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Why Johnny Can't Pay
Pittsburgh Tribune-Review ^ | Peter Morici

Posted on 05/06/2012 3:17:38 PM PDT by OrioleFan

Young people face a cruel irony. Most can't land a decent job without a college education, yet many graduates are locked into poorly paying positions that don't permit repayment of student loans.

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Professor Morici states the truth about Student Loans, and Liberal Education.
1 posted on 05/06/2012 3:17:40 PM PDT by OrioleFan
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To: OrioleFan
The author could mention alternatives, such as trade schools or enlisting.
2 posted on 05/06/2012 3:23:39 PM PDT by TwelveOfTwenty (With choices like Palin, Cain, and Bachmann, what could go wrong? Now we know.)
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To: OrioleFan

Let’s see if I have this right: Young folks can’t a job without a college education and can’t pay for it they do.

Would this not suggest taking a different course of action?


3 posted on 05/06/2012 3:29:05 PM PDT by count-your-change (You don't have to be brilliant, not being stupid is enough.)
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To: OrioleFan

Rule 1: Any degree who’s title ends in the word “Studies” is an absolute worthless fraud.


4 posted on 05/06/2012 3:29:46 PM PDT by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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To: OrioleFan

Great post. Thank you.

There really is an “education bubble” and it also has been caused by the fascist/communist/socialist/progressive/Marxist/Stalinist/liberal and moreover completely illegal illegitimate government.


5 posted on 05/06/2012 3:32:25 PM PDT by Weirdad (Don't put up with ANY voter fraud...)
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To: TwelveOfTwenty

I have a cousin who is a licensed contractor as an electrician. He never intended to be one. It’s just that his college screwed up his registration papers for his degree in business mgmt and didn’t want to waste time so he went to technical college. Fast forward, he pretty much owns the contracts for condos and business companies in downtown.

His only problem is dealing with corrupt, scum city inspectors every time they inspect a business and dwelling whose electrical stuff he was sent to fix.


6 posted on 05/06/2012 3:42:37 PM PDT by max americana
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To: count-your-change

I think what the author is saying is students who take the easy way out (the I went to college and got a meaningless piece of paper crowd) should expect a job that won’t cover their student loans.


7 posted on 05/06/2012 4:05:57 PM PDT by OrioleFan (Republicans believe every day is July 4th, Democrats believe every day is April 15th.)
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To: OrioleFan
It's not that Johnny can't read, it's that Johnny can't think. Johnny confuses feeling with thinking, and that is the real damage of a liberal education. The money he can eventually get over, but feeling instead of thinking will cripple him forever.
8 posted on 05/06/2012 4:13:55 PM PDT by calljack (Sometimes your worst nightmare is just a start.)
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To: TwelveOfTwenty

My High School had an excellent shop, and a student run cannery. Unfortunately, it didn’t teach calculus which put me behind everyone at the Air Force Academy in ‘69. But I could weld, sweat a joint, and basically build anything.


9 posted on 05/06/2012 4:13:55 PM PDT by OrioleFan (Republicans believe every day is July 4th, Democrats believe every day is April 15th.)
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To: DuncanWaring

Bingo!


10 posted on 05/06/2012 4:14:45 PM PDT by IAMIUBU
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To: OrioleFan
"Most can't land a decent job without with a college education,..." During the mid-'70s, I helped to build houses half of each day in a building trades school--part of a high school vo./tech. program. We did all of the work, including electrical and plumbing. There were also auto mechanics schools.

Now, I live in a very sparsely populated county, where it is illegal to manufacture anything--no matter how small the operation--or to work on vehicles (zoning).

Have fun. Enjoy the slide. Young folks will be allowed to compete in business again, when most of us Baby Boomers (mostly socialist NIMBYs) are dead and out of politics.


11 posted on 05/06/2012 4:16:07 PM PDT by familyop ("Wanna cigarette? You're never too young to start." --Deacon, "Waterworld")
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To: TwelveOfTwenty

Four or five years ago, when these young people started college, it was an intelligent investment. Many astute people did not anticipate that the world would change utterly in the fall of 2008 and that a college education would no longer be a ticket to a good job.

