Posted on 04/12/2012 4:51:38 AM PDT by SJackson
Great article. Thanks SJackson.
And locally, there are the Mormonophobes mimicking the the Shia-Sunni theology conflict with strident voices
If you’d like to be on or off, please FR mail me.
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> And locally, there are the Mormonophobes mimicking the the
> Shia-Sunni theology conflict with strident voices
Are “Mormonophobes” bombing Mormon temples?
Are “Mormonophobes” beheading Mormons?
Are “Mormonophobes” ethnically cleansing neighborhoods of Mormons?
Are “Mormonophobes” calling for the genocide of Mormons?
No?
Then stop being a drama queen.
Mormonism is a cult, and we do not fight it with swords and bombs, but with the Truth of the Gospel of Jesus Christ and prayer for those trapped in the throes of the Joseph Smith cult.
You gloss over the fact that Joseph Smith was murdered.
“There are extremist Jews and Christians too, and since we don’t have a Muslim present, you should refrain from speaking negatively about Muslims.”
My response:
Satan is present and will represent them just fine. So, we will proceed to warn of their threat, as planned.
I guess 'cause they probably didn't have any Nazis around they couldn't speak negatively about the crematoriums either.
ML/NJ
> You gloss over the fact that Joseph Smith was murdered.
Yes, over 150 years ago. He was shot to death while trying to escape from a mob that broke into the jail in which he was being held for treason against the State of Illinois and for Polygamy, charges brought against him by former mormons.
Now.
Have any Mormons leaders been murdered by Christians or Jews recently?
Are any Christians or Jews you know calling for the murder of Mormons?
Any mormon temples being blown up or burned?
No?
Then stop being a drama queen.
No you don’t.
You fight it by pretending Romney is the Mormon Pope and will impose their will on America.
> You fight it by pretending Romney is the Mormon Pope and
> will impose their will on America.
Please show us all where I posted any such drivel.
I’m waiting....
Sjackson --> Unitarians are not Christians. they're marijuana-smoking la-di-dahs who worship liberalism.
Goody. Will we get the same intellectuals bending over backwards to justify even the most heinous acts? OK, folks. Start your chain saws and go a-huntin’!
Who says Romney is the real power-player here? (I guess this shows your Mormonism ignorance slip is showing)
The real power player in Mormonism is the one wielding MORE power than the Pope is to RC: Its "prophet."
Since you've introduced the Pope here as some sort of false parallel, please show us where the Pope has made similar spiritual-political imposing statements such as what you find from Lds leaders below...except for the first three statements, ALL of them were made by Lds leaders between the 1960s and 1980s...
| Lds Leader | Chronological 'Prophet' or Fundamental # (or Other Title) | Overlap Areas: Could the President of the U.S. become a 'puppet' to an Lds 'Prophet?' (The Lds Prophets -- in their own words) | |
| John Taylor | Lds 'Prophet' #3 | “The Almighty has established this kingdom with order and laws and every thing pertaining thereto…[so] that when the nations shall be convulsed, we may stand forth as saviours…and finally redeem a ruined world, not only in a religious but in a political point of view.” (Journal of Discourses, vol. 9, p. 342, April 13, 1862) | |
| Orson Hyde | President of the Lds Quorum of the 12 Apostles for 28 years (1847-1875) | “What the world calls ‘Mormonism’ will rule every nation...God has decreed it, and his own right arm will accomplish it. This will make the heathen rage.” (Journal of Discourses, vol. 7, p. 53) | |
| Heber J. Grant | Lds 'Prophet' #7 | "Elder Marion G. Romney recalled the counsel of President Heber J. Grant: 'My boy, you always keep your eye on the President of the Church, and if he ever tells you to do anything, and it is wrong, and you do it, the Lord will bless you for it.' Then with a twinkle in his eye, he said, 'But you don't need to worry. The Lord will never let his mouthpiece lead the people astray'" (in Conference Report, Oct. 1960, p. 78)." Cited in Official Lds publication Search the Commandments: Melchizedek Priesthood Personal Study Guide, p. 209 (1984) | |
| Harold B. Lee | Lds 'Prophet' #11 | ...President Harold B. Lee said: 'We must learn to give heed to the words and commandments that the Lord shall give through his prophet, '...as if from mine own mouth...(D&C 21:4-5)...You may not like what comes from the authority of the Church. It may contradict your political views. It may contradict your social views. It may interfere with some of your social life. But if you listen to these things, as if from the mouth of the Lord himself..." Cited in official Lds publication Remember Me: Relief Society Personal Study Guide I, p. 27 (1989) | |
