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Larry Elder: Gun control opponents are wise to fear Obama
Los Angeles Daily News ^ | 4/20/12 | Larry Elder

Posted on 04/20/2012 1:24:34 PM PDT by Mark

There goes the "paranoid" take-us- back-to-the-Wild-West National Rifle Association again, hysterically claiming that gun-control advocates are coming for their guns.

Wayne LaPierre, executive vice president of the NRA recently accused President Barack Obama of a secret agenda, to "lull gun owners into a false sense of security." Meanwhile, the president, says La Pierre, engages in "planning and plotting, behind closed doors, to launch a massive anti-gun onslaught when the time is right."

Is there a reason for this fear? Or, is the NRA, as one local reporter puts it, "intentionally alarmist"?

Five-four Supreme Court decisions can do that to the Second Amendment crowd. In the important 2008 District of Columbia v. Heller case, four members of the court actually said that the Second Amendment recognizes a right to keep and bear arms - but only as part of an organized state militia, such as the National Guard. Five justices said that people have an individual right to keep and bear arms, striking down the D.C. law that outlawed handgun ownership even in the home.

This draconian D.C. law was similar to one in Chicago, Obama's adopted hometown. Obama supported that law, which the Supreme Court, in McDonald v. Chicago, struck down as well. Case closed? Hardly.

If voters give Obama four more years, he will likely have two or more Supreme Court vacancies. One or two more left-wing justices, like Elena Kagan and Sonia Sotomayor, can flip a 5-4 Heller case the other way.

"Paranoid"?

Nelson Shields, the founder of the organization which later became Handgun Control Inc., said in 1976: "Our ultimate goal - total control of handguns in the United States - is going to take time. My estimate is from seven to ten years. The first problem is to slow down the increasing number of handguns being produced and sold in this country. The second problem is to get handguns registered. And the final problem is to make the possession of all handguns and all handgun ammunition - except for the military, policemen, licensed security guards, licensed sporting clubs and licensed gun collectors - totally illegal."

"Intentionally alarmist"?

In a 1993 editorial, a major newspaper urged Congress to outlaw almost all firearms:

"Only by slicing away at this nation's already vast and deadly arsenal of guns will we reduce the violence and the fear. You will not feel safe, your children will not be safe, until there are almost no guns on the streets and in homes. No guns, period, except for those held by law enforcement officials and a few others, including qualified hunters and collectors. Can Congress impose such a ban? Federal courts, including the U.S. Supreme Court, have consistently upheld a variety of firearms restrictions, even prohibitions, over the last 60 years."

"Intentionally alarmist"? Smile when you say that, pardner.

Larry Elder's column appears on Fridays. He can be reached at sage@larryelder.com.


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Editorial; Government
KEYWORDS: 2ndamenment; banglist; government; gus
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1 posted on 04/20/2012 1:24:43 PM PDT by Mark
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To: Mark

The war on SYG in FL is one of the opening shots.


2 posted on 04/20/2012 1:49:43 PM PDT by Jack Hydrazine (It's the end of the world as we know it and I feel fine!)
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To: Mark

The Fast and Furious scandal is another.


3 posted on 04/20/2012 1:50:17 PM PDT by Jack Hydrazine (It's the end of the world as we know it and I feel fine!)
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To: Mark

Indeed, people need to understand that the only reason Trayvon riots have not occured is because of the Stand your Ground and women and elderlies with guns capable of blowing the head of those thugs off.

Once again, the good life result of those brave people doing good is getting unnoticed. THey need to be encouraged, all of each other need to do this and continue this.


4 posted on 04/20/2012 2:11:40 PM PDT by JudgemAll (Democrats Fed. job-security Whorocracy & hate:hypocrites must be gay like us or be tested/crucified)
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To: Mark

The right to keep and bear arms is a God given right, the US Constitution only recognizes that fact. It will all coe down to “We the People” in the end.

When the fascists outlaw guns, only the police will have guns....laughing on the floor......

When they come for our guns we will give them to them, one round at a time.

Or as was once written a long time ago, you won’t need the second amendment until they try and take it away from you.


5 posted on 04/20/2012 2:12:42 PM PDT by stockpirate (Romney, Ann Coulter & our ruling republican SOCIALISTelites, are Big Government socialists,)
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To: Jack Hydrazine

We are in a cold war situation with the government thugs of the ATF and Obamacommi suckers.

