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Lugar makes last ditch appeal to save Senate career
Yahoo ^ | 5/8/12 | Nick Carey and Eric Johnson | Reuters

Posted on 05/08/2012 3:56:23 PM PDT by mdittmar

INDIANAPOLIS (Reuters) - Senator Richard Lugar appealed to Democrats to cross party lines and vote for him in the Indiana Republican primary on Tuesday, in a last ditch effort to save his 35-year Senate career from a Tea Party backed rival who accuses him of being too supportive of President Barack Obama.

"I've asked very candidly for support from all Hoosiers. Not just Republicans, but Democrats and independents. I'm asking for the Republican Party to expand," Lugar said at his campaign headquarters in Indianapolis on Tuesday, where two dozen volunteers rang a bell each time a voter pledged to vote for the senator.

The defeat of Lugar, one of the most prominent voices on foreign policy in Congress, would be the first loss by a Senate incumbent in the 2012 elections and would mark a major victory for the Tea Party movement to reduce the size of the federal government.

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1 posted on 05/08/2012 3:56:34 PM PDT by mdittmar
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To: mdittmar

Apparently when he gets desperate he goes full tilt leftist with a new ad saying his opponent would gut social security.


2 posted on 05/08/2012 3:58:45 PM PDT by GeronL (The Right to Life came before the Right to Pursue Happiness)
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To: Kansas58

This is horrible! These radical Tea Party nuts are set to take down one of our most needed mature adult voices in the Senate!


3 posted on 05/08/2012 3:59:16 PM PDT by Yashcheritsiy (Anybody but Obama and Romney)
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To: Yashcheritsiy

Surely you can’t be serious.


4 posted on 05/08/2012 4:00:45 PM PDT by Paleo Conservative
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To: mdittmar
What is it called when one of your leaders doesn't like the way the war is going and appeals to the other side for help? Hmmmmmm........

I think it's a word that starts with a T....

5 posted on 05/08/2012 4:01:06 PM PDT by The Shrew (www.wintersoldier.com; www.tstrs.com; The Truth Shall Set You Free!)
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To: mdittmar
This is really sad.
Lugar should have read the tea leaves and announced his retirement instead of leaving the senate like this.
6 posted on 05/08/2012 4:01:30 PM PDT by Eric in the Ozarks
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To: mdittmar

What is it about these old-guard politicians that make them retire so ungracefully. Lugar has been in the Senate since 1977. Retire with dignity, not with the democrats!


7 posted on 05/08/2012 4:03:01 PM PDT by Oldeconomybuyer (The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money.)
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To: Yashcheritsiy

“...most needed mature adult voices in the Senate.”

You forgot your /Sarc tag...

After getting rid of Lugar tonight, the next important task for CONSERVATIVES is to ensure WI Gov. Scott Walker survives the attempt to recall him.

Get your wallets out!


8 posted on 05/08/2012 4:03:20 PM PDT by G Larry (Criminals thrive on the indulgence of society's understanding)
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To: GeronL

According to Rush, Mourdock’s position on SS is that he supports the Ryan plan. As does Lugar. Nonetheless, Lugar used that to scare seniors just like Dems do. Pathetic. If he managed to win with Democrat crossovers, I’d work to have him defeated, just as I was for the defeat of Specter and Lincoln Chaffee.


9 posted on 05/08/2012 4:03:26 PM PDT by Defiant (If there are infinite parallel universes, why Lord, am I living in the one with Obama as President?)
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To: Eric in the Ozarks

I wonder if Lugar will get his revenge in the lame duck session where Obama tries to destroy the country before he’s thrown out.


10 posted on 05/08/2012 4:05:29 PM PDT by Defiant (If there are infinite parallel universes, why Lord, am I living in the one with Obama as President?)
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To: mdittmar

With all due respect to Sen. Lugar, it’s high time we get some new people in Congress.


11 posted on 05/08/2012 4:05:48 PM PDT by fatnotlazy
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To: mdittmar

5% of precincts in...

Mourdock 61%
Lugar (i) 39%


12 posted on 05/08/2012 4:07:35 PM PDT by southernnorthcarolina ("Better be wise by the misfortunes of others than by your own." -- Aesop)
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To: Paleo Conservative
Surely you can’t be serious.

