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Hawaii to Ariz.: Prove need to verify Obama birth
My Fox Phoenix.Com ^ | 5/19/2012 | Joshua Wisch

Posted on 05/19/2012 9:35:37 AM PDT by Elderberry

OBAMA-ARIZONA BALLOT

Hawaii to Ariz.: Prove need to verify Obama birth

PHOENIX (AP) - The attorney general's office in Hawaii is telling Arizona's secretary of state that if he wants confirmation of President Barack Obama's birth records, he'll have to prove he legitimately needs it.

Special Assistant Joshua Wisch said late Friday that Arizona Secretary of State Ken Bennett hasn't done that despite numerous email and phone exchanges between their offices.

Wisch says Hawaii state laws require Bennett to show legal authority that this office needs the records to update its official lists as part of its ordinary work.

Wisch says as soon as Bennett gives Hawaii adequate authority, the Aloha State will verify Obama's birth.

Bennett said in a radio interview this week that Obama's status on Arizona's ballot is in question unless Hawaii verifies his birthplace.

Hawaii officials have confirmed multiple times that Obama was born there.


TOPICS: Front Page News; Government; US: Arizona
KEYWORDS: 2scary4words; 2suspicious4words; birthcertificate; coverup; eligibility; hawaii; illegalalien; naturalborncitizen; obama
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I didn't think Hawaii would do any more than this.
1 posted on 05/19/2012 9:35:40 AM PDT by Elderberry
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To: Elderberry

the commie wont be on arizona ballot, enough of the commie delay tactics.


2 posted on 05/19/2012 9:40:45 AM PDT by biggredd1
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To: Elderberry

“Hawaii officials have confirmed multiple times that Obama was born there.”

No, they haven’t. They have said various things but never a certified statement of proof of any kind. Besides, if they are willing to provide some kind of sworn statement then they should be able to provide the birth certificate itself.


3 posted on 05/19/2012 9:41:06 AM PDT by CodeToad (Homosexuals are homophobes. They insist on being called “gay” instead.)
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To: Elderberry

Nothing new here. Hawaii, a leftist criminal enterprise run state, is doing little barry bastard commie’s shuckin’ and jivin’ for him now. The strategy is delay until they give up. Criminals like that method ... until they are hammered for it. AZ should not allow little bastard commie on the state ballots. THAT is the hammer these criminal thugs comprehend.


4 posted on 05/19/2012 9:41:32 AM PDT by MHGinTN (Being deceived can be cured.)
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To: Elderberry
Hawaii officials have confirmed multiple times that Obama was born there.

No, they haven't. They said they have a record of his birth, not a birth certificate. Big difference.

5 posted on 05/19/2012 9:41:38 AM PDT by SeaHawkFan
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To: Elderberry; LucyT; butterdezillion
"The attorney general's office in Hawaii is telling Arizona's secretary of state that if he wants confirmation of President Barack Obama's birth records, he'll have to prove he legitimately needs it."

WOAH! Unfreakin' believable. Hawaii telling Arizona to get lost.

6 posted on 05/19/2012 9:43:33 AM PDT by Smokeyblue
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To: Elderberry
Hawaii officials have confirmed multiple times that Obama was born there.

Many people have "confirmed" that Obama was born in Hawaii, but NONE have produced tangible evidence or original documentation that can be independently verified.

The public deserves better than this IMO, especially because there are so many contrary statements and claims, including by Obama himself.

7 posted on 05/19/2012 9:43:33 AM PDT by olezip
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To: Elderberry

Will the AZ-SOS use the “court admissible” evidence of the CCP in Maricopa (a legally constituted investigative body of the State of AZ), or do they just forward Obamugabe’s self-created CV from various evidentiary examples of Obaqmugabe’s own words stating he was born in Kenya?

Inquiring minds want to know.


8 posted on 05/19/2012 9:43:50 AM PDT by Cletus.D.Yokel (Catastrophic Anthropogenic Climate Alterations - The acronym explains the science.)
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To: CodeToad
No, they haven’t. They have said various things but never a certified statement of proof of any kind. Besides, if they are willing to provide some kind of sworn statement then they should be able to provide the birth certificate itself.