Even today, it’s hard to predict what might happen. I took career training for something that was supposed to get me a good job. I investigated carefully before embarking on the training. Yes indeed, employers I talked to were desperate, and were waving money at me—just show up with a certification in your paw, they said, and we’ll give you a job. A federal government ruling changed that, and I’m now out the training money and the employers aren’t hiring for those jobs anymore.

So it’s a crapshoot, and I don’t think it’s fair to criticize today’s young people for not figuring out that the economy was going to collapse and not come back.


12 posted on 05/06/2012 4:16:55 PM PDT by ottbmare (The OTTB Mare)
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To: OrioleFan

I have two college degrees and I can’t find a job.

How am I to pay for government giveaways to baby boomers when baby boomers won’t hire me?

Just another day in Obamaland. :)


13 posted on 05/06/2012 4:19:43 PM PDT by Tzimisce (THIS SUCKS)
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To: count-your-change

See Griggs v Duke Power.

Used to be an employer could ask you to prove your abilities. Now the university education is the substitute.


14 posted on 05/06/2012 4:24:58 PM PDT by Ouderkirk (Democrats...the party of Slavery, Segregation, Sodomy, and Sedition)
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To: Tzimisce

I was training to operate an analyst workstation on imaging flights over the Gulf oil spill untill Obama went for that photo-op swim in Pensacola Bay (part not affected by the spill) to send a message to the Coast Guard he wanted the Oil Spill off the front page. Coast Guard cancelled our contract and I was laid off. No one wants a 60-yr old programmer anymore.


15 posted on 05/06/2012 4:27:02 PM PDT by OrioleFan (Republicans believe every day is July 4th, Democrats believe every day is April 15th.)
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To: OrioleFan

College loans should be solely based upon future results. If you’re taking an engineering course, you’re far more likely to find a job which would result in repayment of that loan. If you’re taking Ethnic Studies, you’re most likely going to spend nearly a decade racking up student loans and exit college with a prestigious degree in a hobby with no economic worth.

But this is all immaterial. The core truth is that federally backed student loans are a subsidy to colleges to further the liberal agenda within those colleges. They tend to go towards the least useful degrees and programs, supporting departments and chairs that wouldn’t exist otherwise. Only problem is millions of young people are being more directly saddled with this future debt, rather than simply hidden in a mounting deficit.

That’s right, young people, you were lied to. Get used to it.


16 posted on 05/06/2012 4:29:03 PM PDT by kingu (Everything starts with slashing the size and scope of the federal government.)
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To: ottbmare
Four or five years ago, when these young people started college, it was an intelligent investment.

Classes that taught an employable trade, yes. Liberal arts classes about LGBT studies for example, no.

So it’s a crapshoot, and I don’t think it’s fair to criticize today’s young people for not figuring out that the economy was going to collapse and not come back.

From this link, "As millions of young Americans struggle to land jobs, students in manufacturing trade schools are sitting in a sweet spot. They're being hired even before they graduate."

I'm sorry for the students who got into debt over some unmarketable liberal arts degrees, but they either needed to figure out or be told that they need marketable skills. That goes back to my original point, which was basically that we need to stop talking gloom and doom, and start talking alternatives, which are out there.

17 posted on 05/06/2012 4:31:23 PM PDT by TwelveOfTwenty (With choices like Palin, Cain, and Bachmann, what could go wrong? Now we know.)
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To: OrioleFan

These days when kids graduate from College they have no work experience. The illegal aliens have taken all the part time jobs that students used to take and most of these kids today think it is beneath them to work at McDonalds or Taco Bell and they borrow money rather than work their way through college and pay for most of it themselves.

Then when they get out of college with their worthless degrees and their $2000 a month student loan payments, the only full time introductory level jobs that they are qualified for are the jobs at McDonalds and Taco Bell that are all filled by the illegal aliens.


18 posted on 05/06/2012 4:51:58 PM PDT by P-Marlowe (Virgil Goode! Because everyone else is Bad!)
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To: OrioleFan

Well in a couple of years I’ll be paying for your healthcare and your retirement and you won’t have to worry about working.

And I’ll probably still be working at McDonald’s calling the high school drop out manager “sir”.


