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Dad rescues ‘brain dead’ son from doctors wishing to harvest his organs...
LifeSite News ^ | April 25, 2012 | Matthew Cullinan Hoffman

Posted on 04/26/2012 6:52:49 AM PDT by SumProVita

...boy recovers completely

Although a team of four physicians insisted that his son was “brain-dead” following the wreck, Thorpe’s father enlisted the help of a general practitioner and a neurologist, who demonstrated that his son still had brain wave activity. The doctors agreed to bring him out of the coma, and five weeks later Thorpe left the hospital, having almost completely recovered.

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; Front Page News; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: bioethics; braindead; brainwaveactivity; brainwaves; coma; england; life; livingwill; medicine; moralabsolutes; organdonation; organharvesting; organtransplants; prolife; transplantation; willtolive
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When will these people learn to choose LIFE over the culture of death?
1 posted on 04/26/2012 6:52:57 AM PDT by SumProVita
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To: SumProVita

The doctors should be charged with attempted murder. . . .


2 posted on 04/26/2012 6:56:02 AM PDT by DeaconRed (Cold War Veteran. . . . US Army Security Agency 1964-1968- I have now gone pecan.)
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To: SumProVita
In 2008, a 45-year-old Frenchman revived on the operating table as doctors prepared to “harvest” his organs for donation, following cardiac arrest.
3 posted on 04/26/2012 6:59:44 AM PDT by rawhide
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To: SumProVita

I heard someone on Catholic Answers (Jimmy Akin ?) say that “brain death” was invented to permit organ “harvesting.”

It gave me pause, considering that the AMA redefined conception from fertilization to implantation, so that the pill could be classified as a contraceptive.


4 posted on 04/26/2012 7:02:32 AM PDT by St_Thomas_Aquinas (Viva Christo Rey!)
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To: SumProVita
I will not sign up to be an organ "donor".

I will not accept "donated" organs.

When God is done with me, here, He'll let me know. And I'm OK with that.

5 posted on 04/26/2012 7:08:38 AM PDT by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilization is Aborting, Buggering, and Contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: St_Thomas_Aquinas

As time goes on and man’s knowledge increases, is the oldest or original definition of some things, always the best or most correct?


6 posted on 04/26/2012 7:10:18 AM PDT by stuartcr ("When silence speaks, it speaks only to those that have already decided what they want to hear.")
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To: ArrogantBustard

What if He wants you to have an organ donated from someone?


7 posted on 04/26/2012 7:11:21 AM PDT by stuartcr ("When silence speaks, it speaks only to those that have already decided what they want to hear.")
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To: SumProVita

>When will these people learn to choose LIFE over the culture of death?<

When they are the one who is facing death. Then will life have meaning to them.


8 posted on 04/26/2012 7:12:12 AM PDT by Lil Flower (American by birth. Southern by the Grace of God! ROLL TIDE!!)
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To: stuartcr

He doesn’t.


9 posted on 04/26/2012 7:13:02 AM PDT by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilization is Aborting, Buggering, and Contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: ArrogantBustard

I will not sign up to be an organ “donor”.
I will not accept “donated” organs.

When God is done with me, here, He’ll let me know. And I’m OK with that.

***************************

I am presently listed on my DL as an organ donor, but I have come around to precisely your way of thinking, and will change that when it is renewed.


10 posted on 04/26/2012 7:22:05 AM PDT by Psalm 144 ("I'm not willing to light my hair on fire to try and get support. I am who I am." - Willard M Romney)
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To: SumProVita

Can’t trust doctors, can’t trust cops. What a sick world we live in.


11 posted on 04/26/2012 7:22:11 AM PDT by Student0165 ("If they bring a knife to the fight, we bring a gun." Barack Hussein Obama)
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To: SumProVita

This is the exact reason that I do not have organ donor on my DL. My wife will make that decision if the situation arrises, not doctors.