They are unwilling to provide even a sworn statement because perjury is generally five years in prison, and judges really don't like witnesses telling them lies.

9 posted on 05/19/2012 9:44:17 AM PDT by SeaHawkFan
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To: Elderberry
Arizona to 0bama...

Produce a legitimate birth certificate to be on the ballot.

Arizona to the DNC...
Produce a legitimate candidate that meets the ‘natural born citizen’ requirement Screw Hawaii, it is not up to Hawaii to prove 0bama's eligibility. It is 0bama's and the DNC's.

10 posted on 05/19/2012 9:44:56 AM PDT by EBH (Obama took away your American Dreams and replaced them with "Dreams from My (his) Father".)
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To: Elderberry

Okay, well here’s the response that should happen: No proof, No ballot.

The Justice Dept’s witch hunt on Arizona should be enough motivation to get the Sec of State and the Governor’s office to do just that.


11 posted on 05/19/2012 9:45:11 AM PDT by alancarp (Liberals are all for shared pain... until they're included in the pain group.)
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To: Elderberry
Hawaii officials have confirmed multiple times that Obama was born there.

The obamanoid kneepad fool who wrote the article should look at Hawaii's confirmation that Sun Yat Sen was born there, since he was born in China yet holds a 'valid' HI birth cert. There isn't any statement from Hawaiian officials that should be believed.

12 posted on 05/19/2012 9:45:36 AM PDT by MHGinTN (Being deceived can be cured.)
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To: Elderberry
Hawaii, one of the Several States, is asking Arizona, another of the Several States, to prove that it has the Constitution right to govern its own election proceedings?

That's madness. That's like asking a state to prove its own right to sovereignty.

-PJ

13 posted on 05/19/2012 9:46:39 AM PDT by Political Junkie Too (If you can vote for President, then your children can run for President.)
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To: Smokeyblue

No...they are going about this the wrong way.

Hawaii doesn’t have to produce a darn thing.

Screw Hawaii, it is not up to Hawaii to prove 0bama’s eligibility.

It is 0bama’s and the DNC’s.


14 posted on 05/19/2012 9:47:27 AM PDT by EBH (Obama took away your American Dreams and replaced them with "Dreams from My (his) Father".)
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To: Elderberry
Where there is smoke you will most likely find fire, sometimes a raging inferno.

To date Hawaii has never provided proof that Obama was born there - all we have are the verbal statements of various officials.

Does anyone remember how the statements from an in coming official, the governor I think, changed from I have seen it to I have been told that its there?

As for an official reason let me suggest this - tell the Arizona Democratic Committee that they must provide the proof in the form of a certified copy (”a true and actual copy of”) of the official birth certificate in the format of the era. Failure to do so will prevent Obama from being listed on the Arizona ballot IAW the state regulations/laws. And no, a letter from the Democratic national Committee like the ones submitted in 2008 will not be sufficient.

Let the Democrats deal with the democrats.

15 posted on 05/19/2012 9:48:01 AM PDT by Nip (TANSTAAFL and BOHICA)
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To: SeaHawkFan

The people in Hawaii know the SoS in Arizona has laid a trap. If they say they have it, maybe Sheriff Arapaio will then start trying to get whatever long form BC they have.

If Obama created his own BC what comes from Hawaii won’t match what Obama put up.

Boom


16 posted on 05/19/2012 9:48:27 AM PDT by Helotes
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To: Elderberry

Hawaii tells Arizona to get lost.
Selective Service tells Arizona to get lost.

As if there was any doubt, this is WAY beyond Obama. The number of people aiding and abetting is staggering.

Our FEDERAL and STATE bureaucrat overlords are not amused.

President Obama Draft Card: Selective Service System blocks access to records

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2885382/posts


17 posted on 05/19/2012 9:50:32 AM PDT by Smokeyblue
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To: Elderberry
Hawaii officials have confirmed multiple times that Obama was born there.