19 posted on 05/06/2012 4:57:34 PM PDT by Tzimisce (THIS SUCKS)
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To: Tzimisce

Far East is looking for Americans to teach English. You do not have to know the language of host nation, because the students you teach cannot speak in their native language. The contract is usually one year with room and board. Some Americans stay after several years because the Far East is where most of the wealth of the world is transferring to, and with it job and business opportunities. Worth checking out. If you are young and not averse to living in a foreign country for one year, check out the opportunity.


20 posted on 05/06/2012 5:08:26 PM PDT by Fee
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To: ottbmare

A degree in Womyn’s Studies or LGBTWQIA Studies has NEVER been a good investment.


21 posted on 05/06/2012 5:11:45 PM PDT by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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To: TwelveOfTwenty

There is always the commie alternative. Go to work for the federal government and get your loans forgiven.


22 posted on 05/06/2012 5:13:36 PM PDT by ChildOfThe60s (If you can remember the 60s....you weren't really there)
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To: Tzimisce

Oh spare me the baby boomer BS. When we were in college we worked our way through. We did not have day care, food stamps, or welfare to live on. And if it was available we were too proud to take it. If we didn’t have tuition we worked until we got it. Education today is mostly basket weaving and an college is just an escape for the gimmie group. Those who really want an education (profession) are getting one and are employable paying their loans back.

As far as paying for the baby boomer’s health care and care in general. The baby boomer worked their entire life and paid into that fund. Talk to the politicians that stole that money.


23 posted on 05/06/2012 5:37:18 PM PDT by Snoopers-868th
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To: Tzimisce

I went ahead and retired and I pay my own healthcare and use my own retirement. I’m one of those who planned that Socialist Security wasn’t going to be around, and if it was, it would be icing on the cake.


24 posted on 05/06/2012 5:56:29 PM PDT by OrioleFan (Republicans believe every day is July 4th, Democrats believe every day is April 15th.)
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To: TwelveOfTwenty
The author could mention alternatives, such as trade schools or enlisting.

I know a guy who wanted to be a fireman as a youngster. He took a lot of razzing from classmates who were going on to college to get degrees, many in various liberal specialties (Womyns Studies, Black Studies, Environmental Analysis....).

So after high school he found some kind of trade school, attended and became an entry level fireman.

Now he has moved up in the ranks, makes well into the six figures, and more importantly, is doing what he wanted with his life.

Many of his former classmates are still wandering from one fast food job to another complaining that no one is hiring in their specialty. And they also have big college loans to pay off if they ever do land a decent job. He loves telling his story and gets a good chuckle every time he does.


25 posted on 05/06/2012 5:57:11 PM PDT by Iron Munro (If Repub's paid as much attention to Rush Limbaugh as the Dem's do, we wouldn't be in this mess)
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To: OrioleFan

If you majored in electrical engineering, bio-tech, & nano technology instead of feminist poetry and art history of origami, it wouldn’t be a “bad” economy it would be a good one.

It’s your weak, low-yield unhelpful “Labor Studies” Major that’s the problem - it’s not the “economy” nor your student “debt” burden.

It would be a great economy for you if you’d picked pharmacology and molecular biology, not the Dog in Cinema.

It’s your major, stupid! Or get some useful, valued training in auto technology — not La Raza Studies. Good luck marketing THAT major. No consumers want that, they want their PC, plumbing, or car fixed, a nice meal from an agribusiness and cheap abundant energy for their home A/C.


26 posted on 05/06/2012 6:14:56 PM PDT by 4Liberty (88% of Americans are NON-UNION. We value honest, peaceful Free trade-NOT protectionist CARTELS)
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To: ottbmare

You hit on a very important topic.

Government interference in the job market and over-certification of education

Face it folks Goals 2000 works to cripple people

Credential creep is here. Now NPs need to be Doctorates

Now phycial therapists need to be doctorates.

One cannot faht in the wind without a state credential.

Onc cannot move around the country with the credentials because we are actually more like medievil guilds now than capitalist competitors.


27 posted on 05/06/2012 6:24:32 PM PDT by Chickensoup (In the 20th century 200 million people were killed by their own governments.)
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To: OrioleFan
Why Johnny Can't Pay

Young people face a cruel irony. Most can't land a decent job without a college education, yet many graduates are locked into poorly paying positions that don't permit repayment of student loans.