This is a real cold war that needs to be mentioned against that evil empire of DC.


6 posted on 04/20/2012 2:13:33 PM PDT by JudgemAll (Democrats Fed. job-security Whorocracy & hate:hypocrites must be gay like us or be tested/crucified)
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To: stockpirate

While we are letting civilians own AKs in Iraq and Afghanistan to counter corruption and crime and terrorists, talks from thugs are going over to disarm us.


7 posted on 04/20/2012 2:15:02 PM PDT by JudgemAll (Democrats Fed. job-security Whorocracy & hate:hypocrites must be gay like us or be tested/crucified)
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To: stockpirate

While we are letting civilians own AKs in Iraq and Afghanistan to counter corruption and crime and terrorists, talks from thugs are going over to disarm us.

Islam notwithstanding, places like Iraq and Afghanistan can only improve while Eurotrash and liberal US wusses can only go down.


8 posted on 04/20/2012 2:15:53 PM PDT by JudgemAll (Democrats Fed. job-security Whorocracy & hate:hypocrites must be gay like us or be tested/crucified)
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To: stockpirate

Before reading your tag line, I was going to mention Coulter and Romney who aparently could be siding with surrendering to the evil empire of DC against AMerica.

Yep, so much for her dad working for the FBI nailing Soviet spies. The suicidal and euthanasist are the condemners and self hating cowards. Tweeti bird has more brained and courage than they do.


9 posted on 04/20/2012 2:19:33 PM PDT by JudgemAll (Democrats Fed. job-security Whorocracy & hate:hypocrites must be gay like us or be tested/crucified)
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To: stockpirate

Before reading your tag line, I was going to mention Coulter and Romney who aparently could be siding with surrendering to the evil empire of DC against AMerica.

Yep, so much for her dad working for the FBI nailing Soviet spies. The suicidal and euthanasist are the condemners and self hating cowards. Tweeti bird has more brain and courage than they do.


10 posted on 04/20/2012 2:19:47 PM PDT by JudgemAll (Democrats Fed. job-security Whorocracy & hate:hypocrites must be gay like us or be tested/crucified)
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To: Mark

BTTT!


11 posted on 04/23/2012 4:09:35 PM PDT by neverdem (Xin loi minh oi)
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To: stockpirate
Yeah yeah. Here's another: When they finally DO get my guns, they're going to be warmer than me!

Here's the reality. Most males talk big talk but when it comes down to a real gunfight with the women and kids in the line of fire or worse, when the BATFE kicks in your door at 0300 and storms inside with their new MP7's, America is going to roll over on it's collective belly and crawl. At least 90% of them for certain. How certain can we be? Remeber the post Katrina gun grabs? I would have thought all them rough and tough Cajuns and the like scattered around Naw-linns as they quaintly refer to New Orleans down yonder, would blaze away at the jack booted thugs. Right? We all remember the ultimate results. Much crawlage.

The decent news? If there are 100 million gun owners for example in the nation and 90% roll and crawl, that still leaves 10 million heavily armed folks. Many of them will be exmilitary and many of those will have combat experience and a goodly chunk of that crowd will have special operations experience with combat status. Not a bunch of folks I'd want to have really mad at me. For example: Special Forces Underground

12 posted on 04/24/2012 7:31:27 AM PDT by ExSoldier (Stand up and be counted... OR LINE UP AND BE NUMBERED...)
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To: ExSoldier

The best overall plan WOULD be to let them take what you have,

THEN GET THE WORD OUT

so that others can prepare and organize, and give you a “spare”.

100 JBTs vs one homeowner is one thing.
100 patriots converging on one JBT’s house is another.


13 posted on 04/24/2012 7:36:55 AM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter knows whom he's working for)
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To: harpseal; TexasCowboy; nunya bidness; AAABEST; Travis McGee; Squantos; wku man; SLB; ...
Click the Gadsden flag for pro-gun resources!
14 posted on 04/24/2012 8:32:47 AM PDT by Joe Brower (Sheep have three speeds: "graze", "stampede" and "cower".)
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To: ExSoldier

Interesting link, thx....

The good news it won’t happen the way you wrote, at first it may, but nor for long.


15 posted on 04/24/2012 9:39:52 AM PDT by stockpirate (Romney, Ann Coulter & our ruling republican SOCIALISTelites, are Big Government socialists,)
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To: MrB
The best overall plan WOULD be to let them take what you have....

