Skip to comments.Dad rescues ‘brain dead’ son from doctors wishing to harvest his organs...
Posted on 04/26/2012 6:52:49 AM PDT by SumProVita
...boy recovers completely
Although a team of four physicians insisted that his son was brain-dead following the wreck, Thorpes father enlisted the help of a general practitioner and a neurologist, who demonstrated that his son still had brain wave activity. The doctors agreed to bring him out of the coma, and five weeks later Thorpe left the hospital, having almost completely recovered.
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The doctors should be charged with attempted murder. . . .
I heard someone on Catholic Answers (Jimmy Akin ?) say that “brain death” was invented to permit organ “harvesting.”
It gave me pause, considering that the AMA redefined conception from fertilization to implantation, so that the pill could be classified as a contraceptive.
I will not accept "donated" organs.
When God is done with me, here, He'll let me know. And I'm OK with that.
As time goes on and man’s knowledge increases, is the oldest or original definition of some things, always the best or most correct?
What if He wants you to have an organ donated from someone?
>When will these people learn to choose LIFE over the culture of death?<
When they are the one who is facing death. Then will life have meaning to them.
I will not sign up to be an organ “donor”.
I will not accept “donated” organs.
When God is done with me, here, He’ll let me know. And I’m OK with that.
I am presently listed on my DL as an organ donor, but I have come around to precisely your way of thinking, and will change that when it is renewed.
Can’t trust doctors, can’t trust cops. What a sick world we live in.
This is the exact reason that I do not have organ donor on my DL. My wife will make that decision if the situation arrises, not doctors.
You are right! I will not sign the organ-donor thing, either. It is ghoulish and there are abuses. I bet the hospitals get money for organs, too.
If you gut tells you he is wrong get a second opinion...
Years ago I got very sick from an intestinal "bug" for two weeks I got to the point I was literally crawling to the bathroom every 10 minutes I was so weak...
After multiple tests and nothing showed up as the cause...doctor admitted he didn't know what was wrong with me...but was glad I got better...LOL
Brain...damn near useless...
Working on the liver with bourbon......
Hurry up and get old, they don't like old peoples organs...
Do you refer to definitions that encompass such obsolete words like "marriage" or "murder?"
After years of indicating “organ donor” on my driver’s license, I had that removed at my most recent renewal in 2010. Don’t trust the new climate created by medical ‘ethicists’ and government bureaucrats.
If you believe they have changed, yes.
...of course, then you’ll go to the top of the list for euthanasia...
I also declined immediate surgery on my broken shoulder. They threw me out of the ER. I sure was a pretty sight in my hospital gown over my Motorcyle pants and boots sitting in the lobby waiting for my wife to come and get me.
you now, to be safe, need to put a specific NO DONOR on your license and/or with family and a 'Will to Live document - totally different from a 'living Will', the later of which can still be circumvented to get those organs.
If the taken of organs was not so lucrative, it wouldn't be be so prevalent. Follow the money.
Yes, I believe the new designation of 'brain dead' is not valid. They need to get the organs from a still living person - and so, the invention of 'brain dead." p>I suspicion that, if they are can harvest the person and make big bucks - they do not take any extra steps to save that person. I wouldn't care to be looked upon, not as a person to save, but for expensive spare parts.
And now, they have changed the driver's license criteria from a notification of "Organ Donor" to a PRESUMPTION of 'organ donor' in absense of a sticker, and can, in some cases, override the family.
"Brain dead" is NOT DEAD. Either work to save me or let me really die - do not look upon me as a factory to sell parts from.
Organ donation IS choosing life over death. It is precisely the point. I work part-time for an organ bank. My job, when called, is to make an evaluation if somebody meets criteria to move forward on donation.
I’ve helped save dozens of lives this way. While I do get paid a small amount, this part-time job represents about 2% of my annual salary. I’m not getting rich this way and it’s not why I do this job. I get called in the middle of the night and called away from meals and movies with my family. I do this job because it is a way for me to give back. Every time I respond to callback, I know that I am 1. possibly saving several people’s lives, and 2. giving some sense to a tragedy (healthy organs normally means a cause of death involving trauma to the brain.) In the months and years that follow a tragic death, donation often does wonders to help mitigate that loss. I personally know people that, months and years after losing their loved ones, discovered that the knowledge that their loved ones saved others lives helped them tremendously through the worst parts.
(One of my partners started working in this job because her son died in a bicycle wreck over a decade ago and had his organs donated. She wanted to see the other side of the decision-making process first hand. She is MORTIFIED now that she “almost” said no. She’s told me several times that she routinely thanks God for giving her the strength walk that valley of her life and make the right decisions.)
Almost every one of these articles posted here on freerepublic use lay terms that, put into context, aren’t compatible with the story being told. What normally happens is somebody has a sensational story to tell based on a narrative they created and, in the retelling, the story reaches media attention.
