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Juan Williams: The Trayvon Martin Tragedies
wsj.com ^ | March 27 2012 | Juan Williams

Posted on 03/31/2012 12:13:25 PM PDT by GrandJediMasterYoda

The Trayvon Martin Tragedies

The recent killing of Trayvon Martin needs more investigation. But where's the outrage over the daily scourge of black-on-black crime?

By JUAN WILLIAMS The shooting death of Trayvon Martin in Florida has sparked national outrage, with civil rights leaders from San Francisco to Baltimore leading protests calling for a new investigation and the arrest of the shooter.

But what about all the other young black murder victims? Nationally, nearly half of all murder victims are black. And the overwhelming majority of those black people are killed by other black people. Where is the march for them?

Where is the march against the drug dealers who prey on young black people? Where is the march against bad schools, with their 50% dropout rate for black teenaged boys? Those failed schools are certainly guilty of creating the shameful 40% unemployment rate for black teens.

How about marching against the cable television shows constantly offering minstrel-show images of black youth as rappers and comedians who don't value education, dismiss the importance of marriage, and celebrate killing people, drug money and jailhouse fashion—the pants falling down because the jail guard has taken away the belt, the shoes untied because the warden removed the shoe laces, and accessories such as the drug dealer's pit bull.

Supposedly all of this is just entertainment and intended to co-opt the stereotypes. But it only ends up perpetuating stereotypes in white minds and, worse, having young black people internalize it as an authentic image of a proud black person.

There is no fashion, no thug attitude that should be an invitation to murder. But these are the real murderous forces surrounding the Martin death—and yet they never stir protests.

(Excerpt) Read more at online.wsj.com ...


TOPICS: News/Current Events; US: Florida
KEYWORDS: blackkk; florida; georgezimmerman; juanwilliams; mediawingofthednc; partisanmediashills; trayvon; trayvonmartin
Couldn't find this article on Freep so I thought I'd post it. Mark Levin talked about this article the other night on his show.

Good article although I take issue with:

"the responsibility for the Florida shooting lies with the individual who pulled the trigger".

Well what if he was attacked Juan?

Also "minstrel-show images of black youth" I thought was an absolutely brilliant line. That's exactly what it is.

1 posted on 03/31/2012 12:13:34 PM PDT by GrandJediMasterYoda
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To: GrandJediMasterYoda

Good start on Juan’s part. Now, where’s the outrage about the scourge of black on white crimes?


2 posted on 03/31/2012 12:15:21 PM PDT by Cboldt
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To: Cboldt

That was my thought too

Nothing hurts Black America more than crime and fear for public and personal safety. No matter how you slice it, excuse it, blame it, whatever..........this is what concerns people the most . . of all races.


3 posted on 03/31/2012 12:19:52 PM PDT by A_Former_Democrat (Hey "Unifier" and MSM: Demand Spike Lee apologize. OK check. Next?)
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To: GrandJediMasterYoda
http://i41.tinypic.com/e99j04.jpg

Concept credit: freeper Vanilla Swirl

4 posted on 03/31/2012 12:19:59 PM PDT by gaijin
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To: GrandJediMasterYoda
Juan sometimes gets a glimpse of reality, but his vision is still limited to the Leftist mantra: where's the outrage over the daily scourge of black-on-black crime? But what about all the other young black murder victims? Nationally, nearly half of all murder victims are black. And the overwhelming majority of those black people are killed by other black people.

The rest of the observation would be, "And what about all of the white violent crime victims, and the fact that the astronomical percentage of interracial crime is black on white?"

No, that would be a little too much reality for Juan.

5 posted on 03/31/2012 12:20:53 PM PDT by SampleMan (Feral Humans are the refuse of socialism.)
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To: GrandJediMasterYoda

Yoda??

Post button hit twice, you did...

;)

(Couldn’t resist...)


6 posted on 03/31/2012 12:22:20 PM PDT by Uncle Ike (Rope is cheap, and there are lots of trees...)
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To: GrandJediMasterYoda

Juan Williams picture is in the dictionary under “half wit ignorant lying racist azzhole”.


7 posted on 03/31/2012 12:22:30 PM PDT by MtBaldy (If Obama is the answer, it must have been a really stupid question)
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To: GrandJediMasterYoda

BTW here is the 911 audio if anyone wants to hear it.

Screaming - then the gunshot- then no screaming.

