Posted on 05/06/2012 3:17:38 PM PDT by OrioleFan
Young people face a cruel irony. Most can't land a decent job without a college education, yet many graduates are locked into poorly paying positions that don't permit repayment of student loans.
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A degree in Womyn’s Studies or LGBTWQIA Studies has NEVER been a good investment.
There is always the commie alternative. Go to work for the federal government and get your loans forgiven.
Oh spare me the baby boomer BS. When we were in college we worked our way through. We did not have day care, food stamps, or welfare to live on. And if it was available we were too proud to take it. If we didn’t have tuition we worked until we got it. Education today is mostly basket weaving and an college is just an escape for the gimmie group. Those who really want an education (profession) are getting one and are employable paying their loans back.
As far as paying for the baby boomer’s health care and care in general. The baby boomer worked their entire life and paid into that fund. Talk to the politicians that stole that money.
I went ahead and retired and I pay my own healthcare and use my own retirement. I’m one of those who planned that Socialist Security wasn’t going to be around, and if it was, it would be icing on the cake.
I know a guy who wanted to be a fireman as a youngster. He took a lot of razzing from classmates who were going on to college to get degrees, many in various liberal specialties (Womyns Studies, Black Studies, Environmental Analysis....).
So after high school he found some kind of trade school, attended and became an entry level fireman.
Now he has moved up in the ranks, makes well into the six figures, and more importantly, is doing what he wanted with his life.
Many of his former classmates are still wandering from one fast food job to another complaining that no one is hiring in their specialty. And they also have big college loans to pay off if they ever do land a decent job. He loves telling his story and gets a good chuckle every time he does.
If you majored in electrical engineering, bio-tech, & nano technology instead of feminist poetry and art history of origami, it wouldn’t be a “bad” economy it would be a good one.
It’s your weak, low-yield unhelpful “Labor Studies” Major that’s the problem - it’s not the “economy” nor your student “debt” burden.
It would be a great economy for you if you’d picked pharmacology and molecular biology, not the Dog in Cinema.
It’s your major, stupid! Or get some useful, valued training in auto technology — not La Raza Studies. Good luck marketing THAT major. No consumers want that, they want their PC, plumbing, or car fixed, a nice meal from an agribusiness and cheap abundant energy for their home A/C.
You hit on a very important topic.
Government interference in the job market and over-certification of education
Face it folks Goals 2000 works to cripple people
Credential creep is here. Now NPs need to be Doctorates
Now phycial therapists need to be doctorates.
One cannot faht in the wind without a state credential.
Onc cannot move around the country with the credentials because we are actually more like medievil guilds now than capitalist competitors.
Young people face a cruel irony. Most can't land a decent job without a college education, yet many graduates are locked into poorly paying positions that don't permit repayment of student loans.
Then Johnny should have gone to a voc or tech school and learned a hard skill that a prospective employer might be looking for that pays a better wage, and would have been cheaper besides.
At the very least, Johnny could start his own business revolving around his skills and maybe end up rich enough to afford to send his kids to school without them incurring crippling debt.
Johnny could also fail, but that's life, and that's not ironic, that's just the way it is.
I run three programs at a local community college (two year degrees.)
Power Plant operator which averages in around $62k per year with jobs starting at least $50k. 9 of the last 10 graduates already have jobs. 9 power plants within 75 miles of our college. The power companies help me recruit for the program. I have one student who just started. He has his BS in Biology and Chemistry and could not find a job so he is now in my program.
Electric line worker program just started. No graduates until next year. These graduates will make more than the power plant operators.
Advanced manufacturing is also very new. Indiana has a larger percent of its workforce in manufacturing than any other state.
are these people credentialed with state licenses?
“One cannot faht in the wind without a state credential.”
