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Effort underway to turn Texas into winner-take-all state [could affect Romney]
http://dailycaller.com ^ | 4/6/2012 | Caroline May

Posted on 04/07/2012 10:27:04 AM PDT by publius321

Edited on 04/07/2012 11:01:53 AM PDT by Admin Moderator. [history]

An effort to shake up the GOP primary race is underway in the Lone Star State. The outcome could set the course for a brokered convention by keeping front-runner Mitt Romney from securing enough delegates to win the presidential nomination outright.

David Bellow, a member of the State Republican Executive Committee, told The Daily Caller that he believes there is enough support among committee members to call an emergency SREC meeting to vote on changing the state’s delegate allocation from a proportional to winner-take-all system.


TOPICS: Breaking News; Government; Politics/Elections; US: Texas
KEYWORDS: 2012election; conventioned; election2012; kenyanbornmuzzie; mittromney; newtgingrich; primary; rickperry; ricksantorum; romney; texas
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1 posted on 04/07/2012 10:27:16 AM PDT by publius321
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To: publius321
We can use the Alinskyites own tactics against them and win, or we can hold ourselves to our own book of rules as Alinskyites demand and lose.

I say it's time to beat them at their own game.

2 posted on 04/07/2012 10:31:09 AM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum (Over half of U.S. murders are of black people, and 90% of them are committed by other black people.)
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A couple of other threads on the topic if anyone is interested in the contents thereon.

Effort underway to turn Texas into winner-take-all state

Texas GOP to call an Emergency SREC Meeting to go back to Winner Take All. Texas has 155 Delegates


3 posted on 04/07/2012 10:35:11 AM PDT by deport (..............God Bless Texas............)
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To: publius321
"The [my] only connection [to the Republican Party]is I'm registered as a Republican"
--Mitt RRRRRomney
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kNbXdOCQQMs
 

GO NEWT!


4 posted on 04/07/2012 10:36:31 AM PDT by LomanBill (Animals! The DemocRats blew up the windmill with an Acorn!)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

The problem is of course, that all the Mexicans, both legal and illegal will vote dim. We have a huge Mexican population in this state.

Time will tell, of course.


5 posted on 04/07/2012 10:37:12 AM PDT by basil (It's time to rid the country of "gun free zones" aka "Killing Fields")
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To: publius321; All
Dudn't matter.

Santorum can't beat Romeny in Texas either.

The anti-Santorum contingent of the GOP is larger than the anti-Romney contingent.

How said the above is as commentary on the race.

6 posted on 04/07/2012 10:38:10 AM PDT by Mariner (War Criminal #18)
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To: publius321

Sadly its never going to happen, as the RNC has to approve the change.


7 posted on 04/07/2012 10:39:11 AM PDT by AzSteven ("War is less costly than servitude, the choice is always between Verdun and Dachau." Jean Dutourd)
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To: LomanBill

Perfect graphic.


8 posted on 04/07/2012 10:39:58 AM PDT by txhurl (Thank you, Andrew Breitbart. In your untimely passing, you have exposed these people one last time.)
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To: publius321

Considering that Florida went winner-take-all against GOP rules and the RNC did nothing to correct the numbers, I say, “Go for It Texas!”


9 posted on 04/07/2012 10:42:43 AM PDT by Carry_Okie (GunWalker: Arming "a civilian national security force that's just as powerful, just as well funded")
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To: publius321

good!!!!!!!!!!!

ANYONE BUT ROMNEY

I would love to see Gingrich/Santorum, which is more practical than Santorum/Gingrich (for 16 years of conservatism)


10 posted on 04/07/2012 10:47:22 AM PDT by Mr. K (If Romney wins the primary, I am writing-in PALIN)
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To: Carry_Okie

Considering that Florida went winner-take-all against GOP rules and the RNC did nothing to correct the numbers, I say, “Go for It Texas!”

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Fair point, but the RNC operates pretty much as the DNC does at this endgame stage. The GOP nomenklatura will impose Bishop Willard on the two thirds of the base who distrust or dislike or detest him. Mark my words, they will NOT allow Texas what they allowed Florida.


