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Obama's grand miscalculation with Catholics (loses 14 points with Catholics over Mandate)
Fox News ^ | May 22, 2012 | Maureen Malloy Ferguson,

Posted on 05/24/2012 3:18:47 PM PDT by NYer

The news Monday that 43 different Catholic entities across the country are suing the Obama administration, in response to the Health and Human Services' (HHS) rule mandating employer health care coverage of contraception, abortion-inducing drugs, and sterilization, comes as a blow to the president's strength among Catholics, a demographic that helped carry him to victory in 2008.

This news comes on the heels of the the latest CBS News/New York Times poll which finds Mitt Romney now leading President Obama among women, yet another demographic that he previously commanded.

If Mr. Obama was hoping to once again rely on Catholics and women to help carry him to electoral success in 2012, it appears as though he is miscalculating.

A recent survey by the Pew Research Center shows that, despite the administration’s self-portrayal as the champion of “women’s issues” amidst a supposed Republican “war on women,” the president’s reelection advantage among women has declined in recent months as well as with another key demographic -- Catholics.

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The Pew survey finds that, among Catholic voters with an opinion, 47% would today vote for President Obama, and 52% for former Massachusetts Governor Mitt Romney.  

That same margin, were it to hold on Election Day, would mark a swing of 18 million voters away from Obama.  

The loss of these Catholic votes alone would remake the 2008 electoral map, delivering Florida to Governor Romney and leaving the president no margin for error in Colorado or Ohio.

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The Obama administration no doubt knew it would lose some support with Catholics in the mandate. But they surely did not anticipate the strong and unified voice with which Catholic leaders, in particular bishops, responded even after the administration offered a compromise widely rejected as an accounting gimmick. 

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; Government; Philosophy
KEYWORDS: 2012; abortion; catholic; deathpanels; elections; gaymarriage; homosexualagenda; kenyanbornmuzzie; nobama2012; obama; obamacare; swrdswllwngsdshw; zerocare

1 posted on 05/24/2012 3:18:55 PM PDT by NYer
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2 posted on 05/24/2012 3:19:56 PM PDT by NYer (Open to scriptural suggestions.)
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To: NYer

Look for Obama to work in the Fatima Prayer and do the sign of the cross at his next press conference.


3 posted on 05/24/2012 3:22:35 PM PDT by skeeter
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To: skeeter
Look for Obama to work in the Fatima Prayer and do the sign of the cross at his next press conference.

He can't ... his head would explode halfway through. I doubt he could choke out "forgive us our sins".

4 posted on 05/24/2012 3:25:16 PM PDT by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilization is Aborting, Buggering, and Contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: NYer

I’m thankful to the church leaders for standing up for religious liberty in this country.


5 posted on 05/24/2012 3:29:54 PM PDT by SaraJohnson
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To: NYer

Gee, you’d think running the economy into the toilet might sway a few Catholics too but, hey, whatever works...


6 posted on 05/24/2012 3:30:52 PM PDT by OrangeHoof (Our economy won't heal until one particular black man is unemployed.)
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To: NYer

The guy actually can’t be that bright. What percent of women REALLY care if some rich spoiled slut at a Catholic can’t get the government to pay for her birth control. Maybe the 10% of the radical liberal women.

Yet, he makes it so a man can enter and use a woman’s bathroom\locker room. I bet 90% of women hate the idea of a guy walking in on their bathroom.


7 posted on 05/24/2012 3:35:07 PM PDT by MNDude
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To: skeeter

“Look for Obama to work in the Fatima Prayer and do the sign of the cross at his next press conference.”

He’ll arrange a holographic visitation from the Virgin of Guadalupe with a symphony playing. She will pray to him. It’ll be a two’fer—Catholics and Central Americans.


8 posted on 05/24/2012 3:35:19 PM PDT by ModelBreaker
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To: NYer

It’s sad that it’s as high as 47%.


9 posted on 05/24/2012 3:35:44 PM PDT by ReformationFan
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To: skeeter
Look for Obama to work in the Fatima Prayer and do the sign of the cross at his next press conference.

This seemed to work the first time:


10 posted on 05/24/2012 3:36:58 PM PDT by the invisib1e hand (they have no god but caesar)
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To: NYer
Lose them? He used them. The mission -- get him elected, get kennedycare passed -- was handily accomplished and couldn't have been without the complicity of Kennedy catholics.

