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America’s aging aviation force: Father, son flew same fighter jet 30 years apart
Hotair ^ | 05/18/2012 | Rob Bluey

Posted on 05/18/2012 8:14:30 AM PDT by SeekAndFind

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To: Sequoyah101

Turbofan Killer Bee: Rutan ARES “Mudfighter” for U.S. Army Close Air Support

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zG9LlHcX8lg

http://www.scaled.com/projects/ares

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scaled_Composites_ARES


21 posted on 05/18/2012 9:00:49 AM PDT by BwanaNdege (Man has often lost his way, but modern man has lost his address - Gilbert K. Chesterton)
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To: Tupelo

The A-10 went through my mind, of course. However, the WWII equivalent of the A-10 was the Republic P47 Thunderbolt, often called “The Jug”. Like the A-10, the Jug was a flying tank that could drop ordinance, blast the crap out of a target with its 8 airborne version M-2s and take a holy hell beating.

However, the P-51 was pure elegance, taken from idea to flyable prototype in 120 days! Pure beauty, inspiration and a viper’s bite rolled into one machine.


22 posted on 05/18/2012 9:03:40 AM PDT by Gaffer
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To: GreyFriar
first father and son BUFFs now father and son F-15s

Yes, and probably also C-130s and KC-135s.

23 posted on 05/18/2012 9:07:57 AM PDT by zot
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To: SeekAndFind

The British Canberra were in service for almost 60 years.


24 posted on 05/18/2012 9:08:44 AM PDT by C19fan
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To: SeekAndFind
“Well, the next 17 nations combined are not committed to maintaining peace and stability around the world. We are.”

Missions that cannot be funded, will not continue. And that particular bit of Neo-Con grandiosity has simply run into a brick wall.

Defense is headed for a 50% haircut, just like the rest of the Federal budget - whether Welfare Statists and Neo-Cons like it or not. That's half the aircraft, half the ships, half the carrier battle groups, half the personnel, 2/3 of the bases, 3/4 of the land-based ICBMs and 100% of the nation-building administrative overhead. That leaves room for expanded funding of badly needed technologies that don't reward Congressional repsentatives, defense contractors, and generals with so many shiny new toys: drone technology, cyber-defense, ground and space-based anti-missile systems, and modernized intelligence-gathering capabilities.

You can kill a terrorist with a Craftsman screwdriver if you know who he is and what he is going to do. Government thinks it needs to use an F-22, instead. :)

25 posted on 05/18/2012 9:15:53 AM PDT by Mr. Jeeves (CTRL-GALT-DELETE)
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To: NY.SS-Bar9

Likewise, true to a point.

The head and handle changes apply to a lot of structures but not so much the high performance airframes... there are only so many of those.

Wings on t-38s have been changed like socks but we’re all out of socks.

Eventually the attachment points wear out as well and it is not just the 38s though they are probably the worst of the lot for having been around the longest. An airplane can only be banged into the ground so many times even though they are amazingly rugged.


26 posted on 05/18/2012 9:29:46 AM PDT by Sequoyah101
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To: Sequoyah101
I have been told be DOD aviation acquisition types that it takes 25 years from DOD aircraft design concept to first flight. Almost all of that is due to the hidebound bureaucratic DOD acquisition process.
27 posted on 05/18/2012 9:31:39 AM PDT by Reily
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Heck, this is nothing. Many of the guys flying BUFFs (B52 bombers) are younger than the planes they fly!

Mark


28 posted on 05/18/2012 9:35:02 AM PDT by MarkL (Do I really look like a guy with a plan?)
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To: SeekAndFind
Remember this folks: The fighter community is the darling of the Air Force and has been since Vietnam (late 1960s) when the tactical fighter community took over from the bomber mafia.

If the F-15 community started in the mid 1970s how about the bomber community? The B-52H’s still flying are 1960 and 1961 manufactures - that's a decade older than the F-15 story lead. Plus they are expected to remain in front line service until the 2040s.

Look at the HC-130, rescue aircraft. Most of them are mid 1960 builds - a few years older than the B-52.