You're kiddin', right?

THEN GET THE WORD OUT

How exactly and to whom?

so that others can prepare and organize, and give you a “spare”.

Ummmmm in a world where the guns are already being seized, just who is going to give anybody a spare? And if your own ammo supply is gone (even assuming it's the same brand and the correct caliber, who is going to part with enough ammo to fight a battle?

100 JBTs vs one homeowner is one thing. 100 patriots converging on one JBT’s house is another.

Uh huh. Where are you going to find these "patriots" who will leave their families in the middle of a basic state of revolution to go rushing off to a voluntary confrontation with a heavily armed and well trained force? How will they know which house to "reinforce" and how will they know the disposition of forces arrayed in advance of their arrival? How well trained are the patriots? Who trained them and when? How are they supplied? See these are pretty complex questions I've had to ask during the course of my time as an Infantry Captain. My secondary was logistics and I used to work for a General on his staff in that field. What you are saying is fantasy. Simplistic and unworkable. Try again.

16 posted on 04/24/2012 9:44:20 AM PDT by ExSoldier (Stand up and be counted... OR LINE UP AND BE NUMBERED...)
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To: MrB
100 patriots converging on one JBT’s house is another.

Sorry, I misread that in my last post. It's still not going to happen this way. The JBT's will be quartered in compounds surrounded by mines and concertina, probably looking a lot like a Fire Base from the Vietnam era. They will rarely be found alone. Look read these books: EFAD and you'll get the right idea.

17 posted on 04/24/2012 10:09:57 AM PDT by ExSoldier (Stand up and be counted... OR LINE UP AND BE NUMBERED...)
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To: ExSoldier

So, you wouldn’t let them take what you have and simply die that night.

OK, great plan. Love it.

And you also must think they can get everyone’s guns on the same night. Yep, they’re that good.


18 posted on 04/24/2012 11:06:31 AM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter knows whom he's working for)
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To: MrB
OK, great plan. Love it.

After thinking about it, perhaps the best plan to go up against criminal evil, would be to hide your guns and ammo (except the ones that you volunteer for show) and never take them on at your home. It would more likely be better to use patience and strategic guerrilla warfare, a place and time of your choosing and opportunity. Like maybe a constant one off sniping of the criminal ranks, or covert surprise bombings, or booby traps.
19 posted on 04/24/2012 11:19:23 AM PDT by ZX12R (FUBO GTFO 2012 !)
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To: ZX12R

There ya go! You get it.
Buy a cheap shotgun and a cheap handgun,
hand those over so that the JBTs get “something”.

You can’t shoot 5000 rounds in a day (usually), so keep those hidden somewhere.

If the 0bamites/communists decide to “trigger” their revolution, guerrilla tactics are going to be the way to go.


20 posted on 04/24/2012 11:24:34 AM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter knows whom he's working for)
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To: MrB; Travis McGee
So, you wouldn’t let them take what you have and simply die that night.

I like to think I'll have some caches stashed about. That is if I can ever recover my drowned guns at the bottom of the Gulf Stream from that tragic boating accident on Jan 21, 2009. Terrible.

And you also must think they can get everyone’s guns on the same night. Yep, they’re that good.

There's a reason they're referred to as Jack Booted Thugs. Final Solution

They're not going to get everybody's at the same time, but I would hazzard a guess that there are several lists and those lists have gradients based on several types of criteria, LIKE: NRA Life Member/Instructor, Gun Magazine subscriptions, CCW permit holders, especially those with long histories and over multiple states over the years; Former military, extra points if branched in the combat arms and still more for officers or senior enlisted. Special ops would be top of the list, of course. Other subscriptions to things like military mags or Soldier of Fortune. How about re-enactors? Or folks who ever participated in both IDPA or IPSC competitions? How about active in conservative political causes or active letter writers to the Editorial pages? How about freepers? Lemme tell you there are enough ways to factor down the 80 million gun owners into a couple of high priority lists that could be easily handled by special teams just as was apparent in 1938. If they get enough of us in the initial sweeps, the real sheep will crawl to their new masters with alacrity!

21 posted on 04/24/2012 1:25:15 PM PDT by ExSoldier (Stand up and be counted... OR LINE UP AND BE NUMBERED...)
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To: MrB; Travis McGee
So, you wouldn’t let them take what you have and simply die that night.