12 posted on 04/26/2012 7:25:08 AM PDT by rightly_dividing (Newt 2012)
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To: ArrogantBustard

You are right! I will not sign the organ-donor thing, either. It is ghoulish and there are abuses. I bet the hospitals get money for organs, too.


13 posted on 04/26/2012 7:27:59 AM PDT by bboop (Without justice, what else is the State but a great band of robbers? St. Augustine)
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To: SumProVita
Learned a long time ago....most doctors have either major or minor god complex...

If you gut tells you he is wrong get a second opinion...

Years ago I got very sick from an intestinal "bug" for two weeks I got to the point I was literally crawling to the bathroom every 10 minutes I was so weak...

After multiple tests and nothing showed up as the cause...doctor admitted he didn't know what was wrong with me...but was glad I got better...LOL

14 posted on 04/26/2012 7:38:13 AM PDT by Popman (America is squandering its wealth on riotous living, war, and welfare.)
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To: SumProVita
This selfish greedy man has deprived that team of doctors a major amount of income by wanting to keep his son. They should sue him and his helpers for loss of income and emotional distress.s/
15 posted on 04/26/2012 7:43:58 AM PDT by fella ("As it was before Noah, so shall it be again.")
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To: ArrogantBustard

ok


16 posted on 04/26/2012 7:52:16 AM PDT by stuartcr ("When silence speaks, it speaks only to those that have already decided what they want to hear.")
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To: ArrogantBustard
Use up your organs so that they will be useless to harvest like I have......

Heart..Unstable angina

Lungs...COPD

Gastrointestinal tract....IBS

Skin....pustular psoriasis...

Brain...damn near useless...

Working on the liver with bourbon......

Hurry up and get old, they don't like old peoples organs...

17 posted on 04/26/2012 8:01:12 AM PDT by goat granny
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To: stuartcr
As time goes on and man’s knowledge increases, is the oldest or original definition of some things, always the best or most correct?

Do you refer to definitions that encompass such obsolete words like "marriage" or "murder?"

18 posted on 04/26/2012 8:03:29 AM PDT by Thommas (The snout of the camel is in the tent..)
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To: SumProVita

After years of indicating “organ donor” on my driver’s license, I had that removed at my most recent renewal in 2010. Don’t trust the new climate created by medical ‘ethicists’ and government bureaucrats.


19 posted on 04/26/2012 8:06:01 AM PDT by Will88
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To: Thommas

If you believe they have changed, yes.


20 posted on 04/26/2012 8:10:47 AM PDT by stuartcr ("When silence speaks, it speaks only to those that have already decided what they want to hear.")
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To: goat granny

...of course, then you’ll go to the top of the list for euthanasia...


21 posted on 04/26/2012 8:13:26 AM PDT by stuartcr ("When silence speaks, it speaks only to those that have already decided what they want to hear.")
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To: Will88
I wrecked my motorcycle in New Jersey in 2010. The EMT’s hauled me off to the ER. the First thing they wanted in the ER was for me to sign a consent form to donate my organs. I thought this was odd and declined.

I also declined immediate surgery on my broken shoulder. They threw me out of the ER. I sure was a pretty sight in my hospital gown over my Motorcyle pants and boots sitting in the lobby waiting for my wife to come and get me.

22 posted on 04/26/2012 8:14:46 AM PDT by sleepwalker (Palin 2012)
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To: ArrogantBustard
I will not sign up to be an organ "donor".

you now, to be safe, need to put a specific NO DONOR on your license and/or with family and a 'Will to Live document - totally different from a 'living Will', the later of which can still be circumvented to get those organs.

If the taken of organs was not so lucrative, it wouldn't be be so prevalent. Follow the money.

Yes, I believe the new designation of 'brain dead' is not valid. They need to get the organs from a still living person - and so, the invention of 'brain dead." p>I suspicion that, if they are can harvest the person and make big bucks - they do not take any extra steps to save that person. I wouldn't care to be looked upon, not as a person to save, but for expensive spare parts.