The KC-135s are from that same era.

Most of the tactical airlift, C-130s, are from the same era.

Why do I bring this up? In 2009 I came across a young AF Captain, navigator, type whose name tag read “Savage”; I pronounced in the French manner and was immediately told I was the only one who had done so in years. Why did I know how - I flew with the man's father as student navigators in 1970/71. Capt Savage was going into the AC-130 community - the same community I transferred to in 1975. While not a father/son story it shows how old almost all of the Air Force's tactical platforms really are.

29 posted on 05/18/2012 9:50:06 AM PDT by Nip (TANSTAAFL and BOHICA)
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To: MarkL

Again, another statement that is only true to a point.

The pilots flying the airplanes are younger than the B-52s they fly and so are most of their father’s now who flew the same aircraft.

The same point can be made for the T-38.

If you’ll look at the tail numbers on most USAF aircraft the first two large digits of the SN are the year the AC was accepted into inventory.


30 posted on 05/18/2012 9:52:50 AM PDT by Sequoyah101
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To: Gaffer
No way. Get a big air cooled radial fighter like a P-47 or a Hellcat or Corsair.

The radiators on liquid cooled fighters like the P-51s are too vulnerable.

And the best part, the eight .50s on a P-47 can chew up anything.

31 posted on 05/18/2012 10:06:34 AM PDT by GBA (Read: The Harbinger by Jonathan Cahn If you read this anything this year, read this book!)
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To: GreyFriar

Should have read your post before I posted mine. Can’t beat those big P&W radials.


32 posted on 05/18/2012 10:10:15 AM PDT by GBA (Read: The Harbinger by Jonathan Cahn If you read this anything this year, read this book!)
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To: SeekAndFind

Put F-15 out to pasture?

We have a new fighter mentioned in the article, the F-22. It’s extremely costly, and a linked-to LA Times article states that the F-22 was designed to compete with a new Russian fighter that never came into existence.

The LA Times article says that the F-15’s problems can be fixed, and we know that their weaponry and electronics can be upgraded, so the question to be answered is whether the F-15 still plays a useful military role. Does the F-15 do certain jobs just as well as the F-22 but at a lower cost?

Furthermore, we may be moving toward pilotless aircaft and increasingly precise guided missiles. I’ll bet maintaining and upgrading old planes like the F-15 and B-52 makes sense.


33 posted on 05/18/2012 10:12:23 AM PDT by cymbeline
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To: Sequoyah101

The A26 was not worn out they put turbo-prop engines on it to increase the speed of it. Do not lie the reason for this mess is the fighter mafia alone with there billion dollar toys that they now refuse to fly......

The 26 is still flying in 8 countries . I know cause I was a 26 weapons mech an worked on Brazilian 26s at Opa Locka Airport in Miami.....Great planes like the 135 are still flying with new engines while our great fighters sit on the ground over engineering failures...The USAF Fighter Types refused to buy the F5 Tiger 2 an 6 years later had to buy them as agressor planes cause our F4s were getting shot out of the air over Nam....They buy the wrong a/c the 747 is as old as the c5 yet it flys triple the hours of the 5 an turn around as much as 4 times every 48 hours. It takes 72 hours to turn a 5 around....


34 posted on 05/18/2012 10:30:05 AM PDT by straps (Ex-Pan Am Mechanic)
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To: SeekAndFind

The Army issued me with a musket that had “Down With The Redcoats!” carved into it.


35 posted on 05/18/2012 10:37:00 AM PDT by blueunicorn6 ("A crack shot and a good dancer")
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To: SeekAndFind; LucyT

Ping to article of interest.


36 posted on 05/18/2012 10:38:36 AM PDT by rockinqsranch (Dems, Libs, Socialists, call 'em what you will, they ALL have fairies livin' in their trees.)
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To: straps

And to you, you would be well advised to take much greater care whom you accuse of lying. If I were where you are there would be consequences.

It is a comfort to know there are geniuses like you around working for Brazil and other countries.

You are insignificant and will always be so.


37 posted on 05/18/2012 10:52:09 AM PDT by Sequoyah101
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