11 posted on 04/07/2012 10:51:12 AM PDT by Psalm 144 (I'm not willing to light my hair on fire to support Willard. He is what he is.)
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To: publius321

We need to pray each and every day for good leaders in the WH and Congress!


12 posted on 04/07/2012 10:51:12 AM PDT by Sun (Pray that God sends us good leaders. Please say a prayer now.)
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To: Psalm 144

I have faith in the Texans


13 posted on 04/07/2012 10:52:56 AM PDT by Rome2000 (Rick Santorum voted against Right toWork)
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To: Rome2000

“I have faith in the Texans”

So do I. The cheeseweasel, sweaty palmed frauds in the Beltway RNC are another matter entirely.


14 posted on 04/07/2012 10:55:48 AM PDT by Psalm 144 (I'm not willing to light my hair on fire to support Willard. He is what he is.)
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To: AzSteven

Sadly its never going to happen, as the RNC has to approve the change.


Probably won’t happen but those wanting the allocation method changed to WTA are lobbying and solicitating the members of the SREC for support. They most likely won’t call an emergency meeting unless they have the numbers to pass the WTA resolution.

Remember the FL WTA issue is still out there even after the 50% penalty. So far the RNC hasn’t done anything about it but a floor issue maybe raised at the National Convention. We’ll see.


15 posted on 04/07/2012 11:00:13 AM PDT by deport (..............God Bless Texas............)
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To: Mariner

You have no clue the disdain we Texans have for a “carpetbagging” SOB like Romney.


16 posted on 04/07/2012 11:00:50 AM PDT by TexasSecede79366
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

I agree. And it is funny to hear the Romulan CULT whining and crying about the possibility.

However, Texas has every right to change the rules. The keyy difference between Texas doing this and what the typical FRAUD pulled by Romney and the GOP establishment is thT THEY CHANGE THE RULES -AFTER- THE ELECTION IS HELD. There is NOTING underhanded about changing to “Winner take all” before the election is held.

I am so sick and disgusted with these intellectually indolent sheep who blithely follow this Elmer Gantry, “Wheels for Welfare”, socialist healthcare promulgating charlatan of a candidate.


17 posted on 04/07/2012 11:02:10 AM PDT by publius321
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To: Carry_Okie
Considering that Florida went winner-take-all against GOP rules and the RNC did nothing to correct the numbers

Florida already lost 50% of RNC delegates for moving up the date of the primary.

18 posted on 04/07/2012 11:15:28 AM PDT by NautiNurse
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

“We can use the Alinskyites own tactics against them and win, or we can hold ourselves to our own book of rules as Alinskyites demand and lose.”

C’mon, since when is changing the rules in the middle of the game “Alinsky Tactics”?

It’s known as good lawyerin’.


19 posted on 04/07/2012 11:17:23 AM PDT by ngat
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To: publius321

“I am so sick and disgusted with these intellectually indolent sheep who blithely follow this Elmer Gantry, “Wheels for Welfare”, socialist healthcare promulgating charlatan of a candidate.”

It marks a permanent parting of ways, doesn’t it? It is surprising the frauds who are pushing this cannot see the consequences. 22 years of conservative obedience to voodoo Republicans is about to end.


20 posted on 04/07/2012 11:20:51 AM PDT by Psalm 144 ("I'm not willing to light my hair on fire to try and get support. I am who I am.”- Willard M. Romne)
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To: TexasSecede79366
"You have no clue the disdain we Texans have for a “carpetbagging” SOB like Romney."

You're right, but I suspect it approaches the disdain you have for stupid people that would like to tell you what's right and wrong. A classic, by the book, Yankee.

21 posted on 04/07/2012 11:24:24 AM PDT by Mariner (War Criminal #18)
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To: Mariner

Agreed. I think its the same on FR as well. The hate for “Reverend Rick” is so strong that many would rather have Romney than see Santorum win.


22 posted on 04/07/2012 11:59:03 AM PDT by icwhatudo (Tax codes and spending don't get 14 year olds pregnant and on welfare. Morality Matters.)
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To: publius321

Change the rules in the middle of the game. Santorum is desperate. And he’s the candidate the Dems want to run against, you can bank on it.