No they haven't. Zippy doesn't have any BC. Every American voter has a legitimate reason to see his birth certificate and Hawaii officials (as well as DOJ) know they never have to accept any reason to tell anyone the truth, that the skid mark in the WH is not an American. Voters need to quit pretending he may have one.

18 posted on 05/19/2012 9:50:39 AM PDT by BerryDingle (I know how to deal with communists, I still wear their scars on my back from Hollywood-Ronald Reagan)
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To: biggredd1
All Bennett needs to do is cite chapter and verse from AZ law as to why he will not allow electors to vote for Hussein. QED and there isn't a thing any judge can do about it.

FWIW, I visited the AZ Election Laws online and found them to be close to an incomprehensible mess. I assume there is a section there that allows Bennett to do what he threatens.

19 posted on 05/19/2012 9:51:13 AM PDT by Jacquerie (No court will save us from ourselves.)
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To: alancarp

Arizona can’t MAKE Hawaii produce a legit document, and the DNC can’t MAKE Arizona produce a ballot with zero’s name on it.

This is one good mexican standoff.


20 posted on 05/19/2012 9:51:32 AM PDT by txhurl (Thank you, Andrew Breitbart. In your untimely passing, you have exposed these people one last time.)
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To: Elderberry

*sarc* I don’t understand AZ’s issue here regarding Obama’s BC. All AZ has to do is call FOX NEWS and get confirmation from the leprecaun. Hasn’t he already seen it in it’s original form and confirmed he was indeed born in Hawaii?


21 posted on 05/19/2012 9:53:07 AM PDT by Kevin in California
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To: All

“Hawaii officials have confirmed multiple times that Obama was born there.”

They must think that if they say the same stupid lie over and over and over again that the sheeple will believe it is true.


22 posted on 05/19/2012 9:54:30 AM PDT by Elderberry
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To: Helotes

Arizona..one of the FREE ones of the ‘57’ states. How ‘bout the rest of you out there? Still believe in the Constitution?


23 posted on 05/19/2012 9:54:41 AM PDT by Don Corleone ("Oil the gun..eat the cannoli. Take it to the Mattress.")
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To: Elderberry

Maybe Arizona should refer to Article II, Section 1 of the U.S. Constitution. I wonder if they have one lying around somewhere in Hawaii . . .


24 posted on 05/19/2012 9:55:12 AM PDT by Vigilanteman (Obama: Fake black man. Fake Messiah. Fake American. How many fakes can you fit in one Zer0?)
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To: MHGinTN

Don’t put the Dali’Bama on the ballot. Make the sob’s file a suit an take it the the supreme court.

Chief Justice will have to see the punks validity on his bench to decide IMO.

I can also see the rat letting this happen because he knows he won’t carry Arizona anyway. Pure fodder for his class warfare as well.... Interestingly fubar’d either way.

Stay Safe !


25 posted on 05/19/2012 9:55:29 AM PDT by Squantos (Be polite. Be professional. But have a plan to kill everyone you meet)
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To: Helotes
If Obama created his own BC what comes from Hawaii won’t match what Obama put up. Boom

An IED. Improvised Election Development.

26 posted on 05/19/2012 9:55:51 AM PDT by Harley (Will Rogers never met Harry Reid.)
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To: Elderberry

If Obama wants on the Arizona ballot, let him talk to Hawaii.


27 posted on 05/19/2012 9:56:45 AM PDT by donna (The fruits of Feminism: Angry fathers, bitter mothers, fat kids and political correctness.)
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To: Squantos
(+) I think you've about nailed.
28 posted on 05/19/2012 9:59:51 AM PDT by MHGinTN (Being deceived can be cured.)
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To: SeaHawkFan
http://www.wnd.com/2011/01/252833/
Abercombie....Some unspecified notation someone made in the state archives
29 posted on 05/19/2012 10:00:56 AM PDT by opentalk
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To: Elderberry

The proof is simplicity itself: The absence of BO on the ballot in Arizona. Is that acceptable proof, Hawaii?