Don't call him Shirley...

13 posted on 05/08/2012 4:07:40 PM PDT by COBOL2Java (FUMR)
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To: GeronL

If he loses tonight, Lugar will either support the Democrat candidate in November or try to run as a write in, with the tacit support of the GOP.


14 posted on 05/08/2012 4:08:21 PM PDT by CharacterCounts (A vote for the lesser of two evils only insures the triumph of evil.)
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To: Eric in the Ozarks

I borrowed your comment.


15 posted on 05/08/2012 4:08:47 PM PDT by Paleo Conservative
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To: The Shrew

I don’t mind appeals to the other side for legitimate reasons but in this case its appealing to the other side to help defeat a conservative and to save his own butt.

He should have promised to switch parties if elected.


16 posted on 05/08/2012 4:09:13 PM PDT by cripplecreek (What does it profit a man if he gains the whole world but loses his soul?)
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To: Defiant

Re-stoking the Tea Party flame will require incremental victories such as installing Mourdock to replace Lugar.

The next victory needed will be ensuring WI Gov. Scott Walker survives the recall attempt.

These two actions will demonstrate the Tea Party is alive and well.

Somebody tell me, what’s up after that?? Who has the next scheduled shot at replacing a RINO or defeating a Dem.


17 posted on 05/08/2012 4:09:20 PM PDT by G Larry (Criminals thrive on the indulgence of society's understanding)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer
What is it about these old-guard politicians that make them retire so ungracefully. Lugar has been in the Senate since 1977. Retire with dignity, not with the democrats!

I think the vast majority of them are sociopaths. Even in the republican party

18 posted on 05/08/2012 4:09:53 PM PDT by BRL
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To: G Larry; Paleo Conservative
You forgot your /Sarc tag...

You're right, I did.

Unfortunately, the guy I pinged to the comment probably would agree with my comment, since he seems to think we should just line up behind the GOP-E, no questions asked, since they're "the adults" and opposing them is childish.

19 posted on 05/08/2012 4:10:17 PM PDT by Yashcheritsiy (Anybody but Obama and Romney)
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To: CharacterCounts
If he loses tonight, Lugar will either support the Democrat candidate in November or try to run as a write in, with the tacit support of the GOP.

He can't do that. Indiana has a sore loser law.

20 posted on 05/08/2012 4:10:17 PM PDT by Paleo Conservative
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To: G Larry

Orrin Hatch


21 posted on 05/08/2012 4:10:41 PM PDT by Arthurio
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To: Oldeconomybuyer
What is it about these old-guard politicians that make them retire so ungracefully. Lugar has been in the Senate since 1977. Retire with dignity, not with the democrats!

I think it's the water in Washington DC. It shrinks the brain and reduces the IQ until they all become leftists.

22 posted on 05/08/2012 4:10:45 PM PDT by COBOL2Java (FUMR)
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To: mdittmar

Anyone know if Lugar could pull a Lieberman and run as an independent if he loses the primary?


23 posted on 05/08/2012 4:11:22 PM PDT by kabar
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To: kabar

Just read the answer to my question, i.e., sore loser law.


24 posted on 05/08/2012 4:12:36 PM PDT by kabar
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To: Paleo Conservative
Surely you can’t be serious.

No but I can.

25 posted on 05/08/2012 4:12:45 PM PDT by Sirius Lee (When we cease to be good we'll cease to be great. Be for Goode.)
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To: Defiant

Morris said Lugar plans to throw the country overboard with the ratification of the Law of the Sea Treaty (a truly evil end for the USA).


26 posted on 05/08/2012 4:13:06 PM PDT by Goreknowshowtocheat
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To: GeronL
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27 posted on 05/08/2012 4:13:19 PM PDT by PhiloBedo (You gotta roll with the punches and get with what's real.)
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To: mdittmar
Lugar's attitude and actions are why I generally don't vote for the GOP any more.

I will vote for a real conservative with an R by their name, but it's been long years since I voted GOP all the way down the ticket.

/johnny

28 posted on 05/08/2012 4:14:03 PM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: Eric in the Ozarks
where two dozen volunteers rang a bell each time a voter pledged to vote for the senator

"Perchance he for whom this bell tolls may be so ill, as that he knows not it tolls for him; and perchance I may think myself so much better than I am, as that they who are about me, and see my state, may have caused it to toll for me, and I know not that."