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/videogallery/68870555/News/911-call:-yelling-&-gunshot-heard-in-background


8 posted on 03/31/2012 12:23:03 PM PDT by GrandJediMasterYoda (Someday our schools will teach the difference between lose and loose.)
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To: GrandJediMasterYoda

Hey Juan! How about just where is the outrage over all black committed crime?

I get so sick of “Black on Black” crime, like they want the blacks to stop killing each other and go kill others?

I don’t want any crime.


9 posted on 03/31/2012 12:24:35 PM PDT by FreeAtlanta (Liberty and Justice for ALL)
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To: Uncle Ike

Know, I do. Whoops.


10 posted on 03/31/2012 12:24:46 PM PDT by GrandJediMasterYoda (Someday our schools will teach the difference between lose and loose.)
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To: GrandJediMasterYoda
"the responsibility for the Florida shooting lies with the individual who pulled the trigger".

Well, I see this as Juan having the same inside-the-Beltway mindset as many ostensible conservatives who have said the same thing. So I don't know what his motivation is here - I'm inclined to think he shares the same distaste for self-defense concepts as many of his establishment brethern, as opposed to his taking a racial viewpoint like Sharpton. Because the rest of the article is spot-on.

And what will happen in response to this column? Why, the race pimps will once again call out Juan as an Uncle Tom. Even as a point Juan didn't make - that Trayvon had already eagerly started to embrace the thug mindset, as his pics and tweets indicate - completely vindicates the points Juan makes here.

11 posted on 03/31/2012 12:24:52 PM PDT by dirtboy
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To: GrandJediMasterYoda

If they were struggling over possession of the gun then it is entirely possible that Martin actually pulled the trigger.


12 posted on 03/31/2012 12:26:49 PM PDT by reg45 (Barack 0bama: Implementing class warfare by having no class!)
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To: Uncle Ike

Know, I do. Whoops.


13 posted on 03/31/2012 12:27:07 PM PDT by GrandJediMasterYoda (Someday our schools will teach the difference between lose and loose.)
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To: GrandJediMasterYoda

By remaining silent, the people protesting this shooting accept the fact that Blacks kill more Blacks than any other race. Black drug use is ok because it’s a part of their culture. Same ok goes for unwed Black mothers and the Black Men that father those children.


14 posted on 03/31/2012 12:27:34 PM PDT by Dallas59 (President Robert Gibbs 2009-2011)
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To: Dallas59

Reparations aren’t going to fix the Black problem. White people aren’t going to fix the Black problem.


15 posted on 03/31/2012 12:32:35 PM PDT by Dallas59 (President Robert Gibbs 2009-2011)
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To: GrandJediMasterYoda
"The Trayvon Martin Tragedies The recent killing of Trayvon Martin needs more investigation. But where's the outrage over the daily scourge of black-on-black crime?"

Juan Williams asks the salient question, "...where's the outrage over the daily scourge of black-on-black crime?" but only because he believes that it will make his path to "white-on-black" crime less difficult. There is nothing genuine about this man. His ideology is planted solidly on the left and, as far as race goes, he too is a race baiter, but a race baiter who's a bit more nimble at concealing his intent.

16 posted on 03/31/2012 12:33:34 PM PDT by davisfh
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To: GrandJediMasterYoda

Yea, if I’m on my back with my head getting pounded into the concrete, yelling for help, when I shoot my perpetrator I really no longer need to yell, because the threat is neutralized.


17 posted on 03/31/2012 12:33:38 PM PDT by sandboxshooter (Iraq, Afghanistan, War)
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To: SampleMan
The thing about Juan Williams is that he sees the reality of the world. His problem is that despite seeing those things clearly he still can't grasp the "why."

He first got himself in trouble with the left when he wrote a critical article about Marion Barry. He almost got himself thrown out of the club.

It makes quite a statement that the weekend Jesse Jackson goes rushing to Florida for the Trayvon mess, 40 blacks were shot in Chicago. Fourteen were shot yesterday at a funeral in South Florida. Six were shot by two gunmen, in hoodies, in a Chicago mini-mart.

18 posted on 03/31/2012 12:33:54 PM PDT by USNBandit (sarcasm engaged at all times)
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To: gaijin

Tony Dungy (who I respect) weighed in on having to tell kids about how this type of thing can happen and they need to be careful. Tony’s son committed suicide. Obviously, it was not White trigger happy racists he needed to worry about.


19 posted on 03/31/2012 12:38:01 PM PDT by freedomrings69
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To: GrandJediMasterYoda
Those failed schools are certainly guilty of creating the shameful 40% unemployment rate for black teens.