Then Johnny should have gone to a voc or tech school and learned a hard skill that a prospective employer might be looking for that pays a better wage, and would have been cheaper besides.

At the very least, Johnny could start his own business revolving around his skills and maybe end up rich enough to afford to send his kids to school without them incurring crippling debt.

Johnny could also fail, but that's life, and that's not ironic, that's just the way it is.

28 posted on 05/06/2012 6:39:57 PM PDT by and so? (If it angers you, a sarcasm or irony tag after everything I post should be assumed)
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To: Chickensoup

I run three programs at a local community college (two year degrees.)
Power Plant operator which averages in around $62k per year with jobs starting at least $50k. 9 of the last 10 graduates already have jobs. 9 power plants within 75 miles of our college. The power companies help me recruit for the program. I have one student who just started. He has his BS in Biology and Chemistry and could not find a job so he is now in my program.

Electric line worker program just started. No graduates until next year. These graduates will make more than the power plant operators.

Advanced manufacturing is also very new. Indiana has a larger percent of its workforce in manufacturing than any other state.


29 posted on 05/06/2012 6:45:28 PM PDT by american_ranger
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To: american_ranger

are these people credentialed with state licenses?


30 posted on 05/06/2012 6:48:27 PM PDT by Chickensoup (In the 20th century 200 million people were killed by their own governments.)
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To: Chickensoup

“One cannot faht in the wind without a state credential.”

Right about that! Some guy in NC wrote a blog about his personal experiences with diabetes, and recommended that patients watch their diet and get their blood sugar checked frequently. WELL, that pissed off the NC dietitians, who complained to the state, which threatened him with possible prosecution for practicing nutrition without a license. I think he wound up taking down his blog -talk about medieval guilds...1284 meets 1984! Of course, NC is just one more place I have absolutely NO intention of visiting;)


31 posted on 05/06/2012 7:24:14 PM PDT by Frank_2001
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To: DuncanWaring

Well, I am obviously not talking about a degree in women’s studies or some other stupid field. Or even something arty. The point is, a college degree used to be a document proving that you could stick with something for four years, that you knew about Western Civilization, that you could write and think and speak. That’s no longer true, of course. But five years ago you could get a job with a liberal arts degree, and parents and high school counselors and teachers were urging all kids to go to college. You can’t expect kids to figure out what most of the movers and shakers in the business world didn’t anticipate. Kids who were 17 five years ago weren’t in a position to say, “Hm, I’m a high school senior now, and after analyzing markets and politics and economics I think there’s probably going to be a worldwide economic collapse so that a degree won’t do me any good. But as boring and horrible as machining sounds (whatever that is) I’m going to study it because apparently there will be a resurgence in it in 2012.”


32 posted on 05/06/2012 7:46:55 PM PDT by ottbmare (The OTTB Mare)
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To: Snoopers-868th

Pinging ErnBativia to Snoopers-868th’s #23. (It seems he’s one of us0.

Oh what the heck, I’ll just repost the whole thing:

“Oh spare me the baby boomer BS. When we were in college we worked our way through. We did not have day care, food stamps, or welfare to live on. And if it was available we were too proud to take it. If we didn’t have tuition we worked until we got it. Education today is mostly basket weaving and an college is just an escape for the gimmie group. Those who really want an education (profession) are getting one and are employable paying their loans back”.

“As far as paying for the baby boomer’s health care and care in general. The baby boomer worked their entire life and paid into that fund. Talk to the politicians that stole that money”.

As you know Ern, technically, I’m not a boomer, having been born between V.E. day and V.J. day, I’m a tad long in the tooth to be a boomer.

I’ve been on S.S. for about 4 years now and Medicare for a year and a half. I’m hoping to live long enough to get back as much as I paid in, if I make it that long, I can hope to live long enough to get back what my employer paid in on my behalf.


33 posted on 05/06/2012 7:59:23 PM PDT by Graybeard58 (Romney vs. Obama? One of them has to lose, rejoice in that fact, whichever it is.)
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To: Snoopers-868th; ErnBatavia

Pinging ErnBatavia to Snoopers-868th’s #23. (It seems he’s one of us0.