30 posted on 05/19/2012 10:01:28 AM PDT by sourcery (If true=false, then there would be no constraints on what is possible. Hence, the world exists.)
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To: Helotes
"If Obama created his own BC what comes from Hawaii won’t match what Obama put up." That's the problem for Hawaii. The possibly contemporaneous birth announcements published in both major Honolulu papers are pretty clearly based on Hawaii DOH documents generally distributed to those papers. Thus, in my view, there's almost assuredly a presumptively valid birth document on file for Obama.

But that's the rub in light of the probably fabricated "birth certificate" he's published. The birth document that's most likely on file is a Hawaiian do it yourself Certificate of Live Birth that was probably signed either by Madelyn Dunham or Stanley Ann Dunham stating he was born some place other than a hospital. If that ever comes out there will be a huge firestorm, especially because he's now published a transparent fake. Thus, Hawaii will never release the real document.

31 posted on 05/19/2012 10:02:25 AM PDT by libstripper
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To: Elderberry

Hey Hawaii, it’s called “The Constitution” and it has something to do with a provision about eligibility.

I presume its attorney general has studied said document?


32 posted on 05/19/2012 10:03:38 AM PDT by A_Former_Democrat (Fat, drunk and stupid = Dumb, dependent, and Democrat)
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To: Elderberry
Bennett should say to the people of AZ that despite numerous attempts to verify Obama’s birth info, Hawaii has put up every legal & bureaucratic roadblock to providing what is public information & routinely shared between states. Given that, Obama will not be on the AZ ballot.

If Bennett plays Hawaii's game, he will lose. So, shift the burden to Hawaii & let their “favorite son” suffer the consequences.

33 posted on 05/19/2012 10:04:40 AM PDT by Mister Da (The mark of a wise man is not what he knows, but what he knows he doesn't know!)
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To: Elderberry

Clinton lied under oath about his affair with Monica Lewinsky, and then smeared anyone who called him a liar.
And he marched his cabinet out to vouch for him on national television and they smeared anyone who doubted them.

And then the blue dress surfaced.

Obama has affirmed that he was born in Hawaii by providing a copy of a Hawaiian certificate of live birth (apparently fraudulent).
Every Democrat and some Republicans (and quite a few even here on FR) insist he is a `natural born citizen’ and smear anyone demanding authenticated proof.

Obama had his book agent place in his bio 15 years ago that he was born in Kenya.

Client and Obama are liars and anyone who believes what they say is either a Democrat or a dupe.
But I repeat myself ....


34 posted on 05/19/2012 10:06:44 AM PDT by tumblindice (Our new, happy lives.)
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To: sourcery

Now we wait to see if Ken Bennett was bluffing.


35 posted on 05/19/2012 10:06:59 AM PDT by SpaceBar
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To: Elderberry

Great. He’s off the ballot. Problem solved.


36 posted on 05/19/2012 10:07:41 AM PDT by Freedom_Is_Not_Free
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To: MHGinTN

Do you think anybody besides Sheriff Joe in AZ has the stones to drop the little commie raghead from the ballot? I have seen SO MANY of these things fizzle and go slurping down the tubes that I think the chances of AZ making the requirement stick are slim and none....and Slim just left for Cheyenne. So what does that leave?


37 posted on 05/19/2012 10:07:51 AM PDT by Tucker39 ( Psa 68:19Blessed be the Lord, who daily loadeth us with benefits; even the God of our salvation.KJV)
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To: Elderberry

Simple. Send the stupid bastards a copy of the U.S. Constitution.


38 posted on 05/19/2012 10:10:48 AM PDT by FlingWingFlyer (Dumb, dependent and Democrat is no way to go through life. - Rep. Louie Gohmert (R-Texas)
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To: Elderberry

Translation: “We need more time to falsify the long form and registry records.”


39 posted on 05/19/2012 10:11:37 AM PDT by GeorgeWashingtonsGhost
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To: SeaHawkFan
They are unwilling to provide even a sworn statement because perjury is generally five years in prison, and judges really don't like witnesses telling them lies.

That is the money quote.

40 posted on 05/19/2012 10:14:20 AM PDT by cpdiii (Deckhand, Roughneck, Mud Man, Geologist, Pilot, Pharmacist. THE CONSTITUTION IS WORTH DYING FOR!)
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To: Elderberry; Travis McGee
Hawaii officials have confirmed multiple times that Obama was born there.