And now, they have changed the driver's license criteria from a notification of "Organ Donor" to a PRESUMPTION of 'organ donor' in absense of a sticker, and can, in some cases, override the family.

"Brain dead" is NOT DEAD. Either work to save me or let me really die - do not look upon me as a factory to sell parts from.

23 posted on 04/26/2012 8:18:26 AM PDT by maine-iac7
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To: SumProVita

Organ donation IS choosing life over death. It is precisely the point. I work part-time for an organ bank. My job, when called, is to make an evaluation if somebody meets criteria to move forward on donation.

I’ve helped save dozens of lives this way. While I do get paid a small amount, this part-time job represents about 2% of my annual salary. I’m not getting rich this way and it’s not why I do this job. I get called in the middle of the night and called away from meals and movies with my family. I do this job because it is a way for me to give back. Every time I respond to callback, I know that I am 1. possibly saving several people’s lives, and 2. giving some sense to a tragedy (healthy organs normally means a cause of death involving trauma to the brain.) In the months and years that follow a tragic death, donation often does wonders to help mitigate that loss. I personally know people that, months and years after losing their loved ones, discovered that the knowledge that their loved ones saved others lives helped them tremendously through the worst parts.

(One of my partners started working in this job because her son died in a bicycle wreck over a decade ago and had his organs donated. She wanted to see the other side of the decision-making process first hand. She is MORTIFIED now that she “almost” said no. She’s told me several times that she routinely thanks God for giving her the strength walk that valley of her life and make the right decisions.)

Almost every one of these articles posted here on freerepublic use lay terms that, put into context, aren’t compatible with the story being told. What normally happens is somebody has a sensational story to tell based on a narrative they created and, in the retelling, the story reaches media attention.

Let’s take this story. The father was fighting the doctors declaring his son brain dead after they “placed him in a medically induced coma”. After he opposed them, the let him come up out of the coma. These “facts” of this story aren’t compatible with each other.

“Coma” is a lay term; it’s not used professionally. What most people mean by coma is unconsciousness. If the doctors had to ‘induce’ unconsciousness, then somebody cannot be declared ‘brain dead’ at the same time. By definition, somebody brain-dead wouldn’t need to be induced into such a condition and there would be no mechanism to let it wear off, because it wasn’t introduced in the first place.

Now, this article is from Britain, and I cannot tell you the precise rules over there, but, in the United States, an independent third party (me), would never allow such a thing to happen.

IN THE UNITED STATES, organ procurement and organ transplantation has a firewall. The people doing each thing are separated. If I’m a doctor and I want an organ, I can’t find a matching body and declare them brain-dead. It doesn’t work that way.

In fact, on the procurement end, doctors begin to lose - and not make money - from the moment they notify us. A cynical doc wanting to make money would ‘milk’ a critical illness as long as possible.

In the case of donation, once we are officially involved, the account and all services transfer to us. We pay the bills, we receive a federally determined amount of money to stay in operation as a non-profit, and the transplant team ultimately pays us. The doctors on the donation end stop getting paid.

The OPO - organ procurement organization - is the referee. The OPO decides where the organs go and make the calls necessary to make it so. This happens after the doctors on the donation end are off the case and our team of nurses and doctors have taken over. Our team’s job is to get the right organs to the yet third team of docs on the transplant end (who will take over after we are off the case).

Organ donation saves tens of thousands of lives in the United States every year. It is very pro-life. It is endorsed by every major Christian denomination. Why? Most Christians are pro-life - and organ donation is actively consistent with that viewpoint.


24 posted on 04/26/2012 8:26:58 AM PDT by ziravan (Are you better off now than you were $9.4 Trillion dollars ago?)
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To: SumProVita

I am not an organ donor and never will be. I have seen what these vultures do. In the funeral business I have had to put back together a jigsaw puzzle that I got from the hospital after they “harvested” the organs.

When my father in law was about to die, the people from C.O.R.E.(Center for Organ Recovery and Education) were drooling over him. I had to almost physically throw them out of his room. They were relentless.

