Posted on 04/11/2012 8:15:11 AM PDT by marktwain
What about an AR-15 modificed to .308?
I load 2 3/4 inch tactical buckshot except for the last round in my 12 ga. That's 3 1/2 inch magnum buckshot, and I am confident that I'll know it's my last round as soon as I pull the trigger. I don't worry about getting distracted and losing track of how many times I've pulled the trigger. I also don't worry that I'll empty a shotgun so many times that my shoulder is sore from those magnum shells. If I have to empty the weapon that many times, I've got bigger problems than a sore shoulder.
You could do that. I won’t because the AR-15 is a light rifle and the .308 has pretty stout recoil. Ammo is also going to take up a lot more room and be much heavier. Size and weight of 7.62 ammo was one of the reasons the Army went looking for a smaller assault rifle caliber in the first place. A study done decades ago by the Army concluded an 8 man squad with M16s and full combat load was as effective as an 11 man squad with M14s. Finally, the last gun on my home defense/SHTF arsenal is a Remington 700P sniper rifle in .308. At 2 to 3k for a decent one I have to wait a while for that one.
LOL, even a BB to the eyball will stop just about anybody.
I liked it. A good thing to show someone on the fence.
It’s a tedious process. You will have to go to your local police department, or the local state police if your town does not have a local polic force, and pick up a fire arms identification card application. They will instruct you on how to fill out the form. You will need two character witnesses who will be sent a form to fill out and mail back and you also will have to make an appointment with a third party contractor to be fingerprinted (this will cost you a little more than $60.00). The process can take one to three months depending on your police department.
If your intending to purchase a handgun you will need a permit which runs $2.00 each. They are good for three months after which they expire. You can only purchase one handgun in a thirty day period. You will be charged an additional $18.00 afterwards if you desire to obtain another handgun permit after your initial permit(s) have been acquired (again waiting the one to three months. Also you will have to supply the names of two character witnesses again.
The state of New Jersey has the most restrictive firearms regulations in the country. I have not tried but I understand it is very difficult to get a concealed carry permit.
I've heard "over-penetration" mentioned time after time, and you know what? In a real-life gunfight, the majority of the shots fired miss the target entirely-- so I consider that "over-penetration" is simply not a valid concern.
My main concern is that my weapon will be effective against an attacker. If I shoot, I will do so because it's a Life and Death situation. I must stop my assailant or I will die, so I want a weapon and ammo that makes big holes and leaves big exit wounds. The possibility that someone downrange may stop a stray bullet is fairly remote, but the chances of losing a fight due to poor penetration is a real possibility.
I'm keeping my .357 loaded with Hydrashoks and my 12-ga with #1 buckshot. Good for a minimum of 12" penetration in ballistic gelatin, effective when used as directed.
“I’ve heard “over-penetration” mentioned time after time, and you know what? In a real-life gunfight, the majority of the shots fired miss the target entirely— so I consider that “over-penetration” is simply not a valid concern.”
I’m not necessarily worried about over-penetration of the target threatening my life. I’m worried about the bullets that hit or miss the target which go through the remainder of the house causing damage to people. In some cases the would exit the house and endanger the neighbors.
If you aren’t concerned about whats behind your target then you aren’t a responsible gun owner.
“I’ve heard “over-penetration” mentioned time after time, and you know what? In a real-life gunfight, the majority of the shots fired miss the target entirely— so I consider that “over-penetration” is simply not a valid concern.”
I’m not necessarily worried about over-penetration of the target threatening my life. I’m worried about the bullets that hit or miss the target which go through the remainder of the house causing damage to people. In some cases the bullets would exit the house and endanger the neighbors.
If you aren’t concerned about whats behind your target then you aren’t a responsible gun owner.
I’m not just an owner, I’m an advocate. I don’t treat my interest in firearms as some dirty secret.
Nor will I allow ignorance, or outright fraud, to go unchallenged.
If you don’t know, I can point you in the right direction.
If you don’t like firearms, and just don’t care... Go on your way and the best of luck to you.
If you work actively against my Rights, I will come down upon you like the fist of an angry God. It is the least you deserve.
We're not talking about target shooting. I'll be concerned about it after the gunfight is over, if I survive.
23 years ago today my 16 year old son was brutally murdered with a 2 ft section of fence post, by a sociopath, who ambushed him on his way home from school..just to see what it felt like to kill. And consigned me to eternal pain in my heart. You never get over losing your child to a killer.
No one marched, no one protested, they just plea bargained 1st degree murder down to 2nd and 20 years, of which I fought for every one of the 14.5 years he served, longer than my Jeremy lived on this earth.
WHICH IS WHY I AM A GUN OWNER TOO.
Heaven Got Another Angel
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-hASQH9EfQA&feature=related
I’m sure your children and neighbors appreciate it.
God bless you, there’s nothing worse than losing a child and the ‘manner’ makes worse!
The only thing holding them back is the sure knowledge that whitey tends to be heavily armed.
An AR-15 can’t be modified to .308, the .308 cartridge is just too long. But someone has already thought of the solution and made the AR-10. The biggest problem with them is that they tend to be finicky and magazines are expensive at $60 each. For what it cost you for an AR-10 you can get a M1A with many mags or an FN FAL with a bunch of mags and a bunch of ammo.
You could get a shot out Mauser and build your own sniper rifle. A nice barrel, a decent trigger, custom stock, a decent scope, a few more tricks and your are set.
Some give the lame argument that the Garand only holds 8 rounds. With practice, you can be reloaded in under 3 seconds.
You could get a brand new Serbian Mauser made before WWII, from Mitchell’s Mausers for only $299.
I have the same rifle except it was slightly used. It is a perfectly good Mauser. The machining appears to be equal to some of the other better makers. The stocks are not as pretty as the German walnut ones but the wood is supposed to be very tough. Some even claim it is teak.
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