| Spencer Kimball | Lds 'Prophet' #12 | "President Spencer W. Kimball said: '...We deal with many things which are thought to be not so spiritual; but all things are spiritual with the Lord, and he expects us to listen, and to obey..." (In Conference Report, Apr. 1977, p. 8; or Ensign, May 1977, p. 7) Cited in official Lds publication Come, Follow Me: Melchizedek Priesthood Personal Study Guide 1983, p.12 (1983) | |
| What about Marion G. Romney, cousin to Mitt's father? | Who was he in Lds hierarchy? (Title: 'President' - Top 3 of church as 2nd counselor to both #11 & #12 Lds 'prophets') | "Elder Neal A. Maxwell has said: 'Following the living prophets is something that must be done in all seasons and circumstances. We must be like President Marion G. Romney, who humbly said, '..I have never hesitated to follow the counsel of the Authorities of the Church even though it crossed my social, professional, and political life' (Conference Report, April 1941, p. 123). There are, or will be moments when prophetic declarations collide with our pride or our seeming personal interests...Do I believe in the living prophet even when he speaks on matters affecting me and my specialty directly? Or do I stop sustaining the prophet when his words fall in my territory? if the latter, the prophet is without honor in our country! (Things As They Really Are, p. 73). Cited in official Lds publication, Search the Commandments: Melchizedek Priesthood Personal Study Guide, pp. 275-276 (1984) | |
| Ezra Taft Benson | Lds 'Prophet' #13 | Benson speech given 2/26/80 @BYU. Summary: “…remember, if there is ever a conflict between earthly knowledge and the words of the prophet, you stand with the prophet…” (See excerpts re: 3 of 14 'fundamentals' below) Source: Fourteen Fundamentals in Following the Prophet | |
| Benson (cont'd) | Fundamental #5 | 5. The prophet is not required to have any particular earthly training or credentials to speak on any subject or act on any matter at any time. (My Q: Ya hear that Mitt Romney?) | |
| Benson (cont'd) | Fundamental #9 | 9. The prophet can receive revelation on any matter, temporal or spiritual. (My Q: Still listening, Mitt?) | |
| Benson (cont'd) | Fundamental #10 | 10. The prophet may advise on civic matters. (My Q: What say ye Mitt?) | |
| B.H. Roberts | LDS Historian and Seventy. Note: Roberts was an elected Democratic Congressman from Utah in 1898 -- but was NEVER seated by Congress because of grass roots uproar vs. Roberts, who took a THIRD simultaneous wife in the early 1890s. Grass roots America collected 7 MILLION signatures on 28 banners and presented them to Congress...in pre-mass media 1800s! | “[T]he kingdom of God... is to be a POLITICAL INSTITUTION THAT SHALL HOLD SWAY OVER ALL THE EARTH; TO WHICH ALL OTHER GOVERNMENTS WILL BE SUBORDINATE AND BY WHICH THEY WILL BE DOMINATED.” The Rise and Fall of Nauvoo, 1900, p. 180 | |
| Mitt Romney as POTUS??? | Aside from above prophetic impositions, why would Mitt not only honor what these 'prophets' have spoken, but what a future Lds 'prophet' may tell him to do? | The Law of Consecration Oath Mitt Romney has sworn in the Mormon temple (done before marriage/sealing in temple): "You and each of you covenant and promise before God, angels, and these witnesses at this altar, that you do accept the law of consecration as contained in this, the book of Doctrine and Covenants [he displays the book], in that you do consecrate yourselves, your time, talents, and EVERYTHING with which the Lord has blessed you, or WITH which he MAY bless you, to the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, for the building up of the kingdom of God on the earth and for the establishment of Zion." Source: What is an LDS Church/Mormon temple marriage/sealing? [Q: Please define 'Zion': The LDS PR Web site (lds.org) defines its primary meaning: "membership in the [LDS] church."] |
So, G Larry...you going to become a Mormon apologist now re: statements like the above?
(Talk about "converts"...we knew Romney would have this effect upon so-called "conservatives")
Whatta Clown!
Are you going to project these kind of positions on Romney, should he become President?
I can’t count the number of times I’ve heard news about someone shouting “Jesus is Lord!” before blowing themselves up on a bus.
Really, I can’t.
In order to have an honest discussion about moslems it’s best if there are none present.
You still don't understand!
It doesn't matter what Romney initiates on his own or doesn't initiate on his own in a would-be Romney White House.
It's all up to the Lds "prophet" -- who could change once, twice, three x or more during a Romney would-be White House...[Mormons pick their "prophets" -- once they reach a certain level -- by the calendar...= oldest...You want some potential alzheimers' "prophet" dictating to the POTUS what he's to do? Romney has ALREADY sworn to do it...see chart for that]
Based upon Mormon leadership quotes -- they [Lds generala authorities] are prepared to carry out whatever they want to carry out politically.
We’ve been through this “Orders from the Vatican” nonsense, before.
You deserve the America you get, if this anti-Mormon bigotry results in Obama’s re-election.
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