Except that recent poor Asian immigrants had to send their kids to the same schools - and those kids largely went on to college.

It ain't the schools, it is the anti-educational attitude of thug culture. Any black kid who tries to do well is accused of being an Oreo or of acting white.

But 'acting white' is how you get ahead in life in this country.

20 posted on 03/31/2012 12:38:32 PM PDT by dirtboy
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To: GrandJediMasterYoda

Juan’s the man.


21 posted on 03/31/2012 12:40:42 PM PDT by quilterdebbie
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To: USNBandit
Here's the problem with Juan. He can't help his moments of intellectual honesty. It must eat him up inside to ignore truth sometimes, but yet he has to be somewhat honest about things to justify his liberal existence!

The man understands there is no utopian fantasy land and reality is just too real to lie to himself about!

22 posted on 03/31/2012 12:42:55 PM PDT by sirchtruth (Freedom is not free.)
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To: SampleMan; justiceseeker93
Juan sometimes gets a glimpse of reality, but his vision is still limited to the Leftist mantra: where's the outrage over the daily scourge of black-on-black crime?

How similar to Ken Stein who spoke today at my synagogue!

(Ken Stein is the Carter Center Fellow who quit the Carter Center and Carter's inner circle over Carter's book Palestine Peace Not Apartheid. He is now a history professor at Emory University.)

The gist of his talk was to reject "narrative" in favor of "history, history being all the facts positive and negative, and narrative being only facts and sometimes invention to bolster the history of a particular group of people. (So he suggested e.g. the black narrative doesn't bother to include that blacks were first sold into slavery by other black.)

I thought I was really going to like this guy. But when it came to Obama, it was all sweetness and light, just doing his best for the American People. Some people are just so conditioned by their upbringing that they can not break free of their leftwing chains. Williams is another one. Everyone knows he knows better, but he just cannot break free.

ML/NJ

23 posted on 03/31/2012 12:44:45 PM PDT by ml/nj
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To: GrandJediMasterYoda

The shooter may have been justified, but he is still responsible for pulling the trigger. It didn’t pull itself.


24 posted on 03/31/2012 12:45:03 PM PDT by Sherman Logan
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To: GrandJediMasterYoda
Nationally, nearly half of all murder victims are black. And the overwhelming majority of those black people are killed by other black people. And, the vast majority were murdered with illegally obtained guns by perps who were not law-abiding citizens.
25 posted on 03/31/2012 12:47:33 PM PDT by umgud (No Rats, No Rino's)
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To: GrandJediMasterYoda
All minority parents fear that children who embrace "gangsta" fashion, tattoos and a thug attitude will be prejudged as criminal...That is the unfair weight of being black in America for both the black person who feels the fear and the black teen who is judged as a criminal.

We have seen from photos and tweets that Trayvon had started to embrace the thug mindset. He could have rejected it. He didn't.

So he was on the path to the very lifestyle choices that give whites (and many blacks, as the Jesse Jackson quote clearly indicates) good reason to be fearful of an unknown black walking down a sidewalk with a thuggish demeanor.

So I don't see unfair weight on Trayvon. I have known blacks who act and dress like the middle-class professionals they are and they still draw attention from the cops for simply being out in public. I have seen it myself happen to them. And it sucks. But those are the men who are truly bearing the unfair weight of the likes of those like Trayvon who embrace the thug culture - and worse, those who act it out at the expense of society in general.

If a-holes like Al Sharpton spent more time promoting what Juan Williams and Bill Cosby are saying to blacks, and less time condemning those men, maybe, just maybe, Trayvon would have had a mentoring influence to do well in school and stay away from bad influences. Instead, any such man often suffers attacks from other blacks for acting white. The die for this situation has been cast by decades of so-called black leaders refusing to accept a collective responsibility for the sad state of urban blacks, and instead continuing to blame white America for those failures.

26 posted on 03/31/2012 12:50:53 PM PDT by dirtboy
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To: reg45

That’s what I’m thinking happened. This is a matter of life or death scream, pure panic, how someone reacts if they think they are about to die.

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/videogallery/68870555/News/911-call:-yelling-&-gunshot-heard-in-background

(And I’ve been in that situation) Fighting in reality is nothing like the movies where they exchange punches and kicks. What happens is wrestling, and what I think happened is this kid felt he got “dissed” did a gangsta “one punch” on Zimmerman, or what everyone else likes to call a “sucker punch” and from there the wrestling took place, and Zimmerman out of panic knew he could be killed if this kid got the gun.