29 posted on 05/08/2012 4:14:06 PM PDT by mdittmar
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To: Paleo Conservative
Thanks for the info.

One thing is for sure, he won't be giving even token support to his opponent.

30 posted on 05/08/2012 4:15:01 PM PDT by CharacterCounts (A vote for the lesser of two evils only insures the triumph of evil.)
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To: mdittmar

So Lugar joins the ranks of shame with Crist, Scozafava, Castle, and Specter.

Words can not express the contempt these people are worthy of....


31 posted on 05/08/2012 4:15:01 PM PDT by papertyger ("And how we burned in the camps later, thinking: What would things have been like if..."))
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To: CharacterCounts

Another Murkowski moment?


32 posted on 05/08/2012 4:15:35 PM PDT by GeronL (The Right to Life came before the Right to Pursue Happiness)
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To: CharacterCounts

I don’t think he can run third party/independent. I believe Indiana has a “Sore Loser” law in place.


33 posted on 05/08/2012 4:15:39 PM PDT by Waryone
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To: Oldeconomybuyer
What is it about these old-guard politicians that make them retire so ungracefully.

Old guard heck. My former RINO congressman was in office for one term and has spent the last 6 years running for the seat as a write in candidate, supporting the democrat candidate, supporting the RINO candidate, and now considering running as a democrat. (Joe Schwarz)
34 posted on 05/08/2012 4:18:30 PM PDT by cripplecreek (What does it profit a man if he gains the whole world but loses his soul?)
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To: mdittmar

It smells like victory.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sBksHaTQCbU

TEA for two, and two for TEA
Me for you, and you for me.


35 posted on 05/08/2012 4:18:58 PM PDT by tumblindice (Our new, happy lives.)
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To: mdittmar

In Lugar’s case, wouldn’t it be an addition by subtraction?


36 posted on 05/08/2012 4:19:41 PM PDT by Past Your Eyes (What if there is no tomorrow? There wasn't one today.)
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To: BRL
I think the vast majority of them are sociopaths. Even in the republican party

You're saying that about Lugar? It would really help if you had some evidence -- something "sociopathic" that he'd done in 36 years in Washington. Otherwise, why go there?

37 posted on 05/08/2012 4:19:46 PM PDT by x
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To: JRandomFreeper

Yeah I’m not a fan of straight ticket voting despite the fact that my votes go almost exclusively to republicans in the state and national races.


38 posted on 05/08/2012 4:21:04 PM PDT by cripplecreek (What does it profit a man if he gains the whole world but loses his soul?)
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To: mdittmar
Here is the Democrat like commercial Lugar has run in Indiana:
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21134540/vp/47340279#47340279

Not sure if you can skip the ad before the commercial but the Lugar ad is right out of the Democrat playbook.

39 posted on 05/08/2012 4:22:32 PM PDT by Bronzy (No more RINO's)
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To: x

You don’t think appealing to democrats to save his ass qualifies?


40 posted on 05/08/2012 4:23:50 PM PDT by papertyger ("And how we burned in the camps later, thinking: What would things have been like if..."))
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To: Paleo Conservative
He can't do that. Indiana has a sore loser law.

Uh oh! You hear that, Lisa? Your plan won't work!

"Dick can't do a write in??? What the @#$% is the matter with that state! It's HIS seat, for crying out loud!!!"


41 posted on 05/08/2012 4:24:37 PM PDT by COBOL2Java (FUMR)
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To: COBOL2Java

Maybe it’s the food...

They come to Washington with fire in their belly, and leave with lead in their butt.


42 posted on 05/08/2012 4:25:19 PM PDT by mrsmith (Dumb sluts: Lifeblood of the Media, Backbone of the Democrat Party!)
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To: x
It would really help if you had some evidence -- something "sociopathic" that he'd done in 36 years in Washington.

Well, he has breathed the toxic fumes emanating from Washington DC all these years, and gone to those dinner parties...

