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New York needs a microstamping law to combat gun violence
NY Daily News ^ | april 13, 2012

Posted on 04/13/2012 9:37:13 AM PDT by lowbridge

New York must require microstamping of all semiautomatic handguns —the criminals’ weapon of choice —that are made or sold in the state.

Manufacturers would etch a number on each gun’s firing pin, which would stamp that number onto the shell casing when the weapon is fired. Two years ago, California passed a similar law that has yet to take full effect.

If microstamping were in force, shell casings found at crime scenes would become calling cards —easily traced back to the gun that shot them and, therefore, to its registered owner.

The technology in no way interferes with anyone’s Second Amendment rights. Hunting rifles would not be affected at all. And why should a law-abiding handgun owner care if his or her shell casings bear an identifying mark?

Meanwhile, microstamping would give a powerful tool to police —who regularly discover shell casings that traditional ballistic fingerprinting can’t trace.

Up against these common-sense arguments, the gun nuts have gone ballistic in Albany.

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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Editorial; News/Current Events; US: New York
KEYWORDS: banglist; democrats; guncontrol; guns; liberalmedia; mediabias; microstamping; newyork; secondamendment
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1 posted on 04/13/2012 9:37:17 AM PDT by lowbridge
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To: lowbridge

a little emery cloth or replacement FP will nix this scheme.


2 posted on 04/13/2012 9:39:46 AM PDT by RitchieAprile
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To: lowbridge

And it can be defeated readily with simple hand tools.

A switch to using revolvers would make it moot also.


3 posted on 04/13/2012 9:41:13 AM PDT by headstamp 2 (Liberalism: Carrying adolescent values and behavior into adult life.)
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To: lowbridge

The flaw - of course - is that that the person that fired the weapon would most probably not be the person that purchased it. (Those of room temp IQ or above need no further explanation of how that might happen.)

Liberals, of course, cannot understand logic past the first line, so why bother?


4 posted on 04/13/2012 9:41:13 AM PDT by Da Coyote
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To: RitchieAprile
a little emery cloth or replacement FP will nix this scheme.

Or just using a revolver instead of an autoloader. Liberals don't understand the first thing about guns.

5 posted on 04/13/2012 9:41:33 AM PDT by Thane_Banquo (Support hate crime laws: Because some victims are more equal than others.)
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To: lowbridge

And all of this is predicated on firearms being registered.

Guns are stolen and moved out of state all the time.

So to make this effective, that would mean every gun, everywhere would have to be registered.

That is not going to happen.


6 posted on 04/13/2012 9:42:50 AM PDT by Molon Labbie (A Bounty on Zimmerman, Can Be A Bounty On ANYONE. No NBPP Mob Justice!)
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To: RitchieAprile

“New York must require microstamping of all semiautomatic handguns —the criminals’ weapon of choice”
“easily traced back to the gun that shot them and, therefore, to its registered owner.”

Someone believes that criminals register their weapons. Only when they make gun ownership a crime.


7 posted on 04/13/2012 9:44:06 AM PDT by running_dog_lackey
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To: lowbridge

Duuuugh... criminals don’t buy guns they steal them....
Or buy stolen ones.. made in some other place..
What moron devised this tactic?...

When meeting new people my first thought is...
Is this a democrat?... sometimes I have the temerity to ask.. When I don’t it could be a mistake..


8 posted on 04/13/2012 9:44:52 AM PDT by hosepipe (This propaganda has been edited to include some fully orbed hyperbole...)
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To: lowbridge

More political posturing. Actual implementation of the project has never proved to be reliable. Where cartridge cases have been collected in mass and databased, not one crime has been solved with all the expense.
What criminal activity are they trying to hide by pushing this issue?


9 posted on 04/13/2012 9:46:05 AM PDT by Steamburg (The contents of your wallet is the only language Politicians understand.)
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To: lowbridge

This IDIOCY again!?

What this really is, is an attempt to outlaw legal firearm sales in N.Y.

Didn’t New Jersey (?) just finally abandon their fired cartridge case registry?
Spent millions, never solved a single case.
This with every gun sold having to submit a sample fired case and the guns SN#.

Oh, and for the idiots of N.Y., criminals do not “Buy” their guns from dealers, they steal them or trade drugs for them.
They would not buy guns with this unavailable technology.

Revolvers do not eject their fired cases.

Criminals ARE stupid, but even if they used such guns they would quickly learn to pick up their brass, or find a way to keep it from falling to the ground.

