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Mitt Romney: Mormon Candidate at Baptist Liberty University Moves Catholic Editor
Catholic Online ^ | 5/14/12 | Keith A Fournier

Posted on 05/14/2012 9:41:32 AM PDT by tcg

...The fact that a Mormon, a member of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints, would be the commencement speaker at the Baptist University founded by Dr Jerry Falwell speaks to the urgency of the hour. Add to this the fact that this Catholic Editor in Chief of Catholic Online would consider the speech important enough to make it the lead article, and the point is made even clearer...

...The Romney candidacy raises a certain irony. Here we had a Mormon candidate who went to Liberty University and addressed a crowd which has major disagreement with his religious faith. However, it was this candidate who affirmed the fundamental moral values which inform the foundations of the American experiment in ordered liberty. He did so in a way which even made this Catholic Editor look twice at his candidacy.

I contend that I have more in common theologically with Liberty's Baptists as a Catholic Christian - though I am sure some present in Lynchburg on Saturday would disagree. However, Mitt Romney hit a home run in Lynchburg, Virginia on Saturday. That commencement address was not only a great speech, it also inspired me at an important moment.

...This Mormon candidate who spoke at that Baptist Liberty University is looking better and better to this Catholic citizen as the fall Presidential race approaches. The future of the American experiment in ordered liberty is at risk.We do indeed share common values which are essential for our future as a free people. Mitt Romney is correct, "we can meet in service, in shared moral convictions about our nation stemming from a common worldview."

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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; US: Virginia
KEYWORDS: catholics; libertyuniversity; mormon; romney
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To: dmz

I don’t think that was appropriate, either. But in Romney’s case, it’s even worse because of his abortion/homo stances.


41 posted on 05/14/2012 12:51:48 PM PDT by CatherineofAragon (Time for a write-in campaign...Darryl Dixon for President)
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To: paterfamilias

The PR SLC lds is very good at what they do, the mormons in congress - left leaning to very left. The public preseption does not jell with the voting patterns.
Our choice appears to be a liberal or a liberal. Or choice appears to be a man who thinks he will be god and one who thinks he already is.
I am not votIng for a man who is a liberal just because he has an R by his name, I have done that before - no more.


42 posted on 05/14/2012 12:57:09 PM PDT by svcw (If one living cell on another planet is life, why isn't it life in the womb?)
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To: paterfamilias
Mormons also have a strong sense of family and community, they successfully practice capitalism, they tithe, they must do community service, they must plan for famine and times of need, and they have great respect for the founding documents of this country.

But the difference between them and Catholics is Mormons do that among each other primarily..and the goal is for them and their organization not others outside their group. They are similar to Islam in that respect, you are either a Mormon or not....and if not you cannot be included. Which is why Muslims and Mormons get along....they are pretty much on the same page...it's forced upon them to be as you wrote....or they are endanger of loosing their salvation.

Both are fear based because it works. Both are under leadership who keep their members submissive by fear and or punishment of one form or another...and to keep the revenues flowing... I don't see Catholics even close to either of these for the most part.

43 posted on 05/14/2012 1:00:10 PM PDT by caww
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To: dmz

While I agree with you, Beck is not a “bishop”, deplores Progressives, is not running for president, appears be but a nominal Mormon, and manic. Romney is the antithesis of all the above.


44 posted on 05/14/2012 1:01:57 PM PDT by RitaOK (Nevermind, Newt. Forget the convention. I'm trusting God for the rest.)
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To: dmz

That’s because it wasn’t as vocal, but be assured there was outcry behind the scene.....But when one is running for President it requires the consent of the governed. Nothing about Beck required your vote.


45 posted on 05/14/2012 1:02:57 PM PDT by caww
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To: dmz

While I agree with you, Beck is not a “bishop”, deplores Progressives, is not running for president, appears be but a nominal Mormon, and manic. Romney is the antithesis of all the above.


46 posted on 05/14/2012 1:03:03 PM PDT by RitaOK (Nevermind, Newt. Forget the convention. I'm trusting God for the rest.)
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To: caww
"Going with" in this case, means exactly what the sentence states. It means voting 'for' not agreeing 'with'.

If Obama wins we muddle through for another four, but have another shot in four years for a true conservative.

Actually I believe we'll be lucky to make past 4 more years of obama. Sounds like you're planning on an obama vote.

47 posted on 05/14/2012 1:06:13 PM PDT by vortigern
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To: vortigern
Well "for" Romney would also be agreeing with his platform. When we vote for a candidate, we are voting not just for a person, but for that person’s platform.... Ballots do not contain room for voters to indicate why thy have chosen a particular candidate. ..it therefore will always be "for" the candidate and all which he stands for....and that is what the parties will see....you're support "For" them. I'm a conservative...I vote for Conservatives. Romney is not...he is a "counterfeit" Republican. A fraud and we all know this.

BTW Obama is not the primary problem....it's the Gop which will not stand against him or fight.....and if Romney gets in they'll think he's one of their own and sit back while he moves his personal agenda behind the scenes.

48 posted on 05/14/2012 1:18:31 PM PDT by caww
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To: svcw

I don’t care about your statements on Mormonism, I care that you and your ilk here are defining who is and who is not in fellowship with Christ. Only Christ himself can do that, in the end. See to your own house, and leave the mutual spewing of canned angelpin arguments to religious sites.


49 posted on 05/14/2012 1:39:52 PM PDT by Technocrat (Romney-Palin 2012)
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To: Technocrat

So you don’t know, that’s ok most people don’t.
Christ has commanded Christians to call out false prophets and teachings, if that bothers you, so be it.
Christianity and mormonism are not equal.