Oh what the heck, I’ll just repost the whole thing:

“Oh spare me the baby boomer BS. When we were in college we worked our way through. We did not have day care, food stamps, or welfare to live on. And if it was available we were too proud to take it. If we didn’t have tuition we worked until we got it. Education today is mostly basket weaving and an college is just an escape for the gimmie group. Those who really want an education (profession) are getting one and are employable paying their loans back”.

“As far as paying for the baby boomer’s health care and care in general. The baby boomer worked their entire life and paid into that fund. Talk to the politicians that stole that money”.

As you know Ern, technically, I’m not a boomer, having been born between V.E. day and V.J. day, I’m a tad long in the tooth to be a boomer.

I’ve been on S.S. for about 4 years now and Medicare for a year and a half. I’m hoping to live long enough to get back as much as I paid in, if I make it that long, I can hope to live long enough to get back what my employer paid in on my behalf.


34 posted on 05/06/2012 8:00:30 PM PDT by Graybeard58 (Romney vs. Obama? One of them has to lose, rejoice in that fact, whichever it is.)
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To: OrioleFan

“Young people face a cruel irony. Most can’t land a decent job without a college education, yet many graduates are locked into poorly paying positions that don’t permit repayment of student loans.”

Um, the “professor” should know that the above is an example of a paradox, not irony.

See, I went to college, too. And I paid back my student loan within five years. And I didn’t whine about it.

Get ready. All these articles are softening us up for student loan forgiveness. (But there’s no forgiveness for us, the taxpayers. We’ll wind up paying for them.)


35 posted on 05/06/2012 8:12:33 PM PDT by Blue Ink
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To: TwelveOfTwenty
Not a bad path for many, but the trades aren't a sure thing. Lots of tradesmen from south of border and coming up and dropping wages. Some crews will not hire you if you can't speak Spainish.
36 posted on 05/06/2012 8:19:08 PM PDT by redgolum ("God is dead" -- Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" -- God.)
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To: P-Marlowe
Next year I'll be graduating my third child from college in five years. All three have had steady jobs to help pay for their educations all through school. No problem with aliens. My middle daughter who majored in Spanish got quite familiar with them when they came in to buy breakfast and coffee from their jobs on the road crews.

I think it would be plain foolish for a student in this day and age not to get some real world work experience. A future employer will be more impressed by that than by an extra course in urban studies.

37 posted on 05/06/2012 8:20:33 PM PDT by hinckley buzzard
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To: Tzimisce

If one of your degrees is a master’s, check the local community college. Here in the D/FW area, the CC systems are paying between $34 - $40 per classroom hour, the schedules are flexible, the vacations are unpaid and frequent, and the schools definitely need more conservative instructors. If you can tolerate being a state employee w/o benefits.


38 posted on 05/06/2012 8:40:20 PM PDT by Stegall Tx (Living off your tax dollars can be kinda fun, but not terribly profitable.)
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To: Snoopers-868th
As far as paying for the baby boomer’s health care and care in general. The baby boomer worked their entire life and paid into that fund. Talk to the politicians that stole that money.

You paid in 20 bucks, now you want 20k. And one of my fellow "conservatives" is telling me this.

It really is Obamaland. :)
39 posted on 05/06/2012 9:14:46 PM PDT by Tzimisce (THIS SUCKS)
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To: OrioleFan; TwelveOfTwenty

The cost of college has also sky-rocketed, increasing way faster than inflation


40 posted on 05/07/2012 12:28:49 AM PDT by Cronos (**Marriage is about commitment, cohabitation is about convenience.**)
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To: Blue Ink

Obama’s staff will probably figure out how to forgive student loans to buy votes in November.


41 posted on 05/07/2012 1:03:03 AM PDT by OrioleFan (Republicans believe every day is July 4th, Democrats believe every day is April 15th.)
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To: Tzimisce
I have two college degrees and I can’t find a job.

Well, there's your problem. You know too much. You're over qualified ;-)

42 posted on 05/07/2012 4:51:54 AM PDT by varon (The Patriots stand watch!)
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To: Tzimisce; Graybeard58; ErnBatavia

I can tell you I paid in a whole lot more than 20 bucks. Sadly, that money was used to pay for drunks, dopers and fake disabilities of many types, none of which I had a say in.