23 posted on 04/07/2012 12:09:08 PM PDT by Signalman
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To: AzSteven

“Sadly its never going to happen, as the RNC has to approve the change.”

What rule change? The deal was if had your Primary before April 1, then you could chose winner take all, but with half of the delegates (as Florida did), or you could chose proportional (with all delegates). If after April 1, then you could have winner takes all, and all delegates.

Now the RNC could change that to block Texas - but Texas is simply following the existing rules.


24 posted on 04/07/2012 12:24:34 PM PDT by BobL
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To: Signalman

“Change the rules in the middle of the game. Santorum is desperate. And he’s the candidate the Dems want to run against, you can bank on it.”

Reagan was the Republican that the Dems dreamed of running against in 1980 and that didn’t work out too well for them. The Dems may “claim” they want to run against Santorum, but, in fact, he scares the hell out of them, because they know he can fire up the base.

The best candidate, from a Dem standpoint, is ALWAYS the one that insults the Republican base. McCain was a dream candidate for them, and Romney will be the same...unless we Texans put an end to him.


25 posted on 04/07/2012 12:26:57 PM PDT by BobL
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To: Mariner

“Santorum can’t beat Romeny in Texas either. “

Don’t bet on that. The only reason romney has any support now is that people presume he’s already got it in the bag, and they just want it to end. If Republicans in Texas find out that their vote (for once) matters, it may not bode well, at all, for Romney.


26 posted on 04/07/2012 12:28:36 PM PDT by BobL
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To: publius321
I heard that Romney already had it in the bag.

Since this is so, what good would it do to change the way of doing things now?

I mean, he has already won, right?

I heard it on MSNBC in the morning.

27 posted on 04/07/2012 12:46:31 PM PDT by EGPWS (Trust in God, question everyone else)
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To: publius321

I have no fondness of any of the 4 candidates left, really. They’re all incredibly flawed. But I still hope Santorum wins a WTA Texas since it’ll make it that much easier to have a brokered convention to get a REAL candidate.


28 posted on 04/07/2012 12:51:34 PM PDT by PAConservative1
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To: TexasSecede79366

You have no clue the disdain we Texans have for a “carpetbagging” SOB like Romney.


Dittos and bump that comment!!


29 posted on 04/07/2012 1:19:22 PM PDT by boxlunch
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To: BobL

“The best candidate, from a Dem standpoint, is ALWAYS the one that insults the Republican base. McCain was a dream candidate for them, and Romney will be the same...unless we Texans put an end to him.”

Give the tax hiking, global warming, abortion peddling, gun grabbing, decaff drinking carpetbagger a big political San Jacinto welcome.


30 posted on 04/07/2012 2:14:08 PM PDT by Psalm 144 ("I'm not willing to light my hair on fire to try and get support. I am who I am.”- Willard M Romney)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

Governor Perry will do all he can on behalf of conservatism-—AND to thwart Romney.

Get ‘im, hoss! ;)


31 posted on 04/07/2012 2:26:16 PM PDT by CatherineofAragon (I can haz Romney's defeat?)
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To: TexasSecede79366
"You have no clue the disdain we Texans have for a “carpetbagging” SOB like Romney."

We born-and-bred Virginians feel exactly the same!

32 posted on 04/07/2012 2:31:30 PM PDT by CatherineofAragon (I can haz Romney's defeat?)
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To: Signalman

“Change the rules in the middle of the game. Santorum is desperate. And he’s the candidate the Dems want to run against, you can bank on it.”

Oh, I see they are letting the RINO’s join up again. That is the biggest load of bull crap talking point to which we have been treated this entire campaign.

Those who subject the public to that nonsense are either ignorant or liars, either way it is to what should eb their eternal chagrin.

The FACT is that Axelrod has been on record for the past two years that they WANT ROMNEY.

Jimmy Freaking Carter wants Romney. http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2011/09/15/jimmy_carter_likes_mitt_romney_for_gop_nomination.html#.T3YFAWOEM3M.facebook

It takes a fool to believe that the Democrat LEADERSHIP want anyone other than the singular former Republican Governor out of all 50 states that inoculates Obama on every key issue we have to indict the Saboteur @ 1600 before the American people.