Let’s take this story. The father was fighting the doctors declaring his son brain dead after they “placed him in a medically induced coma”. After he opposed them, the let him come up out of the coma. These “facts” of this story aren’t compatible with each other.
“Coma” is a lay term; it’s not used professionally. What most people mean by coma is unconsciousness. If the doctors had to ‘induce’ unconsciousness, then somebody cannot be declared ‘brain dead’ at the same time. By definition, somebody brain-dead wouldn’t need to be induced into such a condition and there would be no mechanism to let it wear off, because it wasn’t introduced in the first place.
Now, this article is from Britain, and I cannot tell you the precise rules over there, but, in the United States, an independent third party (me), would never allow such a thing to happen.
IN THE UNITED STATES, organ procurement and organ transplantation has a firewall. The people doing each thing are separated. If I’m a doctor and I want an organ, I can’t find a matching body and declare them brain-dead. It doesn’t work that way.
In fact, on the procurement end, doctors begin to lose - and not make money - from the moment they notify us. A cynical doc wanting to make money would ‘milk’ a critical illness as long as possible.
In the case of donation, once we are officially involved, the account and all services transfer to us. We pay the bills, we receive a federally determined amount of money to stay in operation as a non-profit, and the transplant team ultimately pays us. The doctors on the donation end stop getting paid.
The OPO - organ procurement organization - is the referee. The OPO decides where the organs go and make the calls necessary to make it so. This happens after the doctors on the donation end are off the case and our team of nurses and doctors have taken over. Our team’s job is to get the right organs to the yet third team of docs on the transplant end (who will take over after we are off the case).
Organ donation saves tens of thousands of lives in the United States every year. It is very pro-life. It is endorsed by every major Christian denomination. Why? Most Christians are pro-life - and organ donation is actively consistent with that viewpoint.
I am not an organ donor and never will be. I have seen what these vultures do. In the funeral business I have had to put back together a jigsaw puzzle that I got from the hospital after they “harvested” the organs.
When my father in law was about to die, the people from C.O.R.E.(Center for Organ Recovery and Education) were drooling over him. I had to almost physically throw them out of his room. They were relentless.
Big big money in organs.
Oh and I almost forgot, I regard MD’s as some of the lowest form of life on earth. Not all, but most.
If I was going to be a donor, it would have to be after I was for sure dead and buried. That way, all they could use me for would be zombie or frankestein parts.
Organ donation IS choosing life over death.
The POINT of the article was not to bash organ donation per se...but rather to highlight the quick assumption of death on the part of some doctors.
The focus is on the culture of death.
I’m sure that the mother of this child thinks you are absolutely hilairious http://usnews.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2012/04/25/11383411-cops-2-held-after-boy-is-snatched-from-hospital-while-awaiting-heart-transplant?lite
And my cousin Liana who is waiting on a bone marrow transplant and my boyfriend who just got on a kidney transplant list all think you should be a stand-up comedian.
I’m sure that mother doesn’t even know or care if I exist...and have you really discussed this with Liana and your boyfriend? It’s only been a few minutes.
“brain dead” ping...
Lets keep in mind this article if from Britian.
Here in the US, a Dr isn’t going to declare a pt brain dead until after he has been seen by a Neurologist. The do several tests, including pouring cold water in the pt ear, taking the pt off the vent to see if they take any breaths on their own, etc. before that can be said.
Hmmm. You seeing anyone?
I'll call it. Bulls**t.
LOL lots of doctors....
You are AWESOME!!
That’s petty much my plan.
yeah I did, I was on the phone with Li while I was browsing comments, and Brian came out of the bathroom as I was reading it to Li over the phone. His exact phrase was “I’m sure this guy thought he was trying to be funny, but he came off sounding really stupid.” Liana said “What a moron”, and then told me her good news. They were able to find a bone marrow match for her, she’s really excited because this means she has a good chance of making it to her 25th birthday.
Also, when my father died, it was massive hart failure, and his organ had been without blood or oxygen by the time he got to the hospital, we were able to donate his eyes, some skin and bone marrow. The transplant networok forwarded us a letter from one of the recipients. It still makes me cry to this day.
I am an organ donor and I’m also planning on getting on the bone marrow registry.
Congratulations on the good news.
Well I guess she knows I exist. I’m flattered, but does she really care about my opinion? so I shouldn’t quit my job to become a stand-up comedian?
Thank you for that post.
We had to make this decision for our daughter, and I’ve often found these types of threads to be very troubling.
Luckily, I have a family member who occasionally participates in these surgeries and he has been able to reassure us.
I agree with Goat Granny.
If my organs did not work well enough to keep me alive, they have no business putting them in anyone else.
If I told you how many times I’ve seen old people with no family present at bedside who were operated upon purely for profit you would swear of physicians and change your diet, lose weight and get with the program.
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SumProVita - I'm certain that Life Site News allows full articles to be posted since wagglebee often does; maybe you could post it on the thread?
Seriously? What are you- a Lawyer?
Use a hole punch or a black Sharpie and change it now.
When it $top$ being profitable.......
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