Posted on 04/24/2012 5:27:47 AM PDT by TurboZamboni
If the Supreme Court strikes down President Barack Obama's health care law, employers and insurance companies—not the government—will be the main drivers of change over the next decade and maybe even longer. They'll borrow some ideas from Obamacare, and push harder to cut costs.
Business can't and won't take care of America's 50 million uninsured, but for the majority with coverage, here's what experts say to expect:
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Up until the government getting involved, the industry managed and people had coverage.
I’d really like to see health care separated from the employee/employer relationship. You know, like car insurance is.
Duh...
I am skeptical of Anything written by the Associated Press.
...and available across state lines without all the state mandates.
And take the comparison even further: have health insurance do what car insurance does: pay ONLY for accidents. Pay for "maintenance" out of pocket. This would make health insurance much much much less expensive and much less bureaucratic. You know, like we used to have, and called it "major medical."
Well it always was available. But individual market rates are at least twice as high, as there is no employer paying half the premium.
But the proposed "Association Health Plans" allows trade associations and other organizations (like your church or credit union) to offer group rates.
Currently, only multi-state businesses or labor unions can do this.
I pay $156.00 p/month for a policy that covers 100% over the first $5,000. p/year...
How much do you pay p/yr for a policy that only covers up to 80% p/yr after you satisfy a high deductable???
And some of those have a ceiling to them...
I frankly don’t think people are going to be any more receptive to their employer or insurance company “nudging” them on their personal habits than they were about Barry and Moochelle trying to do it.
Why should they? The only reason they started offering health care was because of the wage freeze. They couldn't offer the best employees more money, so they offered them a benefit instead to get around the busybody politicians. It wasn't suppose to be for everyone.
Businesses aren't responsible for health care. Insurance companies are, and that's only for those who pay their premiums. Heath care is not a right. It's a privilege for those willing to work to buy it.
All the propaganda about health care being a "right" is nothing but a bold face lie passed around by the Washington control freaks who want to protect their own life of power and privilege at other peoples expense.
If you want health care - get a job and buy it yourself. No man should be used as another mans slave!
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—And take the comparison even further: have health insurance do what car insurance does: pay ONLY for accidents. Pay for “maintenance” out of pocket. —
Yep. I’ll add another: I can wave Comprehensive and Collision. Imagine being able to get health care insurance that did not cover Cancer or heart disease? It would be pretty cheap. And I don’t care about either of those. And my wife and I are almost 60. We really don’t need insurance that covers pregnancy.
—Well it always was available. But individual market rates are at least twice as high, —
I’ll bet they wouldn’t be if employers had never been part of it.
Not any more. My insurance company notified me in October, 2010 that starting Jan 1st. 2011 there will no longer be a life time max of $5,000,000 on my policy, due to obamacare law and that's one of the reasons they gave for raising my premium 30%. Another part of obamacare that went into effect at the same time was, coverage had to be extended to "children" to age 26.
Both of these things are already in effect.
If obamacare is stricken down by the S.C., will I get a refund? I won't be holding my breath.
Like all drivel and crap that comes from the left, we have to have ready responses to counter them.
Now is the time to put together alternative plans for how to handle health care issues in the US. Health care costs have to come down (I say this as a doc), but this has to happen in a manner that doesn't interfere with patient choice, physician autonomy in decision making, and the development of new therapies and technologies. That said, in my opinion there is no good ‘one size fits all’ solution. This is going to require a multi-layered approach that includes patient incentives.
They wouldn’t be if government had never been a part of it.
Most of the high premiums are because hospitals and providers make up for the pathetic reimbursement rates from medical welfare programs, by gouging you. (cost shifting)
It is another hidden incentive to not do business in the US. My parent company built a plant overseas because of the high taxes and high benefit costs in the US. They built it in France rather than in the Midwest.
If the law gets struck down, you will see a lot of companies lobbying to have true socialized health care.
Yeah, those mandates are a drop in the bucket of premium cost drivers. Insurance that doesn't cover anything shouldn't cost much.
And I don’t care about either of those.
You should.
If you expect someone to pay for your health care, they will take an interest in what you do to protect the investment.
—You should.—
What I care about is stuff like my rotator cuff surgery I had about 14 months ago. Broken bones, stuff like that. To use the car analogy, things like getting bearings replaced, fixing damage from accidents, stuff like that.
If the engine starts burning oil, or the body rusts out to the point that the struts break off the frame, it’s time to take this hulk to the junk yard.
My wife’s first husband died of Leukemia at age 27, leaving her with three VERY young children to support. That is a man that needed Cancer coverage in his health insurance. But I’m almost 60, my kids are all in their 20’s and 30’s, and my wife is set up. If I get cancer, I die. It happens. The Lord will take me when he wants me. I don’t need cancer insurance.
Heck, the last time I got a physical was in my late 30’s. Even if they were to catch it, I’d be so far gone it wouldn’t matter.
Life is a mist.
“For me, to die is gain.” - the apostle Paul.
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