Skip to comments.THE BIG DAY FOR SWISS CHEESE OR THE TAX CODE
Posted on 04/18/2012 8:30:35 AM PDT by bramps
Weve been instructed to show no mercy this year, to disallow everything, says one IRS compliance officer. Its frightening.
(Excerpt) Read more at washingtontimes.com ...
Last year the IRS sent me several threatening letters, each of which I was able to refute.
They changed tactics several times, but the dollar amount remained the same.
Pure shakedown as each 'offense' was something clearly covered in my return.
I'm quite certain many people will simply roll over and pay, just to be clear of the vermin.
Sounds like a good year to get nominated for Treasury Secretary.
I look forward to the day when states like TX make it lawful to defy the Federal government and swear to protect citizens from federal arrest or prosectuion.
The next “civil war” will involve lawyers and voters, not guns and militia.
If Obama is re-elected, I predict that TX, AZ and/or OK will get a referendum on the ballot about their independence from Federal authority in some way shape or form. It may only be a symbollic vote at first. But it will be the beginning of States reasserting their rights over a federal government that has become tyrannical.
I’m thinking about writing a book about what the next civil war will look like. I don’t believe it will resemble anything most picture from our past. But there will come a time when national guards and certain divisions of the military may need to swear allegiances (Ft. Hood?). At some point, the states will allow citizens to stop paying taxes to the fed as they raise taxes for their own state. The fed will stop sending money to those states. The thing is, there are many states that provide more tax revenue for the fed than they receive. Texas is one of them. Short of an armed take-over, if the citizens of TX come together in a majority, the Fed would be powerless to stop succession.
We are being further intimidated into submission.
I have been told of similar actions.
obastard has declared war on small business and anyone else he has deemed to “have too much”.
Someone criticized anyone who looks to go somewhere else... I think this criticism is foolish. We are living under an insidious repression that is quickly becoming overt and aggressive.
I wish I would have spell checked that.
Depends on if he can paint it as "The Republican's Fault" - which his minions in the MSM will surely help to do.
One of the best spell checkers for me is the "Enter" button. It's usually when I hit it that I realize some spelling is questionable.
It will involve guns because the government has no power without them.
IRS Summons Has No OMB Control Number
Sometimes we overlook the remedies that are the most simple. Eddie Kahn told us about one thing that they completely overlooked involving the Paperwork Reduction Act. That Act says you are not required to disclose anything on any federal form that does not have a valid OMB control number. The Office of Management and Budget is the one who assigns these control numbers and when they do, the number appears in the upper right-hand corner of a form. American Rights Litigators (ARL) always has clients that the IRS sends summonses to where they request books and records. Well, guess what, both the first and third party summonses that the IRS sends out do not have any OMB control numbers on them. One of ARL’s researchers brought this to Eddie’s attention this week after he looked under Title 44 USC § 3512, entitled Public Protection. Here is what it says:
TITLE 44 - PUBLIC PRINTING AND DOCUMENTS
CHAPTER 35 - COORDINATION OF FEDERAL INFORMATION POLICY
Section 3512 - Public protection
(a) Notwithstanding any other provision of law, no person shall be subject to any penalty for failing to comply with a collection of information that is subject to this chapter if -
(1) the collection of information does not display a valid control number assigned by the Director in accordance with this chapter; or
(2) the agency fails to inform the person who is to respond to the collection of information that such person is not required to respond to the collection of information unless it displays a valid control number.
(b) The protection provided by this section may be raised in the form of a complete defense, bar, or otherwise at any time during the agency administrative process or judicial action applicable thereto.
As you can see, the Paperwork Reduction Act shows us that the IRS summons is nothing more than a bootleg request for information. Eddie talked to a fellow recently who said he raised this issue back in 1988 in an order to show cause hearing. The judge told him that he still had to give the IRS the information they wanted even after showing him the above section, so he appealed it. When he did it though, the IRS came in and canceled their opposition to his objection. They knew the appeals court would probably overturn the verdict and they didn’t want to have a precedent set, which is why they did it. This is important to know for the summons is the IRS’ key instrument that they use to gather information on us at the examination level. It has no force and effect at all if we just use the proper argument.
Our military was created to battle foreign enemies. Our bureaucracies were created to battle domestic enemies - us.
Bingo. The MSM will report that the Obama's IRS is simply going after fat-cat tax cheats. This will be spun as a victory for the working class over the heartless rich.
I have a brother who hasn’t done a tax return in 10 years. He has had a checkered life with drug abuse doing most of the damage. He could care less about the IRS. “Screw them!” is his refrain. He changes residences frequently. Each new residence is a “cash, handshake” agreement. His mail goes to a PO Box. He never answers his cell phone. The message to leave a VM is from one of his daughters. He is pretty much “off the grid”. For all the grief(plenty) he has caused he has one enduring quality, he is conservative and despises Obama. Although I would never trade places with him, I do envy his freestyle life.
Weve been instructed to show no mercy this year, to disallow everything, says one IRS compliance officer.