I love my SS and look forward to seeing my money come back home each month. Maybe if your drunk doper buddies hadn’t been allowed to dip in and disabilities were kept separate as they had been you wouldn’t be bitching today.

Yes Obamaland sure is alive and thriving as you wish us to just die so you can have what you believe you deserve at least in an inheritance. Until then you will take advantage of every single tax break or free program you are qualified for. So what’s the difference?

With two college degrees finding a job should be no problem unless they are degrees in basketweaving or some other wasteful use of a brain. Try some manual labor.

Cheers. I need to hurry to my mailbox.


43 posted on 05/07/2012 12:41:21 PM PDT by Snoopers-868th
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To: Snoopers-868th
I can tell you I paid in a whole lot more than 20 bucks. Sadly, that money was used to pay for drunks, dopers and fake disabilities of many types, none of which I had a say in.

I didn't have a say either - but you have no sympathy for me.

It was the boomers who sold me into slavery - what's your excuse?

I love my SS and look forward to seeing my money come back home each month.

You're going to take out a hell of a lot more than you ever put in and that was my point.

Yes Obamaland sure is alive and thriving as you wish us to just die so you can have what you believe you deserve at least in an inheritance.

I never said I wanted you to die - stop putting words in my mouth jerk.

I said boomers won't hire me, because they won't. I suspect that with two degrees many of them are scared I'll replace them. Which sucks because they want me to pay for the money they're going to take out of SS but didn't put there themselves.

Cheers. I need to hurry to my mailbox.

Typical boomer attitude. If I were Pelosi, Reid and Obama I'd be laughing and smiling too. They're bankrupting the country sending money to their friends and interest groups - but who cares? Certainly not you. :)

It's not your fault and it's okay. Someone else will pick up the tab right? :)

You should be at OWS. You'd fit right in.
44 posted on 05/07/2012 8:04:12 PM PDT by Tzimisce (THIS SUCKS)
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To: Tzimisce; ErnBatavia; Snoopers-868th; dalereed

You keep touting your “two degrees” as if that should give you some “entitlement” of your own.

I and many others like me have worked all our adult lives, forced to pay into a system that we didn’t set up, now we are starting to get a small return. you also seem to think that we’ll get back more than we paid in. I should live so long.

Get a job, start paying in, then complain. I don’t even have to go to my mail box to get mine, it’s directly deposited into my bank account.

Hurry up and get that job, we greedy old codgers need more people paying in, lots of places will hire you in spite of your two degrees. Helpful hint, when you apply, don’t act as if you are the smartest person in the room because you have two degrees. That tends to turn off potential employers and the person who is contemplating hiring you may be a high school drop out.

No, I’m not a “high school drop out” and S.S. is not my only income, it’s my “mad money”, because it makes people like you mad.


45 posted on 05/09/2012 6:08:28 AM PDT by Graybeard58 (Romney vs. Obama? One of them has to lose, I'll rejoice in that fact, whichever it is.)
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To: Graybeard58
You keep touting your “two degrees” as if that should give you some “entitlement” of your own.

Yep - getting a job in a field where I PAID an inflated rate to go to a college (so a bunch of baby boomer professors could keep their bourgeoisie lifestyles even as they lecture me about the evils of such things) is such an unreasonable expectation. Yes I agree with you fully.

I and many others like me have worked all our adult lives, forced to pay into a system that we didn’t set up, now we are starting to get a small return. you also seem to think that we’ll get back more than we paid in. I should live so long.

#1 - Yeah, it's a problem. Yeah, we boomers knew it was there. Yeah, we didn't do anything to fix it, but it's not our fault. That's a very typical boomer reaction.

Not wanting responsibilities towards anything is very trendy amongst boomers. Look at boomer divorce rates, abortion rates, day care rates, drug usage, extra martial affair rates, etc. The problem is mommy and daddy are now gone: who is going to take care of the boomers? Answer: the kids. We'll just send the bill to them. :)

#2 - Let's assume you get 2000 a month on SS. That is a measly amount. It's 24k a year. I think the poverty rate is 17-18k. Over 10 years, you'll take 240k out of the system. Did you pay 240k IN to the system? Probably not. Also note: Americans ARE living longer. Boomers are a big generation. SS is already redlining and most boomers haven't retired yet.