I expect this crap to be spread @ Fox News & WSJ but even the lowest grade of human intelligence ought not be subject to such insulting basic sense defying tripe.

That notion is certainly Zot worthy.


33 posted on 04/07/2012 3:05:39 PM PDT by publius321
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To: publius321; All

“Change the rules in the middle of the game. Santorum is desperate. And he’s the candidate the Dems want to run against, you can bank on it.”

Oh, I see they are letting the RINO’s join up again. That is the biggest load of bull crap talking point to which we have been treated this entire campaign.

Those who subject the public to that nonsense are either ignorant or liars, either way it is to what should eb their eternal chagrin.

The FACT is that Axelrod has been on record for the past two years that they WANT ROMNEY.

Jimmy Freaking Carter wants Romney. http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2011/09/15/jimmy_carter_likes_mitt_romney_for_gop_nomination.html#.T3YFAWOEM3M.facebook

It takes a fool to believe that the Democrat LEADERSHIP want anyone other than the singular former Republican Governor out of all 50 states that inoculates Obama on every key issue we have to indict the Saboteur @ 1600 before the American people.

I expect this crap to be spread @ Fox News & WSJ but even the lowest grade of human intelligence ought not be subject to such insulting basic sense defying tripe.

That notion is certainly Zot worthy.


34 posted on 04/07/2012 3:10:37 PM PDT by publius321
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To: BobL

Apparently this fellow thinks TX will be Mitt’s first win in the South.

Ain’t gonna happen.


35 posted on 04/07/2012 4:07:42 PM PDT by JCBreckenridge
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To: JCBreckenridge

Need proportional to STARVE ROMNEY!!!!

STARVE THE LIBERAL BEAST ROMNEY!!!!


36 posted on 04/07/2012 5:13:27 PM PDT by GraceG
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To: Mr. K; All; Antoninus; Lazlo in PA; napscoordinator; writer33; AmericanInTokyo; cripplecreek; ...
10 posted on Sat Apr 07 2012 12:47:22 GMT-0500 (Central Daylight Time) by Mr. K: “good!!!!!!!!!!! ANYONE BUT ROMNEY I would love to see Gingrich/Santorum, which is more practical than Santorum/Gingrich (for 16 years of conservatism)”

At this point I no longer care very much which of the two men is at the top of the ticket, and I understate the rationale for 16 rather than eight years — though because of the rule that no candidate can be put into nomination unless they've won a plurality in at least five states, anyone supporting a Gingrich-Santorum ticket rather than a Santorum-Gingrich ticket has to come up with a viable plan to have Gingrich win at least three more states beyond South Carolina and Georgia.

There have been numerous news articles in the last week about negotiations between the Gingrich and Santorum campaigns — plus, unfortunately, stories about a secret meeting between the Gingrich and Romney campaign. I hope what happened was not Gingrich approaching Romney, but rather Romney approaching Gingrich, Gingrich meeting with him and saying “no deal,” and then Gingrich being stuck with having to admit to having held a meeting when word leaked.

Gingrich has a problem — his campaign not only has run out of money but also is in debt. Santorum’s supporters are still giving money though he's got nowhere near as much money as Romney, and unlike Romney, Santorum doesn't have enough money in his personal bank accounts to bail out Gingrich's campaign.

I am perfectly willing to support a ticket that includes Gingrich. The Gingrich and Santorum campaigns need to get together — right now — and find a way to solve this mess before Romney ends up being the nominee.

I think Rick Perry and Herman Cain may be able to play a significant role in this. Both backed Gingrich early on. In Perry's case, he's the governor of a key state where a rule change could radically affect the campaign.

It's a long shot, but one potential game changer is a unified decision by Santorum, Gingrich, Perry, Cain, and possibly Michele Bachman to say, “No Romney, no way,” and support a single candidate with pre-declared statements that other people on that group will be made vice president and be given certain cabinet posts.

A decision by five prominent Republican candidates for president to buck the party establishment and say “No” to Romney will get huge media attention and has a realistic shot of changing things in several of the upcoming states, not just Texas.