Not that the idiots care, this is really about outlawing new guns.


10 posted on 04/13/2012 9:46:18 AM PDT by Loyal Sedition
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To: lowbridge
“Up against these common-sense arguments, the gun nuts have gone ballistic in Albany.” Wow, how many incorrect statements can they pack into one sentence???
11 posted on 04/13/2012 9:47:30 AM PDT by jdsteel (Give me freedom, not more government.)
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To: lowbridge

Liberals need microstamps so they can immediately be identified.


12 posted on 04/13/2012 9:49:12 AM PDT by goseminoles
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To: RitchieAprile
Fortunately, the Lefties have been busy taking “socially relevant” college courses rather than simple physics and Introduction to Logic courses.
13 posted on 04/13/2012 9:49:21 AM PDT by Pecos (In God we trust. All others - bring data.)
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To: lowbridge

This is what happens when amateurs offer opinions.

I ask my doctor questions, I explore alternatives with him. I do not offer medical advce to him. If these bozos can’t see that two minutes with a bit of sand paper or a small ball peen hammer can undo their brilliant plan, maybe they’re too stupid to do their jobs.


14 posted on 04/13/2012 9:49:45 AM PDT by muir_redwoods (I like Obamacare because Granny signed the will and I need the cash)
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To: Da Coyote

Liberals, of course, cannot understand logic past the first line, so why bother?

I think each liberal should have a macrostamp on their forheads....idiot liberal


15 posted on 04/13/2012 9:51:32 AM PDT by AngelesCrestHighway
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To: lowbridge

Will guns provided to Mexican drug cartels by the federal government be microstamped?


16 posted on 04/13/2012 9:52:22 AM PDT by Fresh Wind ('People have got to know whether or not their president is a crook.' Richard M. Nixon)
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To: neverdem

FYI


17 posted on 04/13/2012 9:53:38 AM PDT by Gene Eric (Newt/Sarah 2012)
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To: lowbridge
All that NYC has to do is put up these signs around the city. Problem solved.

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18 posted on 04/13/2012 9:54:05 AM PDT by SkyDancer ("Talent Without Ambition Is Sad - Ambition Without Talent Is Worse")
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To: Loyal Sedition

Brass found at a crime scene is pretty weak evidence. I could pick up 10 kinds of brass at a gun range and drop it at a crime scene, leaving plenty of time to get out of town while they track down people who weren’t even there.


19 posted on 04/13/2012 9:54:39 AM PDT by JTHomes (A lot of injustice is done under the cover of law.)
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To: lowbridge

Why not pass al aw require registration and licensing of automobiles to reduce the number of theft, carjackings and DWI?
How about a law requiring all males over the age of 9, to register their DNA, so if a RAPE occurs we can track it to a person?

I would like a law that says all people running for elected office be required to take an IQ test, EEG and a drug test! The drug test should be bi-monthly!


20 posted on 04/13/2012 9:55:04 AM PDT by GOYAKLA (Recall/ Impeachment Day, November 6, 2012. FUBO)
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To: lowbridge

I love that I left that scummy little hellhole of a state.


21 posted on 04/13/2012 9:55:50 AM PDT by Lazamataz (Shut up and drill.)
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To: lowbridge

The stated purpose of this law has nothing to do with why they want it. They want this because it will be a burden upon gun manufacturers and gun owners, further driving up the costs of owning a firearm.

Its a burden to require an ID to vote, but nothing is too much for the right bear arms.


22 posted on 04/13/2012 9:56:12 AM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: AngelesCrestHighway
This should be a useful tool for microstamping liberals...
23 posted on 04/13/2012 9:56:22 AM PDT by Fresh Wind ('People have got to know whether or not their president is a crook.' Richard M. Nixon)
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To: headstamp 2
hand tools

Like, say, hands, as in picking up the brass.

24 posted on 04/13/2012 10:01:56 AM PDT by katana (Just my opinions)
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To: lowbridge

Picking up a number of casings at a gun range to throw down at a crime scene would drive the prosecutors crazy.


25 posted on 04/13/2012 10:03:36 AM PDT by Joe Bfstplk (People should enjoy the fruits of their labor. No labor, no fruit.)
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To: lowbridge

These people are beyond stupid.

Criminals will use revolvers and may even “seed the area” with shells from another gun.


26 posted on 04/13/2012 10:04:41 AM PDT by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: lowbridge
And why should a law-abiding handgun owner care if his or her shell casings bear an identifying mark?

