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Americans Are Worrying About the Constitution Again ^ | April 2, 2012 | Michael Barone

Posted on 04/02/2012 3:59:13 AM PDT by Kaslin

"I don't worry about the Constitution," said Rep. Phil Hare, Democrat of Illinois, at a town hall meeting where voters questioned his support of the legislation that became Obamacare. You can find the clip on Youtube, where it has 462,084 hits.

That was before the 2010 election, in which Hare, running for a third term in a district designed by Democrats to elect a Democrat, was defeated 53 to 43 percent by Bobby Schilling, proprietor of a pizza parlor in East Moline.

A lot of politicians are worrying about the Constitution these days. Liberal commentators were shocked this past week when in three days of oral argument in the lawsuits challenging Obamacare, five Supreme Court justices -- a majority -- asked questions strongly suggesting they think the legislation is unconstitutional.

And so the Constitution -- and the limits it places on Congress' powers -- is once again part of our politics. And will continue to be, whichever way the Court rules.

For 70 years, since the court in 1942 said the government could limit the amount of wheat farmer Roscoe Filburn could grow on his own land to feed his own animals, it has been generally assumed that the federal government's power to regulate the economy had no limits.

That assumption survived in liberal precincts even though the court in 1995 overturned a law banning guns in schools and in 2000 ruled unconstitutional parts of the Violence Against Women Act.

But the arguments, developed by Georgetown Law professor Randy Barnett and others, that it is beyond the powers conferred by the Constitution for Congress to mandate the purchase of a commercial product -- health insurance in Obamacare -- were certainly taken seriously by a majority of Supreme Court justices last week.

And the government's lawyers were unable to answer the questions of both liberal and conservative justices: If Congress can do this, what can't it do?

That question is likely to linger even if the court upholds Obamacare.

For the justices are not the only federal officials who take an oath to uphold the Constitution. So do the president and vice president, Cabinet members and other appointees, and every member of Congress. Phil Hare may not have been worried about the Constitution, but his constituents evidently thought he should be.

That means that every federal official has an obligation to act in line with the Constitution as he or she understands it. And that doesn't necessarily mean obeying Supreme Court decisions.

Many constitutional issues never come before the Supreme Court, which only rules on lawsuits. The Justice Department's Office of Legal Counsel issues rulings based on the Constitution, which are generally regarded as binding precedents by administrations of different parties, even though cases never go to court.

Presidents of different parties regularly issue signing statements, saying that they will not carry out provisions of laws they sign that they regard as unconstitutional. Barack Obama decried signing statements when he was campaigning, but as president he has issued them himself.

Members of Congress may reasonably regard themselves as bound to vote against measures they conscientiously believe unconstitutional. Barry Goldwater did this when he voted against the Civil Rights Act of 1964, even though he had integrated his own business many years before, on constitutional grounds.

Goldwater's constitutional argument, predictably, wasn't accepted by the Supreme Court. And his vote gave the Republican Party an unfair reputation for being anti-civil rights. But I think he was entitled to think his oath required him to vote that way.

Clearly the two parties are divided on the constitutionality of the Obamacare mandate. Polls have shown large majorities of voters think the provision is unconstitutional, though one can wonder whether many have given the matter much thought.

But they're certainly giving it more thought after this week and will likely give it more when the decision comes down.

Voters can reasonably ask candidates for Congress their views on this and other constitutional issues and call on them to vote against measures they consider beyond Congress' constitutional powers.

If the Court overturns Obamacare, Obama may be tempted to attack the court. He should beware. In 1937, Franklin Roosevelt, a few months after landslide re-election, proposed to pack the Supreme Court with new appointees.

Gallup polls showed majorities opposed, and in the next election, proponents of FDR's New Deal lost their congressional majorities. Lesson: Most American voters worry about the Constitution.

TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; Editorial; Government
KEYWORDS: 1942; 1964; philhare
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To: ThunderSleeps

I agree with you completely.

Oh, Obama and his liberal fascist will be stopped.Whether by the ballot box or otherwise. It may cost the people more than they are NOW willing to give, but when their freedoms are so clearly lost, somehow the nation will rise, and it will not be pretty, it will be messy, but we will indeed rid ourselves of them.

Romney is an Obama enabler. He doesn’t seem to know that Obama is not a democrat, Obama is a nationalsit socialist, ie. fasist radical whose days in power are numbered. We need someone who has the hutzpa to put it to Obama, expose him, and take him to the cleaners. Romney is not that man.

Someone like Alan West could do it, or Sarah Palin. The GOP establishment has failed America yet again, in its time of direst need.