37 posted on 04/07/2012 5:17:19 PM PDT by darrellmaurina
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To: darrellmaurina
Money is the problem.

They have UNLIMITED tv radio print $$$$.

How do you compete with that? By selecting the guy with the most money?

They have unlimited. 24/7 international propaganda support. Mitt doesn't have a prayer!


We need articulate. Concise Conservatism! Cause $$$ aint gonna save US!

38 posted on 04/07/2012 6:43:18 PM PDT by rawcatslyentist ("Behold, I am against you, O arrogant one," Jeremiah 50:31)
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To: publius321

The Communist Takeover Of America - 45 Declared Goals

15. Capture one or both of the political parties in the United States. {check}


39 posted on 04/07/2012 6:52:11 PM PDT by meadsjn (Sarah 2012, or sooner)
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To: LomanBill
GO NEWT!

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40 posted on 04/07/2012 7:00:19 PM PDT by lonevoice (Klepto Baracka Marxo, impeach we much.)
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To: Mariner

>>Santorum can’t beat Romeny in Texas either.<<

It’s obvious you don’t live in Texas.


41 posted on 04/07/2012 7:16:10 PM PDT by servantboy777
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To: Rome2000
>>I have faith in the Texans<<

You've just become an honorary Texan.

Trust me, Texans are mad as hell at what has happened during the last few election cycles.

Our primary came under attack this year and had our P-election pushed out to the end of May/first of June due to frivolous lawsuits by the liberals.

Romney won't win Texas.

42 posted on 04/07/2012 7:23:24 PM PDT by servantboy777
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To: publius321; Clemenza; rmlew; SwinneySwitch

One of the issues is whether the Justice Department will allow this. Texas has to pre-clear all changes in election rules with the Justice department under the Voting Rights Act of 1965 and its extensions. This will be interesting; my SREC Committeeman is black, and my SREC Committeewoman is Hispanic. Do you really think the Justice Department really cares what their opinions are?


43 posted on 04/07/2012 7:34:05 PM PDT by Paleo Conservative
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To: Carry_Okie

And Florida lost half their delegates because they moved their primary up. Florida was always a winner take all state, the states just sent their numbers to the RNC, Florida awarded 50 delegates to Romney. Florida originally had 99 delegates.


44 posted on 04/07/2012 7:57:43 PM PDT by Utah Girl (John 15:12, Matthew 5:44)
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To: Paleo Conservative; AmericanInTokyo; Lazlo in PA; Antoninus; cripplecreek; writer33; ...
43 posted on Sat Apr 07 2012 21:34:05 GMT-0500 (Central Daylight Time) by Paleo Conservative: “One of the issues is whether the Justice Department will allow this. Texas has to pre-clear all changes in election rules with the Justice department under the Voting Rights Act of 1965 and its extensions. This will be interesting; my SREC Committeeman is black, and my SREC Committeewoman is Hispanic. Do you really think the Justice Department really cares what their opinions are?”

I am not an expert on the Voting Rights Act and how it works today in actual practice, as opposed to theory. It simply hasn't been an issue I've had to deal with.

I picked up from the Texas Tribune article when posted originally that the federal DOJ may have to clear changes in voting rules. Does this apply only to state law or also to political party delegate selection processes? In other words, does Barack Obama’s attorney general get a veto right over decisions of the Texas Republican Party on how their presidential preferences will be expressed?

If it does, a decision by Herman Cain to publicly attack Mitt Romney and declare that he supports a change in the Texas rules could put President Obama and AG Holder into a very difficult position if they decide to interfere.

I've said before that something very big is going to be necessary to break Mitt Romney's momentum at this late date. It may already be impossible. But some sort of alliance between Gingrich and Romney, plus the support of Cain, Perry and Bachmann, could make very clear that basically the entire Republican presidential field opposes Mitt Romney despite the differences they all have with each other. That could send a very, very powerful message that the base is revolting against Mitt Romney, and Texas could be the perfect state to make that stand against the Republican elites.