Since when have they not tried to do exactly that?! They are the most arrogant, clueless bunch on the planet. Try to find someone, anyone in that agency who knows what they are talking about and can back it up, JUST ONE!
I'm not a prophet or a future teller. But I have been giving this thought and doing a lot of research in the past few months. Here's why I believe the next rebellion won't involve a "war" in the traditional terms. My opinion may change as I'm being very objective and trying to test logical theories and scenarios through the prism of history with monumental government action.
There are several states that would support if not join a state or a couple states in a political power grab from the Fed. Their are more states (NY, CA, etc.) that would jump to the side of the fed as they depend on states like TX, AZ and OK for the distribution of their federal welfare. Liberals are anti-war and the screaming liberal base, in their arrogance, would cry, "Good Riddance." In an armed conflict, conservatives would volunteer, liberals would have to be drafted and most military would not fire on fellow Americans asserting their freedom. We are no longer a fledgling republic of united states. Communication and cause is instant via the Internet. The liberals would have to "crack down" on the message and this would inevitably lead to more cries of 1st amendment violations. Marshal law?
In the end, I expect an armed conflict might find itself facing a military that refuses to attack on one side and a huge majority of citizens that would take up their own arms and support a military that will only defend (the seceding states from attack).
To put it clear, try to picture a president ordering the DOD to draw up attack plans for Austin so they could go in and arrest the governor. Battle plans always involve casualty predictions, collateral damage and objective success predictions. Where would a general start and what would be the analysis of what a successful campaign would look like? For me, it doesn't pass the logic test. Their would be a flurry of resignations and leaks before a group was found to start such a plan. By then, the question of whether our fed had indeed become too powerful would be answered for all the so called independents. Only the fringe left would remain in support of going to TX (for example) and killing to save the union.
I would expect it would be a 10 to 12 year process before tensions would mount to organized military action. By then, the problem would have resolved itself one way or another in courts, elections and legislation IMO.
Re: Independence from federal taxes:
Maybe this is the reason that the federal government has no interest in sealing the borders, or dealing with the flood of illegal aliens.
These would be people with no allegiance to Texas or Arizona, but to the federal government, especially if promised all sorts of goodies by the feds.
I don't disagree with your conclusions based upon your research (particularly the unlikely mobilization of troops to retake rebel cities or states). My opinion is that, as in many wars, a future U.S. civil war will start in small regional skirmishes between citizens and the Fed Gov taking sides. I suspect it would start because of inner city riots along racial lines.
I experienced something like this, where an employer had mistakenly filed a 1099 for expense reimbursals for me. I had moved, and didn't hear about this from the IRS for quite some time, and I was informed that it would have to go to tax court to be fought. I was told by a tax lawyer that it would be cheaper to just pay the taxes, interest, and penalties than to pay a lawyer to fight it.
It was only about $1100, but if they do that to many thousands of people, it starts to add up.
Too bad you are “Freghtened”. If you actually knew anything about representing folks at an audit, you would understand that the so-called “compliance officer’s” quote is a figment of your imagination. There is no conspiracy, there is no grassy knoll, there is no change in tactics. You are a fear-monger who is stirring trouble. Your guy probably had a $ 12K AGI because he wrote off a lot of start-up stuff in the first year (perhaps too much???) and in the prior years had $ 250K AGI. Go back to H & R Block and fix your RALs & RACs.
We've probably got 40 million guns down here (I'm low-balling that figure, as I don't know anyone with less then 4 or 5, and quite a number with more), and a history of telling others to stick their "authoritah" where the sun don't shine. So, to put none too fine a point on it, there isn't going to be any armed takeover of Texas by anyone other than its own citizens, should the need ever arise. It is quite simply impossible to do without destroying the infrastructure of the state, something that any would-be occupier would want to avoid...and even then, they'll be bled dry in the process.
>>Liberals are anti-war and the screaming liberal base, in their arrogance, would cry, “Good Riddance.” In an armed conflict, conservatives would volunteer, liberals would have to be drafted...
This premiss is seriously flawed. Liberals are NOT anti-war, they are anti-American. Historically, they have seldom shied away from violence when it comes to asserting political power (e.g Dachau, Auschwitz, Sobibor, the Gulags, the Laogais, the Killing Fields, Mugabe’s disarmament of white farmers so they could be more easily raped and slaughtered).
Just curious... the compliance officer is clearly quoted in the story, not off the top of the OP’s head. Also, curious as to what an RAC is, refund anticipitory... what?
I anticipate IRS trouble this year, and would like nothing better than to believe it will all be OK, but the Times’ story has me also frightened, as does the expweience of the OP as a seasoned preparer.
Encourage, heck even comfort me, please...
I've bumped into some people over the years who live very independent of the usual connections. I've also envied them some of that freedom, especially in uncertain times like these.
I assume the premise which you assert is "seriously flawed" is that of Liberals being "anti-war". I'll agree on the anti-American as well.