Let’s look at the alternative theory:

Zimmerman beats the kid. Well that didn’t happen as they confirmed Tray-von didn’t have a mark on him other than the gunshot wound.

Zimmerman did......

http://media.photobucket.com/image/zimmerman%20cut%20on%20head/hardgear/Zimmerman-ABC-video-enhanced-caption.jpg

So if Trayvon wasn’t beat and was the one screaming, what was he screaming about? That the gun was pointed at him? Maybe, but I highly doubt it would garner this type of scream. I’ve had a gun pointed at me twice when I use to drove a taxi in New Yor city in the 1980s, and all I did was freeze “take it take it take it”.

No, the likely scenario is this kid attacked Zimmerman and Zimmerman went into a panic. Zimmermans family also says without a doubt that is him screaming. I would know the voice of my own son or brother screaming without a doubt.

Being that this Trayvon was into gangsta rap, it would be insteresting to see if he made any recordings of himself.

Let’s compare recordings of Trayvon and Zimmerman and let an expert decide who was screaming.


27 posted on 03/31/2012 12:53:00 PM PDT by GrandJediMasterYoda (Someday our schools will teach the difference between lose and loose.)
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To: dirtboy

You make a statement when you decide what to wear and how to act.

If you choose to dress and act like a criminal, because that is “cool” or “authentically black,” I fail to see why other people should not judge you accordingly.

I first became aware of this back in the late 60s. All the hippies were yakking about how unfair it was for them to be judged based on their hairstyle and attire.

The problem is that this hairstyle and attire was the rough equivalent of carrying a sign aimed at “squaresville Americans.” The sign said “I hate and despise everything you believe in and hold sacred.”

It seemed perfectly logical to me for squares to react appropriately to such a sign.


28 posted on 03/31/2012 12:56:00 PM PDT by Sherman Logan
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To: gaijin

Most uncanny likeness, don’t you think?


29 posted on 03/31/2012 12:56:49 PM PDT by 353FMG
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To: umgud
Nationally, nearly half of all murder victims are black. And the overwhelming majority of those black people are killed by other black people.

And, the vast majority were murdered with illegally obtained guns by perps who were not law-abiding citizens.

Two men charged in botched ATF gun deal, shooting

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2012/03/31/BAPF1NS3UC.DTL&tsp=1

30 posted on 03/31/2012 12:56:59 PM PDT by thecodont
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To: GrandJediMasterYoda

My response if buying more ammunition today at Academy.

When Zero loses badly in November, there will be riots in the streets saying “racism”.

I will welcome them showing up at my door or at my business.


31 posted on 03/31/2012 1:00:11 PM PDT by bestintxas (Somewhere in Kenya, a Village is missing its Idiot.)
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To: SampleMan

>No, that would be a little too much reality for Juan.<

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Juan is not dumb, but because he is a liberal he has to act that way.

It gives the MSM an excuse for not presenting the facts.


32 posted on 03/31/2012 1:00:21 PM PDT by 353FMG
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To: GrandJediMasterYoda
Let’s compare recordings of Trayvon and Zimmerman and let an expert decide who was screaming.

If I'm not mistaken, I believe the cops played that tape for Trayvons father during the initial investigation and he said it did not sound like his son screaming.

33 posted on 03/31/2012 1:09:28 PM PDT by digger48
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To: AdmSmith; AnonymousConservative; Berosus; bigheadfred; Bockscar; ColdOne; Convert from ECUSA; ...

Thanks GrandJediMasterYoda.
...where's the outrage over the daily scourge of black-on-black crime?
It's submerged in the anti-social, snitches-get-stiches anarchy of the hood. A better question is, where's the outrage -- or even national coverage -- of the black-on-white crime? Juan Williams remains a partisan media shill, in the bag for Zero.


34 posted on 03/31/2012 1:14:04 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (I come to bury Caesar, not to praise him)
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To: dirtboy

“It ain’t the schools, it is the anti-educational attitude of thug culture. Any black kid who tries to do well is accused of being an Oreo or of acting white.”

It is the absolute lack of a culture; compare “African Americans” to blacks from British-influenced cultures; they are night & day (pardon the pun).


35 posted on 03/31/2012 1:51:06 PM PDT by kearnyirish2
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To: dirtboy

But, if black kids act white, then they are ostracized by some blacks who embrace the ghetto and gang culture.


36 posted on 03/31/2012 2:02:12 PM PDT by Dilbert San Diego
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To: GrandJediMasterYoda

Sorry Juan, the media mission is to institute marxism, keep 0bama in power and dehumanize Conservatives. Why not
call them out on it?