The system is GOING to crash. It's unsustainable.

Final Note: OWS ALSO argues that they paid into the system and they therefore deserve a cut. Their argument is just as legitimate as yours.

Get a job, start paying in, then complain. I don’t even have to go to my mail box to get mine, it’s directly deposited into my bank account.

I DO have a job. I am one of the under-employed. It's not that there are no positions in the field in which I have a degree. It's that the boomers who run/operate these businesses won't hire me. It is QUITE frustrating.

Hurry up and get that job, we greedy old codgers need more people paying in, lots of places will hire you in spite of your two degrees. Helpful hint, when you apply, don’t act as if you are the smartest person in the room because you have two degrees. That tends to turn off potential employers and the person who is contemplating hiring you may be a high school drop out.

If you're capable of thinking outside the box (though I wonder if you're capable of thinking at all) put yourself in my shoes for a minute. I'm looking around at boomers: they have nice houses, big cars and good lifestyles. And I'm being told that I will NEVER have any of those things because the government needs my money to pay to keep boomers in those lifestyles.

Mark Levin hit this right on the head:

http://www.marklevinshow.com/sectional.asp?id=32930

Download the 05/07 show and scroll to the 10 minute mark.
46 posted on 05/09/2012 1:17:35 PM PDT by Tzimisce (THIS SUCKS)
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To: Graybeard58

I concur to everything you said. I especially liked the Mad Money. LOL


47 posted on 05/10/2012 9:55:16 AM PDT by Snoopers-868th
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To: Tzimisce

If anyone belongs in OWS it is you. You have that victim mentality. We baby boomers never had day care or paid school lunch programs. We never had busses pick up our children at the front door because they were too lazy to walk to school. We never car pooled our kids to school either. We chose to live near the school so they could walk. Our kids were not fat. We did not eat out only maybe once a year.

You all have been so spoiled you don’t know what it takes to make your own way in the world. No one owes you a job and don’t be surprised when that if you get a job you will start at the bottom. Embrace it and climb that ladder the best you can. Just as we did. Or continue to whine telling us we don’t understand because we are such dolts and such a drag on society. Sounds like class warfare to me. Who do you suppose is losing their homes and have lost their life savings? It sure isn’t you since you are a victim. Grow up.


48 posted on 05/10/2012 10:13:49 AM PDT by Snoopers-868th
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You all have been so spoiled you don’t know what it takes to make your own way in the world. No one owes you a job and don’t be surprised when that if you get a job you will start at the bottom. Embrace it and climb that ladder the best you can. Just as we did. Or continue to whine telling us we don’t understand because we are such dolts and such a drag on society. Sounds like class warfare to me. Who do you suppose is losing their homes and have lost their life savings? It sure isn’t you since you are a victim. Grow up.

Grow up? Where did I say I was owed anything?

You started this conversation by stating "I'm owed this", "I'm owed that". "Well I paid in, so now I get."

Bad news buddy: I don't owe you anything. And if that upsets you, go take it up with the politicians who promised you all of that.

I notice you haven't responded to a single point I've made. You're just going in to name calling and wild accusations.

It's okay though. Our government is going to run out of money and when it does, your SS will be gone. Your medicare will be gone. And all the other little giveaway programs you think you're owed will all be gone.

And nothing is going to change that - because there are too many people who think the same way you do.

It's just more Obamaland 2012. :)
49 posted on 05/10/2012 1:32:21 PM PDT by Tzimisce (THIS SUCKS)
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A personal question for you Tzimisce, of course that doesn’t mean you are obliged to answer it.

How old are you? I’ll be 67 on June 29, if the good Lord lets me live that long.

I’m guessing mid to late twenties.

It’s not a trick question, I won’t even reply to that part of your answer, just curious.


50 posted on 05/10/2012 2:08:26 PM PDT by Graybeard58 (Romney vs. Obama? One of them has to lose, I'll rejoice in that fact, whichever it is.)
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