: Smokin' Joe
Geeeez. What do I know, I’m just a geologist with over thirty years in the oil patch. Maybe you can give me some links to all this information.

Resume or it didn't happen.

55 posted on 04/09/2012 6:49:54 AM PDT by Lazamataz (Shut up and drill.)
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To: Lazamataz
Go back and look at the Macundo blowout threads. That should establish my credibility.

Geology BS in 1978, dropped out of a Masters program in Uranium geochemistry in '79 (for those who don't recall, that is the year 3 Mile Island happened) and went to work in petroleum.

I have worked for two major and two minor, but well respected service companies doing wellsite geology and currently have my own consulting firm.

I have been working the Williston Basin and the Rocky Mountains (From ND to Nevada) since '79, was working horizontal wells in 1990, and did the first Bakken horizontal well for a small oil company (now owned by a major oil company) in the Elm Coulee Field in Montana back in 2000.

I found the zone in an infield well with a different target, we twinned the well and did their first lateral. Subsequent field development doubled oil production in Montana.

Any more and I might as well put a business card up.

Now everyone else post their CV.

56 posted on 04/09/2012 11:11:08 AM PDT by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing)
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To: Smokin' Joe

Credit card numbers (with exp. dates and security numbers) or it didn’t happen.


57 posted on 04/09/2012 11:19:16 AM PDT by Lazamataz (Shut up and drill.)
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To: Lazamataz
So, where are the links to all this earth-shaking information?
58 posted on 04/09/2012 1:20:52 PM PDT by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing)
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To: Lazamataz

Not happening, peaches.


59 posted on 04/09/2012 1:22:16 PM PDT by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing)
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To: Smokin' Joe

Bsnk accounts with passwords or it didn’t happen.


60 posted on 04/09/2012 1:29:24 PM PDT by Lazamataz (Shut up and drill.)
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