50 posted on 05/14/2012 1:48:27 PM PDT by svcw (If one living cell on another planet is life, why isn't it life in the womb?)
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To: caww
When we vote for a candidate, we are voting not just for a person, but for that person’s platform.... True in most cases, but not all. I voted for Hillary in the Ohio primary to keep obama from winning. Later re-registered to vote against obama in the general election. Nevertheless, this year it will be a vote for the lesser of two evils. Not a Romney fan here by any stretch -- simply cannot stomach more of obama.
51 posted on 05/14/2012 1:51:01 PM PDT by vortigern
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To: cripplecreek
I wonder how Christian it is to ignore Romney’s support of gay adoption while jumping up and down screaming about Obama’s support of gay marriage.

It isn't Christian CC and it only harms the professions of being a Christian of those who do.

Furthermore, the ignoring of Romney's lying, left-wing, Progressive Liberal record, including his implementing unconstitutionally, and illegally Gay Marriage, isn't Christian either.

But that is what happens when your decisions are driven by fear instead of principle.
52 posted on 05/14/2012 2:01:59 PM PDT by SoConPubbie (Mitt and Obama: They're the same poison, just a different potency.)
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To: svcw

Do you really believe that garbage? Romney is a disappointing moderate. Obama is an outright communist. If you can’t see the difference, maybe you just shouldn’t vote.


53 posted on 05/14/2012 2:40:42 PM PDT by OrangeHoof (Our economy won't heal until one particular black man is unemployed.)
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To: Buckeye McFrog
Not to get us chasin' off down a rabbit-trail here, but the word "cult" has a range of meanings so wide that it's not a useful term to use for anybody, anymore. It invites imprecision.

First, the oldest (and most authentic) meaning --- rarely used anymore --- is simply the worship given to God and the veneration shown toward holy people, places, and things. From the Latin word "cultus." It has no derogatory connotations, not does it imply error or idolatry. In European languages related to Latin it is used in this valid and perfectly neutral sense. For instance, you'll find Protestant churches in Paris which have proudly put these words on their signage out front: Église du Culte Protestant Évangélique.

Second, it is used by many to indicate an emotionally manipulative, secretive, maybe sexually and financially abusive, authoritarian group, whether religious or not: People's Temple, Guru Rajneesh, Synanon, Westboro Baptist, ISKCON, Lyndon Larouche, Kabbala, White Identity, etc.

Third, it is used as a short (but misleading) synonym for self-described Christian groups with (generally) a non-Nicene Christology: Jehovah's Witnesses, Christian Science, Mormon, Seventh Day Adventist, Theosophy.

That's why I don't use the term. You don't know whether the word is used to indicate that the labeled group is (1)devoted to the veneration of the holy, (2) abusive, or (3) just doctrinally at variance with historic Christianity.

54 posted on 05/14/2012 2:42:09 PM PDT by Mrs. Don-o ("The first duty of intelligent men of our day is the restatement of the obvious." George Orwell)
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To: vette6387
We are not electing a religious leader, we are electing a president.

Would you have any problem voting for a Muslim or Scientologist as long as they aren't Obama?
55 posted on 05/14/2012 2:55:08 PM PDT by af_vet_rr
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To: SoConPubbie
Furthermore, the ignoring of Romney's lying, left-wing, Progressive Liberal record, including his implementing unconstitutionally, and illegally Gay Marriage, isn't Christian either.

People can debate all day about whether Mormons are Christians and whether you are allowed to add some really whacky stuff to the Bible, but in the end, Romney's actions as Governor are definitely not those of a committed Christian, no matter what he calls himself.
56 posted on 05/14/2012 2:59:30 PM PDT by af_vet_rr
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To: caww

I did not mean to imply any similarity between Catholics and Mormons. I am a very traditional Catholic, and I am well-schooled in my Faith.

Rather, I see Romney, a Mormon, more appealing than Obama in the sense that he lives in a way that is responsible to his neighbors, in a similar way to the Good Samaritin who, though a non-believer, acted in an admirable manner.


57 posted on 05/14/2012 3:18:15 PM PDT by paterfamilias
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To: caww

I did not mean to imply any similarity between Catholics and Mormons. I am a very traditional Catholic, and I am well-schooled in my Faith.

Rather, I see Romney, a Mormon, more appealing than Obama in the sense that he lives in a way that is responsible to his neighbors, in a similar way to the Good Samaritin who, though a non-believer, acted in an admirable manner.


58 posted on 05/14/2012 3:20:31 PM PDT by paterfamilias
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To: caww

I did not mean to imply any similarity between Catholics and Mormons. I am a very traditional Catholic, and I am well-schooled in my Faith.

Rather, I see Romney, a Mormon, more appealing than Obama in the sense that he lives in a way that is responsible to his neighbors, in a similar way to the Good Samaritin who, though a non-believer, acted in an admirable manner.


59 posted on 05/14/2012 3:20:54 PM PDT by paterfamilias
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To: OrangeHoof
So you ask a question, answer it and then attack me all in one sentence. Nice.
It has been shown on FR hundreds of times that Romney and BHO have the same political record.
I wish just once would want people who support Romney to say why, beyond “he is not BHO”, and you are stupid, nuts, ignorant or whatever the phase is today for those who do not support that liberal called Romney.
60 posted on 05/14/2012 3:24:29 PM PDT by svcw (If one living cell on another planet is life, why isn't it life in the womb?)
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