Then those "officials" should have let 0bama know this "fact" when the following write-ups were done on him (thank TravisMcGee for the image!) in 1992, 1998 and 2007!

Photobucket

41 posted on 05/19/2012 10:14:20 AM PDT by Sister_T
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To: libstripper
I agree.

My mom told me over & over, “If you tell one lie, you must tell 10 more to cover it”. The end result is often a lying mass of goo blubbering like a fool.

Between Hawaiian officials & Obama, they have more lies going than even Mohammed the Liar could cover with the help of every Jinn in Arabia.

The tactic now is to STALL, STALL, STALL beyond November, when the questions become moot.

42 posted on 05/19/2012 10:16:56 AM PDT by Mister Da (The mark of a wise man is not what he knows, but what he knows he doesn't know!)
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To: Elderberry

“attorney general’s office in Hawaii”

Oh Mister Attorney General in Hawaii, remember Bath-House Barry has ALREADY released his birth certificate to the public. Remember that Mister Attorney General? It’s supposedly already public information.


43 posted on 05/19/2012 10:17:37 AM PDT by Smokeyblue
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To: Elderberry
“Wisch says Hawaii state laws require Bennett to show legal authority that this office needs the records to update its official lists as part of its ordinary work...”

‘Hawaii officials have confirmed multiple times that Obama was born there.”

Under what “legal authority” did they provide it multiple times?

44 posted on 05/19/2012 10:19:43 AM PDT by dmet
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To: Elderberry
Here's the initial certification of Obama's eligibility back in 2008 (note reference to U.S. Constitution at end opening paragraph):

Here's the one that was finally submitted (reference to U.S. Constitution REMOVED):

DOES THIS EXPIRE SEPT. 6, 2011? DO ANY FREEPERS KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT THIS?

45 posted on 05/19/2012 10:22:44 AM PDT by GeorgeWashingtonsGhost
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To: Political Junkie Too

Liberals don’t believe in state sovereignty, so they don’t think it can be proved to their satisfaction, so no BC.

Simple, but corrupt.


46 posted on 05/19/2012 10:22:52 AM PDT by Mister Da (The mark of a wise man is not what he knows, but what he knows he doesn't know!)
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To: Jacquerie
FWIW, I visited the AZ Election Laws online and found them to be close to an incomprehensible mess. I assume there is a section there that allows Bennett to do what he threatens.FWIW, I visited the AZ Election Laws online and found them to be close to an incomprehensible mess. I assume there is a section there that allows Bennett to do what he threatens.

Do you have a link?

47 posted on 05/19/2012 10:24:23 AM PDT by InterceptPoint (TIN)
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To: Elderberry
Here's the initial certification of Obama's eligibility back in 2008 (note reference to U.S. Constitution at end opening paragraph):

Here's the one that was finally submitted (reference to U.S. Constitution REMOVED):

DOES THIS EXPIRE SEPT. 6, 2011? DO ANY FREEPERS KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT THIS?

Source: http://www.wnd.com/2009/09/109363/

48 posted on 05/19/2012 10:24:25 AM PDT by GeorgeWashingtonsGhost
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To: Elderberry
What law? I know they passed some laws to make it harder for people to inquire about BCs. Was this law they are now citing one of the NEW ones they passed to protect Obama?
49 posted on 05/19/2012 10:29:41 AM PDT by faucetman ( Just the facts, ma'am, Just the facts)
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To: tumblindice
It does look like Arizona has obama by the balls.

1. Don't put pukie on the ballot, forcing a lawsuit.

2. Have the official findings of Sheriff Arpio to stand as cause to create cause for denial of putting pukie on the ballot.

3. Go to court and bring in all of the experts on document forgery, and prove the anal swipes the white house put up was pure sofistry.

4. A reasonable judge and jury should be able to use the facts, logic, and reason to understand pukie is a fraud.

50 posted on 05/19/2012 10:32:03 AM PDT by Texas Songwriter (Ia)
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