I love the old progressive foible of "if you're not breaking the law you have nothing to worry about."

27 posted on 04/13/2012 10:06:23 AM PDT by Drill Thrawl (The United States of America, a banana republic since 1/21/2009)
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To: lowbridge
Up against these common-sense arguments, the gun nuts have gone ballistic

No bias there. No Sireee Bob!

28 posted on 04/13/2012 10:07:20 AM PDT by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: lowbridge

Sure, the street thugs who commit all this gun violence use their legally registered, semi-automatic weapons, that were purchased in NY (despite the fact the NYC essentially bans such weapons) which would lead investigators to them if we only had microstamping. Also, a street thug would NEVER disable the microstamping on his legally registered murder weapon. /sarc

In the real world, thugs use guns that were stolen, bought from illegal gun dealers or from friends and fellow criminals or that were purchased out of state, often in straw purchases.

NYS recently repealed the CoBIS law requirng that samples of spent casings be sumbitted to the government with all gun sales, because in the over 10 years since in was implemented not a single crime was solved using this method.

Did the NYDN ever think that maybe if the thugs knew that law abiding citizens might be carrying guns, rather than being the sitting ducks that they currently are, they’d be less likely to commit gun crimes? Just think, the gun violence rate in “gun free” NYC and other such cities, could actually drop to the much lower levels found in areas that respect the 2nd Amendment.

It also might make sense to actually lock up violent criminals for an extended period of time, rather than letting them loose to rob, rape and murder.

I think the New York Daily News should change its name to the Fantasy Land Daily News.


29 posted on 04/13/2012 10:10:03 AM PDT by Above My Pay Grade (The candidate I vote for will NOT have a CARE after his name.)
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To: lowbridge
The technology in no way interferes with anyone’s Second Amendment rights. Hunting rifles would not be affected at all. And why should a law-abiding handgun owner care if his or her shell casings bear an identifying mark?

This argument is inspired.

Inspired by totalitarian Communist regimes, that is, as they registered typewriters and took samples of the typed output so that they could identify which typewriter was responsible for writing anything that the State disapproved of.

Unfortunately, it was rarely the typewriters who were the ones sent to the gulag or summarily executed.

30 posted on 04/13/2012 10:13:13 AM PDT by The Electrician ("Government is the only enterprise in the world which expands in size when its failures increase.")
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To: mylife; lowbridge
the gun nuts have gone ballistic in Albany.

Every cloud has it silver lining.

31 posted on 04/13/2012 10:14:34 AM PDT by firebrand
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To: lowbridge

lol, there are so many stupidities here. A. 5 seconds with an Arkansas stone and the microstamp is gone. B. firing pins are interchangeable-get a new one from the factory and the traceability is broken. C. I can see a HUGE market in custom microstamped firing pins. I bet the “F*** Bloomberg” model would sell like hotcakes.


32 posted on 04/13/2012 10:15:00 AM PDT by jboot
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A microstamping law would drastically raise the price of any new gun. But that is what they are after. The idea is not to do anything positive, but to create an interdiction to anyone buying a legal gun to protect themselves.

Why doesn’t Bloomburg do some positive things like nailing a guy to the wall who uses a gun during a crime? Let’s get practical and start punishing criminals instead of returning them to society to do it again. Treat criminals as criminals. Get serious about the penal system. If Bloomburg would do this, I’d back him. When he pushes baloney like ‘Microstamping’, I balk.


33 posted on 04/13/2012 10:15:36 AM PDT by maxwellsmart_agent
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To: lowbridge

Am I correct to assume polishing the firing pin would be illegal?


34 posted on 04/13/2012 10:15:58 AM PDT by Cyber Liberty (The only flaw is that America doesn't recognize Cyber's omniscience. -- sergeantdave)
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To: lowbridge
why not have a wrist band that detects and keeps gun power residue and make criminals wear them instead of penalizing law abiding citizens?
35 posted on 04/13/2012 10:16:07 AM PDT by mountainlion (I am voting for Sarah after getting screwed again by the DC Thugs.)
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To: jboot
I can see a HUGE market in custom microstamped firing pins. I bet the “F*** Bloomberg” model would sell like hotcakes.

LMAO!

36 posted on 04/13/2012 10:20:03 AM PDT by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: RitchieAprile
a little emery cloth or replacement FP will nix this scheme.

They understand this. They understand that microstamping will not solve a violent crime, any more than having a registered serial number on a gun is any good at tracking down a criminal. The legislation is not aimed at putting violent criminals in jail. It's aimed at putting YOU in jail.