Big big money in organs.


25 posted on 04/26/2012 8:35:14 AM PDT by cork
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To: stuartcr
they have to get me into a hospital first.....too old to be a donor. I did sign up to be a donor for bone marrow. Once was sent to hospital out patient for a second test for compatibility...not close enough but they take you off the list at 65.
26 posted on 04/26/2012 8:36:32 AM PDT by goat granny
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To: cork

Oh and I almost forgot, I regard MD’s as some of the lowest form of life on earth. Not all, but most.


27 posted on 04/26/2012 8:37:55 AM PDT by cork
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To: goat granny

If I was going to be a donor, it would have to be after I was for sure dead and buried. That way, all they could use me for would be zombie or frankestein parts.


28 posted on 04/26/2012 8:40:50 AM PDT by stuartcr ("When silence speaks, it speaks only to those that have already decided what they want to hear.")
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To: ziravan

Organ donation IS choosing life over death.

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The POINT of the article was not to bash organ donation per se...but rather to highlight the quick assumption of death on the part of some doctors.

The focus is on the culture of death.


29 posted on 04/26/2012 8:48:57 AM PDT by SumProVita (Cogito, ergo...Sum Pro Vita. (Modified Decartes))
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To: stuartcr

So funny!
I’m sure that the mother of this child thinks you are absolutely hilairious http://usnews.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2012/04/25/11383411-cops-2-held-after-boy-is-snatched-from-hospital-while-awaiting-heart-transplant?lite
And my cousin Liana who is waiting on a bone marrow transplant and my boyfriend who just got on a kidney transplant list all think you should be a stand-up comedian.


30 posted on 04/26/2012 9:05:17 AM PDT by chae (I was anti-Obama before it was cool)
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To: chae

I’m sure that mother doesn’t even know or care if I exist...and have you really discussed this with Liana and your boyfriend? It’s only been a few minutes.


31 posted on 04/26/2012 9:20:43 AM PDT by stuartcr ("When silence speaks, it speaks only to those that have already decided what they want to hear.")
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To: wagglebee

“brain dead” ping...


32 posted on 04/26/2012 9:35:45 AM PDT by TheSarce (Reject Socialism. Champion Liberty.)
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To: SumProVita

Lets keep in mind this article if from Britian.

Here in the US, a Dr isn’t going to declare a pt brain dead until after he has been seen by a Neurologist. The do several tests, including pouring cold water in the pt ear, taking the pt off the vent to see if they take any breaths on their own, etc. before that can be said.


33 posted on 04/26/2012 9:36:48 AM PDT by JRochelle (Note to the MSM: Unemployment has been higher under every month of Obama than any month under Bush.)
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To: goat granny
Heart..Unstable angina Lungs...COPD Gastrointestinal tract....IBS Skin....pustular psoriasis... Brain...damn near useless... Working on the liver with bourbon......

Hmmm. You seeing anyone?

34 posted on 04/26/2012 9:40:46 AM PDT by TangoLimaSierra (To the left the truth looks Right-Wing.)
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To: cork
When my father in law was about to die, the people from C.O.R.E.(Center for Organ Recovery and Education) were drooling over him. I had to almost physically throw them out of his room. They were relentless.

I'll call it. Bulls**t.

35 posted on 04/26/2012 9:41:06 AM PDT by JRochelle (Note to the MSM: Unemployment has been higher under every month of Obama than any month under Bush.)
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To: TangoLimaSierra
***Hmmm. You seeing anyone?****

LOL lots of doctors....

36 posted on 04/26/2012 9:47:26 AM PDT by goat granny
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Don’t Let Him Get Away With It!

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37 posted on 04/26/2012 9:58:07 AM PDT by TheOldLady (FReepmail me to get ON or OFF the ZOT LIGHTNING ping list)
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To: goat granny

You are AWESOME!!

That’s petty much my plan.