37 posted on 03/31/2012 2:13:13 PM PDT by soycd
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To: Sherman Logan

And that has apparently pained him a great deal, from what I understand.

I’m not certain if I would have reacted the same way had it been me.

I have to give George credit here, he has a heart and soul, and I respect him.


38 posted on 03/31/2012 2:20:07 PM PDT by chris37 (Heartless.)
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To: GrandJediMasterYoda

Martin’s picture is on the cover of a weekly mag - Time/Newsweek - one of those. A cute little twelve year old - what a travesty!


39 posted on 03/31/2012 2:22:54 PM PDT by Churchillspirit
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To: Cboldt

Hey, Juan:

Where is your disertation about the Kansas City kid —white—who was set upon by black kids, had gasoline poured on him and then was set on fire???

No one seems to have the balls to bring this up on national media.

Shame on you for your so obvious bias.


40 posted on 03/31/2012 2:27:06 PM PDT by ridesthemiles
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To: GrandJediMasterYoda
But what about all the other young black murder victims? Nationally, nearly half of all murder victims are black. And the overwhelming majority of those black people are killed by other black people. Where is the march for them?

Where is the march against the drug dealers who prey on young black people? Where is the march against bad schools, with their 50% dropout rate for black teenaged boys? Those failed schools are certainly guilty of creating the shameful 40% unemployment rate for black teens.

How about marching against the cable television shows constantly offering minstrel-show images of black youth as rappers and comedians who don't value education, dismiss the importance of marriage, and celebrate killing people, drug money and jailhouse fashion—the pants falling down because the jail guard has taken away the belt, the shoes untied because the warden removed the shoe laces, and accessories such as the drug dealer's pit bull.

Juan Williams is one of the responsible grown-ups in the black community. It's men like him that will pull this mess back from the brink - if it can be done. Hats off to him - nice that someone 'gets it'.

41 posted on 03/31/2012 2:34:56 PM PDT by GOPJ (Democrat-Media Complex - buried stories and distorted facts... freeper 'andrew' Breitbart)
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To: GrandJediMasterYoda

Shame on you, Mr. Williams.

How dare you suggest that not only “whites” are killing blacks?


42 posted on 03/31/2012 2:35:23 PM PDT by the OlLine Rebel (Common sense is an uncommon virtue./Technological progress cannot be legislated.)
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To: GrandJediMasterYoda

Except minstrel shows are alot nicer and more entertaining.


43 posted on 03/31/2012 2:37:49 PM PDT by the OlLine Rebel (Common sense is an uncommon virtue./Technological progress cannot be legislated.)
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To: GrandJediMasterYoda

There is a news story on youtube where they interview someone only giving his name as “John”. He was on the ground near the fight, and the guy on the bottom, wearing a red jacket or sweater (Zimmerman) was crying out for help. I’m thinking he might have been close enough where John said “he looked at me and asked for help” but I’m not sure. John told them to “Stop it”, and said he was going into his nearby unit to call 911. He calls 911 and tells them he heard a shot, and looked down from his 2nd story window and the guy that was on top is now on the ground “I’m pretty sure he’s dead”.


44 posted on 03/31/2012 2:53:41 PM PDT by 21twelve
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To: Sherman Logan

“All the hippies were yakking about how unfair it was for them to be judged based on their hairstyle and attire.”

“Who are they to judge us..
simply ‘cuz our hair is long?”

Hippies. I despise them. Funny this is actually from a black guy, a rare kind of hippie.

Your post is spot-on.


45 posted on 03/31/2012 3:03:27 PM PDT by the OlLine Rebel (Common sense is an uncommon virtue./Technological progress cannot be legislated.)
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To: GrandJediMasterYoda

Not a tragedy! This 17 year No-Limit-Nigga thug was a criminal, kicked out of school, had vandalized school property, was in possession of jewelry he had stolen, he had advocated the raping of women, had assaulted a school employee, and was, in general, a POS! Exactly WHAT contribution to society was this POS ever going to make? NOTHING. Zimmerman simply took out the trash.
Society is now better off with this little thug dead. Because somewhere down the line he was going to burglarize someone’s home, rape someone’s daughter, shoot some innocent person. This isn’t a tragedy! It’s a time for celebration.


46 posted on 03/31/2012 4:21:55 PM PDT by Doc Savage ("I've shot people I like a lot more,...for a lot less!" Raylan Givins)
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