They simply want yet another way to put you in jail when they want to. So when your estranged wife or girlfriend tips them off that you have defaced your microstamper, they can take you away and put you in jail.

In the NY Legislation they have "amends subdivision 6 of section 265.10 of the penal law to clarify that the existing class D felony offense of defacing a firearm includes the defacement of a microstamping component or mechanism of a semiautomatic pistol".

37 posted on 04/13/2012 10:21:43 AM PDT by PapaBear3625 (In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act. - George Orwell)
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To: RitchieAprile

Disinterested outsiders could tell the New Yorkers that they can improve things by simply keeping the bad guys in jail longer ~ like 35 years longer!


38 posted on 04/13/2012 10:22:28 AM PDT by muawiyah
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To: lowbridge

Somewhere I remember NY OR NYC require the MFG to include a shell case with the gun for the same purpose as the micro stamp would be.


39 posted on 04/13/2012 10:22:38 AM PDT by tiger-one
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To: lowbridge

a better idea would be a lower lip tattoo for gun control nuts. Though Bloomberg himself could use an ear tag. Yet if he got one, he would probably demand that everyone else must have one too.

Because, after all, he thinks that everyone else should suffer because of his own personal problems.


40 posted on 04/13/2012 10:24:36 AM PDT by yefragetuwrabrumuy ("It is already like a government job," he said, "but with goats." -- Iranian goat smuggler)
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To: lowbridge
...Hunting rifles would not be affected at all..

What, exactly, is a "hunting" rifle in these idiots minds?

41 posted on 04/13/2012 10:26:10 AM PDT by TexasRedeye
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To: Da Coyote

It isn’t about reducing crime. It is about further limiting 2A rights through increased costs, registering ammunition and/or firing pins, etc. They don’t want to reduce crime; they want to take away your guns.


42 posted on 04/13/2012 10:27:24 AM PDT by Gaffer
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To: Da Coyote

Isn’t the bigger flaw in the plan that no crime has been solved with micro stamping?

Remember the Canadian gun registry program. It was sold as the same. It will solve crimes... Zero where solved. It also quickly grew to a massively expensive program.


43 posted on 04/13/2012 10:27:24 AM PDT by Dutch Boy
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To: lowbridge

I’m just guessing but I figure 75% plus of the gun crimes are committed with stolen handguns, or guns not registered to the criminal.

And what is this supposed to do for revolvers?


44 posted on 04/13/2012 10:30:08 AM PDT by Bryan24 (When in doubt, move to the right..........)
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To: TexasRedeye

Nothing bigger than a Red Ryder Carbine-Action Two-Hundred-Shot Range Model Air Rifle! (Chambered in .177) I would imagine. Anything larger is a high-powered sniper weapon.


45 posted on 04/13/2012 10:31:32 AM PDT by Drill Thrawl (The United States of America, a banana republic since 1/21/2009)
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To: Joe Bfstplk

Picking up a number of casings at a gun range to throw down at a crime scene would drive the prosecutors crazy.

Please!Don’t give these government idiots any ideas.They’ll make it a felony to leave any used casing on the floor of the range.

Much easier way to ban guns that way.You get arrested for polluting the environment with used cartridge cases then your denied your second amendment rights because you committed a previous crime.


46 posted on 04/13/2012 10:32:08 AM PDT by puppypusher (The World is going to the dogs.)
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To: TexasRedeye
For further reference:


47 posted on 04/13/2012 10:34:24 AM PDT by Drill Thrawl (The United States of America, a banana republic since 1/21/2009)
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To: lowbridge

Duh!!! What’s to keep a relatively smart criminal from going to a range, picking up a few hand fulls of spent shells and leaving them at the scenes of his crimes, thereby framing one or more innocent people?


48 posted on 04/13/2012 10:34:24 AM PDT by libstripper
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To: Lazamataz

Amen, Roger THAT, and oh hell yes...


49 posted on 04/13/2012 10:35:13 AM PDT by Made In The USA (Bacon wrapped in bacon, wrapped in bacon, wrapped in bacon...)
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To: tiger-one
Somewhere I remember NY OR NYC require the MFG to include a shell case with the gun for the same purpose as the micro stamp would be.

My new HK45 had a spend cartridge in the box when I brought her home.

50 posted on 04/13/2012 10:37:00 AM PDT by Puppage (You may disagree with what I have to say, but I shall defend to your death my right to say it)
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