There was not a single "war" mentioned in the examples you gave. What you pointed out is the hypocrisy of their stance on war. An overt and open declaration of war is not a thing the left tolerates (Since WWII). That said, all means justify their ends as long as they can spin their position adequately for the ignorant mindless base.
Liberals would sooner make excuses for their side committing acts of terrorism in the name of justice than to make a formal declaration of war. The issue is accountability and credibility with their ignorant minion base. "We didn't do it. We don't condone those kinds of acts. But we're glad it happened. They did have it coming." --- It's the liberal way.
I had the honor and priveledge of living in Austin for about 3 years. While Austin must be the MOST liberal city in TX, what constitutes liberal in the state of TX is near bear to an alcoholic. I grew up in IN and have lived in San Fran, Maryland, Virginia and TX.
I have an interesting take on the general TX culture and pride. I do love it and my daughter is our anchor baby if we ever need to immigrate back.
Except for other folks telling Texans that they have a unique character and pride for their state history, most of tehm don’t know any better or worse. Nothing was so refreshing to me than living around and dealing with people that would give you the stink eye if you started in on some PC BS or did an articulation two step to avoid offending someone. Just say what you’re thinking.
Texans are generally pretty direct. They expect the same. They don’t seek confrontation but won’t shy away from it either. Concerning Political Correctness, if a person is offended in some way, it’s their problem not yours or society’s. A man’s word is more important than a contract. Either you can be trusted or you can’t. Mind your own business and let me know if you need help. And finally, “Don’t mess with Texas.” We were our own country once and have no qualms with going that way again.
There is an alternative. That is a purge order.
Rather than leaving, the states should issue a purge order and declare Massachusetts and designated others to be purged from the Union
He doesn’t sound like he’s living a freestyle life to me.
If I have to look over my shoulder every other move I make doesn’t quite fit a freestyle life that I would envision.
Is your last name Axelrod? Your post is so idiotic it doesn’t deserve any further response than what I just gave you.
Have you heard about the Civil War that occured in this country??? The North was hardly conservative.
We fought a Civil War here in America? Well, I'll be....
Remind me again, what party was Abraham Lincoln? Which Party really championed Civil Rights?
The Civil War was born of governance differences largely born of the representation of the south and the economic drivers of the North and South (Industry Vs Agriculture). The South had legitimate grievances with the Federal Government. There were no "welfare" states back then.
The South was trading internationally and was self sufficient. They didn't like laws coming out of the north that had to do with agriculture, trading and taxes. But they didn't have the representation to affect legislation either due to population distribution. The North needed the south more than the south needed the North. A war ensued. Slavery was just the last straw and that was a "conservative" issue.
Their were not many "liberals" back then in the form of a liberal today.
That’s a keeper.
I anticipate IRS trouble this year, and would like nothing better than to believe it will all be OK, but the Times story has me also frightened, as does the expweience of the OP as a seasoned preparer.
Encourage, heck even comfort me, please..."
Refund anticipation loans & checks. And I am a 30 year CPA with as much audit experience. The OP is just using scare tactics to make you run to the safety of his great protection. Barf Alert!!!!!
The IRS folks are just a bunch of bureaucrats who want you to tell the truth. Gee, there is a novel idea. Do you suppose bramps' client wasn't disclosing everything? Well then I hope they chase the guy to the ends of the earth. I'm a taxpayer too and don't like these sorts getting away with deducting their toys and vacations.
Bramps sounds like the guy from TaxMasters who can save you from the big bad wolf. Problem: that guy just got sued for $ 195M for not providing any actual service. Whatever you do, don't sign up for bramps' special, secret newsletter.
Hey Dutchboy88, just a rousing enthusiastic round of supporting comments on your part.
For the information of the public, the case ended up with a complete examination of all income with examining deposits made for the year which amounted to a grand total of $26,000. which was split between two people. The agent abruptly decided to settle the case without any further examination and explained he was sorry he had to do what he did. The case was settled for a fraction of what they thought was errors in the return. Your assumptions are so Obama like. Your name must be Axelrod.
By the way, your just a rookie at the game son.
Oops, hit a nerve did we gramps? How did they know any errors existed to begin with? Let me guess...the cash deposited did not tie to the Sched. C. Or, the travel wasn't ordinary & necessary. Or hiring that dog wasn't considered proper. You may wish to start representing honest taxpayers or, perhaps birds of a feather? If I am a rookie, you are clearly out to pasture.
Your ignorance is more obvious than your knoweledge. Nice try. There isn’t any nerves to hit. Your attempt at trying to show you know some tax rules is pretty weak.
And your grammar & spelling make us all wonder if you really are in a position to accurately describe the IRS. Didn't they teach some of that at H&R Block?
I certainly didn’t feel accuracy in anything was your strong suit.
Give it up gramps, you’re rant is fading along with your skill. Go live in Somalia where everyone does what is right in their own eyes. I’m sure they can use a “freghtened” old guy who hates all control.