Posted on 03/31/2012 4:44:41 PM PDT by Krankor
As the Trayvon Martin controversy splinters into a debate about self-defense, a central question remains: Who was heard crying for help on a 911 call in the moments before the teen was shot?
A leading expert in the field of forensic voice identification sought to answer that question by analyzing the recordings for the Orlando Sentinel.
His result: It was not George Zimmerman who called for help.
(Excerpt) Read more at chicagotribune.com ...
Unless the shooter is a Fairfax County Police Officer, right?
I haven't seen the Fairfax prosecutor's office bring charges against the several police officers who shot unarmed citizens.
Your analysis is, therefore, peculiar.
So it matters not that Trayvon Martin was using potentially lethal force against Zimmerman? Would you prosecute someone for attempted murder for repeatedly bashing another person's head against the sidewalk?
You are also making an assumption, absent any kind of evidence, that Trayvon Martin had some kind of right to be attacking Zimmerman. Please show where it is illegal for a person to follow and report someone they deem to be suspicious. Also, please indicate any evidence you have that Zimmerman may have been brandishing his weapon or in any other way acting in a manner that would have provided legal justification for Martin to be assaulting him in self-defense.
BTW, as another FReeper pointed out to me, Florida's Stand Your Ground law is more than just eliminating the legal requirement that one has to try to retreat before resorting legally to lethal force. It also provides safeguards against prosecution for using force. So you might want to bone up on current Florida law before you so casually decree that Zimmerman should be prosecuted.
Has anyone else noticed the complete absence of the word “allegedly”, in all of the coverage of this story?
Change agent writer fomenting revolt.
There are virtually no eyewitnesses in this case. I’ve read about more eyewitnesses than they have ppl in FL.
“.........because Zimmerman followed Treyvon after being told not to puts him in a position that he will probably be unable to avail himself of standard self-defense......”
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Just the facts, Ma’am! He was not told not to follow Martin. What was said, when he acknowledged that he was following Martin, was “We don’t need you to do that”.
There is a difference in meaning, no?
For a former prosecutor, he sure does have a rather poor grasp of the facts of the case, and has difficulty distinguishing his opinions from evidence.
The law is radically different when it comes to the state using deadly force. In FL, a preliminary finding of claimed justified use of deadly force does NOT immunize a state actor, but it does immunize a private actor.
A prosecutor in FL who brings a case w/o probable cause (and the prosecutor posting here has his facts all screwed up - who knows what decision he'd reach if he had accurate facts) is at risk of being found personally liable.
It’s the people willfully spreading false information that really get me. They’ll say something blatantly false on one thread, be shown the error of what they said, and move on to another thread to repeat the same thing. That is not a search for truth or debating in good faith.
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Adult males askert of a 17 year old boy. lol Some adult males around here need to grow a pair.
Yeah. Once in awhile I feel energetic enough to ridicule them. Most readers figure out, quick enough, who the "incredible" posters are. And, FWIW, the identities shift around on an issue by issue basis. Somebody who is sane in, e.g. a Schiavo discussion, is irrational in a different one.
-- That is not a search for truth or debating in good faith. --
I read pretty fast, and just skip over what they post. Saves time and heartburn. Take care of yourself, and trust others to be capable of doing the same.
When I was 17 I was fully physically capable of beating someone to death. You’re an idiot.
It is also disturbing to me that you, as a prosecutor, profess to support charging people with felonies in the absence of any analytical decision on your part that they have committed a crime.
How many defense attorneys have, in the face of your charges, told their clients "look man, this could go either way. If you plead guilty they're offering five years of probation with no jail. If this goes to trial and you're found guilty, you;re looking at ten years". How many defendants took those pleas? How many of those defendants pleaded guilty to a crime for which your position was "is he guilty? Beats me."
Perhaps this is the "Commonwealth" doctrine, since Virginia, as a Commonwealth tends to hold its citizens to a higher standard. I remind you that Florida is no such tyranny. Ironic, the Virginia motto: 'Sic Semper Tyrannis.'
Floriduh quotes a communist, no-sponsor radio show, and Alice quotes a site that is run by Keith Olbermann (CEO)
see post 391. Any quotes from Van Jones, you two?
Bahahaha I was just going back through the thread to see who it was that was citing globalgrind as a source.
I couldn’t care less what the NAALCP thinks one way or another. I couldn’t care less what you think either. I just think other FReepers should know you can’t be trusted.
By the same token you get a sense of who the true investigative type posters here are by reading posts. I look forward to reading more of your stuff. Thanks for keeping on top of this.
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