The Zimmerman case disintegrates

humanevents.com ^ | 21 May, 2012 | John Hayward

[txrangerette]

Don’t get on my case about it by quoting something from the code.

The authorities have the code, too.

You can read it, but you can’t bring an official legal case as a citizen. You have to have a duly constituted government official bring a case.

You can complain, you can tell a prosecutor’s office your situation and you can show them something written in a code. You don’t have the authority, power, to force them to initiate an official legal proceeding, and you yourself can’t do that.

You can file civil lawsuits.

A lawsuit would not be taken up by the judge it was filed with, until your case as a criminal defendant was over.

That’s reality.

Sorry you don’t like it.

I had nothing whatsoever to do with it.

I just reported what it is.

[TigersEye]

The question was, could Zimmerman himself set in motion a prosecution of people who have done him wrong. He cannot. Nobody can do that.

When were citizens deprived of the right to file criminal complaints? That is a major reordering of our justice system.

[Gilbo_3]

the only *case* i got on was that of a condescending answer of 'realityville' to a simple question, which BTW, "Thank You" for taking the time to finally answer in yer last post...8^}

i guess i shouldve just asked if Zimm had 'standing' to file such, and it wouldve been a yes/no answer instead of an attempt to belittle an ally with smartassed comments that didnt answer the question...

[hoe_cake]

Martin smoked marijuana...that explains the Skiddles.

[txrangerette]

I’m not going to waste my time arguing with you, tiger eye.

In my post #41 above, I mention that you can complain to a prosecutor’s office.

The bottom line is you cannot bring down a prosecution on the head of your prosecutor by some kind of insistence or force of law. You can’t make them do anything.

A duly constituted other public official could take action if they chose to against that person.

The judge also has wide discretion within law and precedent to deal with a prosecutor in the ongoing of a case.

If you think I was saying anything else, your problem, not mine.

[TigersEye]

The bottom line is you cannot bring down a prosecution on the head of your prosecutor by some kind of insistence or force of law. You can’t make them do anything.

No, Zimmerman couldn't make them do anything. But he could set the ball in motion by filing a criminal complaint. It's a legal instrument that must be acted upon the same as Angela Corey's indictment.

[StAnDeliver]

"My question for them is, why do you so desperately want an injustice to have occurred? Why are you not content or satisfied that Zimmerman did what he had to do to protect himself?"

For the Amish, it's less about their Emmanuel Goldstein, er, Zimmerman, and more about the fact that they elected one of their own and things got worse, which was in fact what they secretly suspected would happen all along.

[OneWingedShark]

You can read it, but you can’t bring an official legal case as a citizen. You have to have a duly constituted government official bring a case.

If that is the case then:

1. What are private prosecutors? And has common law been invalidated so as to make their use verboten?
2. Explain why 42 USC §1983 - Civil action for deprivation of rights exists, and how a citizen cannot instigate a civil suit on his own behalf.
3. If none of the above are valid, then why is this not precisely a case wherein evils have become insufferable for the entire "system" to be changed?

[hattend]

Gee, could be why the police decided not to take Zimmerman in after they interviewed him at the scene.

[MrEdd]

The system gives the defence a far greater allowance to dismiss jurors.
The jury will be filled with mixed race south american immigrants...and crime victims.

[aruanan]

In the newly released documents, lead homicide officer on the case, Chris Serino of the Sanford Police Department, called the shooting "avoidable" had Zimmerman remained in his vehicle.

Isn't Chris Serino one of those guys who was supposed to have been pissed off at Zimmerman for his having stirred up trouble over the son of someone in the police hierarchy basically getting away with stuff because of his connections?

The shooting would have been avoidable had Martin not told his dad he was going to spend the night at a friend's house and, instead, decided to wander around the neighborhood, or if, after losing Zimmerman, he had gone straight back home or if, after losing Zimmerman, he had himself called 911 and said he was afraid because he was being followed or if, after losing Zimmerman, he had not returned and punched Zimmerman in the nose and started pounding him or if he had not smoked dope and was more capable of making rational decisions about what would be or not be a good idea to do when a. first noticing he was being surveilled, b. losing Zimmerman, c. punching Zimmerman, d. climbing atop Zimmerman and slamming his head on the sidewalk, or e. grabbing for Zimmerman's gun.

[allblues]

“Justice would be Mr. Crump being financially trayvoned.”

There is a bit of justice in the fact that Crump must go through life as a Class A fool.

[rawcatslyentist]

Skiddles are pills. Most likely DMA/ecstacy, or cough medicine.

Iced T is pcp dosed herb.

One question remains unanswered.

Has the burglary rate declined?

[Gilbo_3]

Thanks Sir, i had forgotten the ole private prosecutors angle too...

hopefully zimm has someone backing him financially and can go on offense...

hes basically dead either way, might as well take some big fish down too...

[txrangerette]

Civil action is on the table, as I mentioned.

As for using this case to change the entire system, let’s see YOU do it.

And please hurry up.

(Kidding)

[txrangerette]

Whatever Z does, legally...

It will be done within the legal SYSTEM, not some other way.

Bet on it.

BTW, Zimmerman HAS an attorney.

Just sayin...

[sheikdetailfeather]

Dershowitz said on Fox News a few days ago that even if Zimmerman continued to follow Trayvon and even if Zimmerman provoked the fight, he would have grounds under what is called “imperfect self defense” to shoot Trayvon if he feared for his life.

[OneWingedShark]

Civil action is on the table, as I mentioned.

Clarifying after the post I was replying to, which made it sound as if there was nothing the accused could do.

As for using this case to change the entire system, let’s see YOU do it. And please hurry up.
(Kidding)

Actually, I've been trying to reform the system, various ways; the problem is that I can't ever get to "present my case"... it's always somebody else's fault/problem/responsibility.

1. State Constitutional Violations by State Statute
2. State Constitutional Violations by State Supreme Court
3. How States could tell the Fed off

Though, none of those are about "this case," except insofar as a Constitution that will not be enforced is no guarantee at all.

[BerryDingle]