43 posted on 05/08/2012 4:27:51 PM PDT by COBOL2Java (FUMR)
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To: Morgana

Mourdock sounds like the bad wizard in the next Lord of the Rings ripoff


44 posted on 05/08/2012 4:30:19 PM PDT by GeronL (The Right to Life came before the Right to Pursue Happiness)
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To: Yashcheritsiy
A going away present for Loogy. .from the Tea Party


45 posted on 05/08/2012 4:30:51 PM PDT by McBuff
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To: mdittmar

I can’t think of a better term than “last ditch” for this useless POS and what I’d like to see happen for him. Just as long as it’s “last”.


46 posted on 05/08/2012 4:32:44 PM PDT by Attention Surplus Disorder (A conservative, a liberal and a moderate walk into a bar. Bartender says "what'll it be, Mitt?")
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To: Paleo Conservative

[ Surely you can’t be serious. ]

I am serious and Don’t call me Shirley!

Oh and just found out Lugar has been primaried out!


47 posted on 05/08/2012 4:35:25 PM PDT by GraceG
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To: GeronL; conservativegramma

This what a resident of Indiana, conservativegramma, posted back last May:

I live in Indiana. Indiana has a sore loser law.
Under Indiana Code 3-8-1-5.5 states:

IC 3-8-1-5.5
Candidates defeated in primary or nomination process; ineligibility
Sec. 5.5. (a) Except as provided in IC 3-13-1-19 and IC 3-13-2-10 for filling a vacancy on a ticket, a person who:
(1) is defeated in a primary election;
(2) appears as a candidate for nomination at a convention and is defeated;
(3) files a declaration of candidacy for nomination by a county, city, or town convention and is defeated; or
(4) files a declaration of candidacy for nomination by a caucus conducted under IC 3-13-1 or IC 3-13-2 and is defeated;
is not eligible to become a candidate for the same office in the next general or municipal election.

The exception in IC 3-13-1-19 states: “Sec. 19. A person who was defeated in a primary election or in a town or state convention is eligible to be appointed by the political party that the person affiliated with by voting in the most recent primary election held by that party. The person selected may fill any vacancy on the party’s ticket as a candidate in any general, municipal, or special election following that primary election or convention in which the vacancy occurred. However, a person is not disqualified from appointment under this section for not having voted in the most recent primary election if the appointee is certified as a member of that party by the county chairman for the county in which the appointee resides.” As added by P.L.5-1986, SEC.9. Amended by P.L.3-1987, SEC.423; P.L.3-1993, SEC.226.

The exception in IC-3-13-2-10 states: “Sec. 10. A person who was defeated in a primary election or in a town or state convention is eligible to be appointed by the person’s own political party to fill any vacancy on the party’s ticket as a candidate in any general, municipal, or special election following that primary election or convention.” As added by P.L.5-1986, SEC.9. Amended by P.L.3-1987, SEC.427.

In other words the only way Lugar can run as an independent candidate or 3rd party candidate is if he DOESN’T run in the Republican primary. He would have to run initially for that other 3rd or independent party FIRST and then win that party’s primary. Once defeated he cannot run again for the same office until the next election cycle.

And the only way Lugar can run after being defeated in the GOP primary is through a vacancy. Example: In 2012 his opposing primary candidate for the Republican Party is Richard Mourdock. Should Mourdock win and then subsequently die, withdraw, or be disqualified due to a criminal conviction, etc.; THEN and only THEN could the IN GOP appoint Lugar as the candidate to fill that vacancy.

So in other words as long as Lugar runs in the Republican party, and as long as he is defeated by Mourdock, and then so long as Mourdock stays healthy and remains qualified, then Lugar can’t run as an independent (or any other party) nor can he fill any vacancies on the GOP ticket.

22 posted on May 15, 2011 7:41:10 PM EDT by conservativegramma


48 posted on 05/08/2012 4:38:17 PM PDT by Waryone
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To: x
It would really help if you had some evidence -- something "sociopathic" that he'd done in 36 years in Washington.

Openly calling on Democrats to cross over and vote for him is sociopathic. A normal person would fight the good fight and take the result.

49 posted on 05/08/2012 4:40:27 PM PDT by BRL
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To: papertyger; BRL
He shouldn't have done that.

He got desperate and that's how many people act when they get desperate. If he had any chance of winning before, he lost it with this.

But some people had contempt for him long before this, and that wasn't really merited. 36 years in the Senate and he was far from the worst one in there.

50 posted on 05/08/2012 4:42:36 PM PDT by x
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