It's the rest of us that are losing.

11 posted on 05/24/2012 3:39:53 PM PDT by the invisib1e hand (they have no god but caesar)
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To: skeeter

Look for the ground to open a chasm at his feet and the flames to lick his wingtip shoes.


12 posted on 05/24/2012 3:41:46 PM PDT by Mrs. Don-o (Heh.)
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To: NYer

Nationwide, Obama had 9.55 million more ballots cast for him (counting fictional, dead, and other fraudulent votes) than McCain received. A swing of 18 million votes would basically give Romney the same margin of victory as Obama had, along with a significant electoral victory given the geographic distribution of Catholics. It’s hard to get excited about Romney in any way, but I will celebrate when it’s announced that Obama has been defeated and again when a real swearing in ceremony removes the communist from our White House.

Note: I also pray that we can send a conservative House and Senate to DC to restrain any big government impulses from whichever liberal wins in November. That priority is why all conservatives must vote in the down-ticket races, regardless of their feelings for Romney.


13 posted on 05/24/2012 3:48:54 PM PDT by Pollster1 (“A boy becomes a man when a man is needed.” - John Steinbeck)
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To: NYer
(loses 14 points with Catholics over Mandate)

14 points?!

Are you telling me the other 86% are "catholic" babykillers?

14 posted on 05/24/2012 3:50:57 PM PDT by ROCKLOBSTER (Celebrate Republicans Freed the Slaves Month.)
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You know, I STILL can believe the arrogance of Obama: FORCING the Catholic Church's educational institutions to provide contraception and ABORTION in their health service systems.

I've ALWAYS known that he was horrifically under-qualified for the office he has but I didn't think that he was THIS stupid.

15 posted on 05/24/2012 3:52:22 PM PDT by cloudmountain
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To: cloudmountain

You know, I STILL can believe the arrogance of Obama: FORCING the Catholic Church’s educational institutions to provide contraception and ABORTION in their health service systems.

I’ve ALWAYS known that he was horrifically under-qualified for the office he has but I didn’t think that he was THIS stupid.


It’s simple: He’s evil.


16 posted on 05/24/2012 3:56:41 PM PDT by unkus (Silence Is Consent)
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To: NYer

Can’t we just refer to Obama’s and the Democats’ “War on the Unborn?” or “War on Unborn Babies?”


17 posted on 05/24/2012 3:58:45 PM PDT by EDINVA
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To: ROCKLOBSTER
14 points?!
Are you telling me the other 86% are "catholic" babykillers?

Well, you CAN subtract, I'll give you that.

The 14 points lower are from an unknown number. That essential bit of information was left out. No need for you to extrapolate on that number being 100. That would be false.
We don't KNOW how many Catholics are for/anti-abortion, do we? We just 'know' that there are less now who are pro-abortion.

These are all magical, practically meaningless numbers. IMHO.

18 posted on 05/24/2012 3:59:34 PM PDT by cloudmountain
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To: cloudmountain
We don't KNOW how many Catholics are for/anti-abortion, do we?

Well, I wasn't talking about Catholics, I assume they are pro-life. You'll notice I referred to "catholics".

19 posted on 05/24/2012 4:06:12 PM PDT by ROCKLOBSTER (Celebrate Republicans Freed the Slaves Month.)
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To: ROCKLOBSTER
Well, I wasn't talking about Catholics, I assume they are pro-life. You'll notice I referred to "catholics".

Excuse the mistake. I assumed that you forgot to capitalize.

BTW: What are "catholics"--"universals"??

20 posted on 05/24/2012 4:11:37 PM PDT by cloudmountain
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To: ROCKLOBSTER
14 points?!
Are you telling me the other 86% are "catholic" babykillers?

Lol. You didn't mean Catholics? WHAT "other" 86% were you referring to?
You are so FULL of it.

21 posted on 05/24/2012 4:18:30 PM PDT by cloudmountain
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To: unkus
It’s simple: He’s evil.

True!
And stupid.

22 posted on 05/24/2012 4:19:59 PM PDT by cloudmountain
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To: NYer

Though few Americans know much about him other than his name, Otto von Bismarck was perhaps the most brilliant diplomat of the 19th Century, involved in the most cutthroat of realpolitik schemes that amounted to “war by other means”.

He was in his own way, as effective and ruthless as Abraham Lincoln, a contemporary of his. I mention this because one of the very few times Bismarck “came a cropper” was when he decided to overpower the Catholic church.