Good Read:

41 posted on 04/02/2012 6:46:27 PM PDT by Candor7 (Obama fascist info....
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42 posted on 04/02/2012 6:49:31 PM PDT by narses
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To: joe fonebone
By definition, Amendments to the Constitution are constitutional. They are intentionally difficult to ratify and rarely make it through the process. They are not the problem, even if you disagree with them.

The problem is the judicial activism that, in so many cases, imagined up invisible text in the Constitution. When the document failed to provide the rights the government sought for itself, and it was impossible or arduous to try to change the document by the manner prescribed, they just pretended to see the text where it was missing.

43 posted on 04/04/2012 1:16:45 PM PDT by dead (I've got my eye out for Mullah Omar.)
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To: joe fonebone
The constitution, applied as written, would not only piss off liberals, but would piss off a majority of the so called conservatives. Sacred cows would be gored.


The only way back is to enforce original intent. The first step would be to repeal the 17th amendment.


44 posted on 04/04/2012 1:23:01 PM PDT by Ken H (Austerity is the irresistible force. Entitlements are the immovable object.)
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To: allmendream
I remember my disappointment at President GHW Bush when he signed “campaign finance reform” saying he didn’t think it was Constitutional - but that was for the SCOTUS to decide.

As do I. Frankly, I was ready to support his impeachment for that, not for the reasons the insane leftists had, but because he knowingly signed legislation he thought was unconstitutional.

45 posted on 04/04/2012 3:01:29 PM PDT by Marathoner (2 goals this year: (1) S##tcan Obamacare; (2) S##tcan Obama)
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To: Marathoner
Not a high crime or misdemeanor I am afraid.

Impeachment should not be for disagreements over policy or what is Constitutional or the proper rationale of a President when determining if he should sign legislation.

If he opined that he thought it was Constitutional then it wouldn't have been an impeachable offense? How about if he had just kept his mouth shut on the Constitutionality?

That being said I would hesitate to vote for any candidate who thought he should just go ahead and sign legislation that in HIS OPINION exceeds the powers given under the Constitution - because it is the role of the SCOTUS to make that determination.

WRONG - (but not an impeachable offense) - the Constitutionality of a law should be considered FIRST, LAST, and ALWAYS by EVERYONE involved.

46 posted on 04/04/2012 3:07:17 PM PDT by allmendream (Tea Party did not send GOP to DC to negotiate the terms of our surrender to socialism)
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To: allmendream

I see your point. Yeah, impeachment is probably too strong in that case, but I was more upset with him over that than anything else he did during his time in office, as I considered that action a violation of his oath of office to defend the Constitution(of course the current occupant violates it continually).

47 posted on 04/04/2012 3:26:22 PM PDT by Marathoner (2 goals this year: (1) S##tcan Obamacare; (2) S##tcan Obama)
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To: Marathoner

I agree! You take an oath to protect and defend the Constitution - you have no business signing on to legislation you think violates the Constitution.

Deference to the SCOTUS as the FINAL determiner of Constitutionality doesn’t mean that the issue shouldn’t be addressed by Congress when it drafts and votes on the legislation - and by the President when he decides to sign it or not.

I am all for deference to the SCOTUS - but that doesn’t mean being ‘agnostic’ as to the Constitutionality of legislation while it is being passed.

48 posted on 04/04/2012 3:39:39 PM PDT by allmendream (Tea Party did not send GOP to DC to negotiate the terms of our surrender to socialism)
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To: joe fonebone

Don’t think I’m a libertarian; I went through that phase, before I got married, where Ayn Rand was queen and I would be selfish, etc. Then I got married and understood just how crazy Rand was...

Nowadays, just like my time allocation, my political goals are prioritized. I’d LIKE to inflict my values on others, but I’d settle for taking away the tools that allow other to inflict their values on me. That way I have still have an option to set an example or to vote with my feet and find a community that I can enjoy (which is where I am...).

49 posted on 04/09/2012 5:23:50 AM PDT by Little Ray (FOR the best Conservative in the Primary; AGAINST Obama in the General.)
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To: Little Ray

to say all libertarians are nut jobs is to say all repulicans are conservatives. You have capital L libertarians (nut jobs) and small l libertarians (strict constituionalist) I keep harping libertarian because it is the closest thing to strict constitutionalism out there, but the nut job wing needs to be ignored..... hate to break it to you, but you are a small l libertarian.... welcome back.

50 posted on 04/09/2012 6:45:17 AM PDT by joe fonebone (Project Gunwalker, this will make watergate look like the warm up band......)
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