38 posted on 04/26/2012 10:03:47 AM PDT by Lurker (The avalanche has begun. The pebbles no longer have a vote.)
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To: SumProVita

BFL


39 posted on 04/26/2012 10:20:25 AM PDT by Skooz (Gabba Gabba we accept you we accept you one of us Gabba Gabba we accept you we accept you one of us)
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To: stuartcr

yeah I did, I was on the phone with Li while I was browsing comments, and Brian came out of the bathroom as I was reading it to Li over the phone. His exact phrase was “I’m sure this guy thought he was trying to be funny, but he came off sounding really stupid.” Liana said “What a moron”, and then told me her good news. They were able to find a bone marrow match for her, she’s really excited because this means she has a good chance of making it to her 25th birthday.
Also, when my father died, it was massive hart failure, and his organ had been without blood or oxygen by the time he got to the hospital, we were able to donate his eyes, some skin and bone marrow. The transplant networok forwarded us a letter from one of the recipients. It still makes me cry to this day.
I am an organ donor and I’m also planning on getting on the bone marrow registry.


40 posted on 04/26/2012 11:39:47 AM PDT by chae (I was anti-Obama before it was cool)
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To: chae

Congratulations on the good news.

Well I guess she knows I exist. I’m flattered, but does she really care about my opinion? so I shouldn’t quit my job to become a stand-up comedian?


41 posted on 04/26/2012 11:46:39 AM PDT by stuartcr ("When silence speaks, it speaks only to those that have already decided what they want to hear.")
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To: ziravan

Thank you for that post.

We had to make this decision for our daughter, and I’ve often found these types of threads to be very troubling.
Luckily, I have a family member who occasionally participates in these surgeries and he has been able to reassure us.


42 posted on 04/26/2012 12:15:26 PM PDT by Scotswife
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To: stuartcr

I agree with Goat Granny.

If my organs did not work well enough to keep me alive, they have no business putting them in anyone else.


43 posted on 04/26/2012 12:18:24 PM PDT by Petruchio (I Think . . . Therefor I FReep.)
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To: Petruchio

Iagree also.


44 posted on 04/26/2012 1:00:44 PM PDT by stuartcr ("When silence speaks, it speaks only to those that have already decided what they want to hear.")
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To: fella

If I told you how many times I’ve seen old people with no family present at bedside who were operated upon purely for profit you would swear of physicians and change your diet, lose weight and get with the program.


45 posted on 04/26/2012 1:16:21 PM PDT by STD ([You must help] people in the communityÂ…feel so frustrated, so defeated, so lost, so futureless)
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To: STD

OFF


46 posted on 04/26/2012 1:17:41 PM PDT by STD ([You must help] people in the communityÂ…feel so frustrated, so defeated, so lost, so futureless)
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To: SumProVita; 185JHP; 230FMJ; AKA Elena; APatientMan; Albion Wilde; Aleighanne; Alexander Rubin; ...
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SumProVita - I'm certain that Life Site News allows full articles to be posted since wagglebee often does; maybe you could post it on the thread?

47 posted on 04/26/2012 1:40:53 PM PDT by little jeremiah (We will have to go through hell to get out of hell. Signed, a fanatic)
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To: cork
"Oh and I almost forgot, I regard MD’s as some of the lowest form of life on earth. Not all, but most. "

Seriously? What are you- a Lawyer?

48 posted on 04/26/2012 1:50:51 PM PDT by Mr. K (If Romney wins the primary, I am writing-in PALIN)
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To: Psalm 144
I have come around to precisely your way of thinking, and will change that when it is renewed.

Use a hole punch or a black Sharpie and change it now.

49 posted on 04/26/2012 2:33:04 PM PDT by HKMk23 (GOPe 2012 MITT HAPPENS)
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To: SumProVita
When will these people learn to choose LIFE over the culture of death?

When it $top$ being profitable.......

50 posted on 04/26/2012 3:30:55 PM PDT by metmom ( For freedom Christ has set us free; stand firm therefore & do not submit again to a yoke of slavery)
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