What makes you think they're going to just "take your stuff" and leave alive, kicking and free? If you declare war on a man, you never leave him alive and unharmed in your rear area so he can cause "field expedient" havoc later. Simple matter of strategy.

What do you think, Travis?

22 posted on 04/24/2012 1:30:10 PM PDT by ExSoldier (Stand up and be counted... OR LINE UP AND BE NUMBERED...)
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To: ExSoldier; MrB

The jackbooted thugs can’t all move onto federal property, it won’t happen. They live among us, and will continue to do so, so a firebase is not a correct comparison. They want to live normal lives, and it could get risky crossing the parking lot at Target. Or playing golf, or fishing. They don’t live in body armor.

One strategy is to have a couple of guns meant to be given up, an old revolver or two, say. And if they are taken, take that as a declaration of war.


23 posted on 04/24/2012 7:27:12 PM PDT by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: Travis McGee; ExSoldier

Seems I’m not so full of beans, after all.

Buy some cheap guns, a shotgun and a handgun and some ammo for them to make it look good. Have them available to give the JBTs, satisfying their “quota” for your house. Admire their MP5 and wonder (silently) if they keep it at home. Sure is purty.

The main thing is to REMAIN FREE and get the word out.
(Read the gun confiscation part of “Turner Diaries”)

Buy a “spare”, intentionally, to lend a person in need until they can acquire their own purty MP5.


24 posted on 04/25/2012 5:20:49 AM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter knows whom he's working for)
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To: MrB
Some folks may choose to go down in a blaze of glory during a SWAT gun confiscation raid. That's their option. I think it's smarter to take the gun confiscation as a personal declaration of war. Any LEO/FLEA who goes out on such raids will soon be made aware that many millions of Americans consider him a traitor to the oath he took to defend the Constitution from all enemies, foreign and domestic.

“I was just following orders” or “I'm not the departmental legal expert” or “I really need this LE paycheck” will not be acceptable excuses for treason.

25 posted on 04/25/2012 5:48:30 AM PDT by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: Travis McGee

I know it just IRKS THE CRAP out of some men to think about the idea of “just giving them my guns”. But to do otherwise is to be engaging them on THEIR terms, numbers, and timetable instead of YOURS.

If you “scenarioize” it out, though, you’ll have some giveaway guns, with your “good stuff” in a location not easily found, and then be able to take your time, organize, pick your targets and timetable, and make a much smarter resistance at a later time.


26 posted on 04/25/2012 5:54:09 AM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter knows whom he's working for)
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To: MrB

That is always an option. Some old/infirm folks may not be up to that, and they may decide to take out some traitors on the spot. Their call.


27 posted on 04/25/2012 5:58:26 AM PDT by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: MrB; Travis McGee
Buy some cheap guns, a shotgun and a handgun and some ammo for them to make it look good. Have them available to give the JBTs, satisfying their “quota” for your house. Admire their MP5 and wonder (silently) if they keep it at home. Sure is purty.

Actually that is a good idea and I already have some old POS "heirlooms" that will fill the bill, but that wasn't what you were suggesting at first, it seems to me.

The main thing is to REMAIN FREE and get the word out.(Read the gun confiscation part of “Turner Diaries”)

I don't hold much hope for that one. First, I remember Travis' EFAD series where the guy digs up an nice FN/FAL to use on the JBT's and they just killed him out of hand. Nobody at that moment of a nascent tyranny in the making is going to want to leave anybody who knows how to seriously handle a firearm, alive and well in their own rear area. Many folks will just disappear into the Gulags or just plain disappear forever. Remember the lists?

Buy a “spare”, intentionally, to lend a person in need until they can acquire their own purty MP5.

This isn't needed. You answered it in the second part of your post. It's a time honored doctrine of Special Forces. They call it "Trade Up." If you have a knife (or a rock) you can GET a handgun. If you have a handgun you can GET a battle rifle. If you have a battle rifle you can GET belt fed or a mortar or, heck any number or combination of the above. That's how you equip an insurgency. Live off the enemy. But don't waste your own resources to give to somebody who already lost theirs. Go directly to the source and Trade Up!

By the way, I apologize if I sounded "snippy" in my first reply. It's near the end of the school year and the little monsters are really driving me mad. I'm down to my last nerve and .... they're ON it.

28 posted on 04/25/2012 1:32:58 PM PDT by ExSoldier (Stand up and be counted... OR LINE UP AND BE NUMBERED...)
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