45 posted on 04/07/2012 8:48:12 PM PDT by darrellmaurina
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To: darrellmaurina

I haven’t been aware of this but it sure looks interesting...will read the rest of the thread to see what’s happening....hummm-mmmm..very interesting indeed.

Thanks for the ping darrell...very much.

cw


46 posted on 04/07/2012 9:15:57 PM PDT by caww
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To: darrellmaurina
I picked up from the Texas Tribune article when posted originally that the federal DOJ may have to clear changes in voting rules. Does this apply only to state law or also to political party delegate selection processes? In other words, does Barack Obama’s attorney general get a veto right over decisions of the Texas Republican Party on how their presidential preferences will be expressed?

Apparently the Voting Rights Act of 1965 applies to all political processes. After a recent county Republican club meeting my SREC Committeeman was talking about the problems of coming up with new rules for conducting the county/senate district conventions. Normally they would be held after the primary and precinct conventions and open only to people who voted in the Republican primary. Due to the DOJ lawsuits against the state of Texas, the primary will be held after the county/senate district conventions. The SREC decided to cancel the precinct conventions and open up the county convention to anyone who would sign an oath stating that he or she is a Republican and would vote in the Republican primary in May. All these changes forced on the Texas Republican party due to the DOJ, had to be approved by the DOJ.

47 posted on 04/07/2012 9:18:42 PM PDT by Paleo Conservative
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To: Signalman; publius321
Change the rules in the middle of the game. Santorum is desperate. And he’s the candidate the Dems want to run against, you can bank on it.

The Department of Justice changed the rules in the middle of the game. They forced Texas to delay its primary from it's original date in March on Super Tuesday to the end of May. Since RNC rules state that states that hold their primaries on or after April 1 can have winner-take-all primaries, the Texas SREC is excercising that option.

48 posted on 04/07/2012 9:45:15 PM PDT by Paleo Conservative
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49 posted on 04/07/2012 9:48:37 PM PDT by musicman (Until I see the REAL Long Form Vault BC, he's just "PRES__ENT" Obama = Without "ID")
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To: caww; AmericanInTokyo; napscoordinator; cripplecreek; Lazlo in PA; Antoninus; writer33; Mariner; ...
Thanks, CAWW.

I believe Texas provides an opportunity — quite possibly the last one — to turn this campaign around. A decision by Rick Perry to use Texas as a battering ram to stop a Romney victory could easily be a game-changer, and if successful will affect several following states.

I think given the history of problems between Perry and the Bush family, Perry may have his own motives for doing something like that. The question is how the Bush wing of the Texas GOP will respond — my guess is they'll stay quiet if it's obvious they'll lose, but do everything they can behind the scenes to keep Texas as a proportional state up until the point they think they'll lose an actual vote, and then acquiesce quietly to the rule change and turn to trying to win Texas for Romney. But I'm no expert on Texas politics and others here can say much better than me what may happen.

Romney is a horrible candidate. Most conservative Republicans know that, whether they're social issues conservatives, national defense conservatives or even (in many cases) economic conservatives. Most elite Republicans know they need conservative Republicans as the foot soldiers to win elections, even if they don't like us very much.

The problem is that conservative Republicans have been systematically destroying each other, one by one, aided and abetted by Mitt Romney's money, and now we're going to be stuck with Mitt Romney as the last candidate left if we don't do something **RIGHT NOW** to stop him.

Gingrich's problem is he's deeply in debt and Romney can fix that for him. I'm not going to bash Gingrich if he believes he has no choice but to put his own financial house in order — I'm a business owner and I've made decisions I didn't like when I had no choice — but I sure hope he decides to work something out with the conservative insurgents rather than with Mitt Romney.

If he decides otherwise, however, I'm not going to hold it against him. Gingrich has a decades-long history of fighting for the conservative movement and deserves respect for that, especially his career in the House of Representatives where he did what virtually everyone thought was impossible, namely, taking the House to the point it had a Republican majority and becoming Speaker. There comes a time when people have to decide whether fighting political battles is worth bankrupting themselves, I can't make that decision for Gingrich, and it's his call what he does next.

50 posted on 04/07/2012 9:48:51 PM PDT by darrellmaurina
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