Right about that! Some guy in NC wrote a blog about his personal experiences with diabetes, and recommended that patients watch their diet and get their blood sugar checked frequently. WELL, that pissed off the NC dietitians, who complained to the state, which threatened him with possible prosecution for practicing nutrition without a license. I think he wound up taking down his blog -talk about medieval guilds...1284 meets 1984! Of course, NC is just one more place I have absolutely NO intention of visiting;)
Well, I am obviously not talking about a degree in women’s studies or some other stupid field. Or even something arty. The point is, a college degree used to be a document proving that you could stick with something for four years, that you knew about Western Civilization, that you could write and think and speak. That’s no longer true, of course. But five years ago you could get a job with a liberal arts degree, and parents and high school counselors and teachers were urging all kids to go to college. You can’t expect kids to figure out what most of the movers and shakers in the business world didn’t anticipate. Kids who were 17 five years ago weren’t in a position to say, “Hm, I’m a high school senior now, and after analyzing markets and politics and economics I think there’s probably going to be a worldwide economic collapse so that a degree won’t do me any good. But as boring and horrible as machining sounds (whatever that is) I’m going to study it because apparently there will be a resurgence in it in 2012.”
Pinging ErnBativia to Snoopers-868th’s #23. (It seems he’s one of us0.
Oh what the heck, I’ll just repost the whole thing:
“Oh spare me the baby boomer BS. When we were in college we worked our way through. We did not have day care, food stamps, or welfare to live on. And if it was available we were too proud to take it. If we didn’t have tuition we worked until we got it. Education today is mostly basket weaving and an college is just an escape for the gimmie group. Those who really want an education (profession) are getting one and are employable paying their loans back”.
“As far as paying for the baby boomer’s health care and care in general. The baby boomer worked their entire life and paid into that fund. Talk to the politicians that stole that money”.
As you know Ern, technically, I’m not a boomer, having been born between V.E. day and V.J. day, I’m a tad long in the tooth to be a boomer.
I’ve been on S.S. for about 4 years now and Medicare for a year and a half. I’m hoping to live long enough to get back as much as I paid in, if I make it that long, I can hope to live long enough to get back what my employer paid in on my behalf.
Pinging ErnBatavia to Snoopers-868th’s #23. (It seems he’s one of us0.
Oh what the heck, I’ll just repost the whole thing:
“Oh spare me the baby boomer BS. When we were in college we worked our way through. We did not have day care, food stamps, or welfare to live on. And if it was available we were too proud to take it. If we didn’t have tuition we worked until we got it. Education today is mostly basket weaving and an college is just an escape for the gimmie group. Those who really want an education (profession) are getting one and are employable paying their loans back”.
“As far as paying for the baby boomer’s health care and care in general. The baby boomer worked their entire life and paid into that fund. Talk to the politicians that stole that money”.
As you know Ern, technically, I’m not a boomer, having been born between V.E. day and V.J. day, I’m a tad long in the tooth to be a boomer.
I’ve been on S.S. for about 4 years now and Medicare for a year and a half. I’m hoping to live long enough to get back as much as I paid in, if I make it that long, I can hope to live long enough to get back what my employer paid in on my behalf.
“Young people face a cruel irony. Most can’t land a decent job without a college education, yet many graduates are locked into poorly paying positions that don’t permit repayment of student loans.”
Um, the “professor” should know that the above is an example of a paradox, not irony.
See, I went to college, too. And I paid back my student loan within five years. And I didn’t whine about it.
Get ready. All these articles are softening us up for student loan forgiveness. (But there’s no forgiveness for us, the taxpayers. We’ll wind up paying for them.)
I think it would be plain foolish for a student in this day and age not to get some real world work experience. A future employer will be more impressed by that than by an extra course in urban studies.
If one of your degrees is a master’s, check the local community college. Here in the D/FW area, the CC systems are paying between $34 - $40 per classroom hour, the schedules are flexible, the vacations are unpaid and frequent, and the schools definitely need more conservative instructors. If you can tolerate being a state employee w/o benefits.
The cost of college has also sky-rocketed, increasing way faster than inflation
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