Obama ain’t no Bismarck.

This effort by his apostate Catholic, Sibelius, will likely be remembered as the worst political gaffe since Jimmy Carter’s “malaise” speech. But its effects to the Democrat party may be far worse, and long term in its consequences.


23 posted on 05/24/2012 4:32:54 PM PDT by yefragetuwrabrumuy
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I can’t believe any real Catholic would vote for him.


24 posted on 05/24/2012 5:13:04 PM PDT by doug from upland (Just in case, it has been reserved: www.TheBitchIsBack2012.com)
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I'm Catholic and a Woman and don't see how any truly Catholic woman could EVER vote for Obama.
25 posted on 05/24/2012 5:19:18 PM PDT by MacMattico
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Grrrr! The Pew survey finds that, among Catholic voters with an opinion, 47% would today vote for President Obama...

Just what is wrong with these people?

26 posted on 05/24/2012 5:23:29 PM PDT by Robwin
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To: NYer

**The Pew survey finds that, among Catholic voters with an opinion, 47% would today vote for President Obama, and 52% for former Massachusetts Governor Mitt Romney.**

Now who was I arguing about this with? LOL!


27 posted on 05/24/2012 5:23:52 PM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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Real Catholics never voted for him; he is losing the half-hearted ones. If the hierarchy had done its job in 2008 he wouldn’t even have won the election...


28 posted on 05/24/2012 5:25:19 PM PDT by kearnyirish2
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To: ROCKLOBSTER
Not many Catholics are Pro-Abortion, sadly 75% of the ones I know voted for Obama in 2008.
29 posted on 05/24/2012 5:37:22 PM PDT by DHSMostWanted (Stand against the Looters!)
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To: DHSMostWanted

90 % of the Catholics I know, 100% of those in my parish, voted against Obama in 2008.

See, the people you know may not reflect accurately the group they belong to.

“Catholic” is used by a lot of people who have long since abandoned any pretext of following the Church’s teaching.

The term “Catholic” when used in polls and political analysis is a next-to-meaningless term. You have to break it down by regular Mass attendance etc.


30 posted on 05/24/2012 5:41:51 PM PDT by Houghton M. (t)
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To: ROCKLOBSTER
I found it interesting that my Mother, a craw thumper of the most Irish Catholic Kind, changed her registration to independent after being a LIFE Time rat before she died.

There is, I hope, an underground thing going on that is changing the metrics of American politics, I think that you Mainiacs, judging from the last State election , might be waking up.

31 posted on 05/24/2012 6:01:07 PM PDT by Little Bill (Sorry)
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What are "catholics"

Wannabes, social cafeteria catholics, the Pelosian "catholic" RAT-legislator, who steals the Catholic vote and then stabs them in the back by voting pro-baby killer in their legislative body.

32 posted on 05/24/2012 7:06:40 PM PDT by ROCKLOBSTER (Celebrate Republicans Freed the Slaves Month.)
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To: yefragetuwrabrumuy

Otto von Bismarck was a vehement anti-Catholic. He promoted the “May laws” which persecuted the Catholic clergy, especially in the Rheinland. This was in the 1870’s. Eventually they had to repeal these hideous, discriminatory laws. Most people do not have knowledge of this sort of religious intolernace in Germany in the last 19th century. It was a prototype for events to come in the 20th century.

Dictators who want control of their people always begin with the religious leaders of the people and try to undermine the influence of such institutions. They go after the biggesgt fish in the hope that if they can destroy their influence,they will have clear sailing to over run all other oposition.


33 posted on 05/24/2012 9:02:03 PM PDT by Gumdrop
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It’s sad that it’s as high as 47%.

Sad, it is beyond sad that so many either don't know or don't care about their faith

34 posted on 05/25/2012 1:51:29 AM PDT by verga (Party like it is 1773)
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the democrat party should have lost Catholics a long time ago. Wondering where this outrage has been all this time!?


35 posted on 05/25/2012 4:54:40 AM PDT by libdestroyer
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All 8 of my great-grandparents came here from Bavaria and Rheinpfalz (Eichstatt area) in the 1870's to escape the German Kulturkampf. Bismarck exiled thousands of priests, suppressed religious orders, put Bishops in jail, took over Catholic schools, screwed around with the definition of marriage, jailed priests who wouldn't cooperate with the "new" civil marriage.

(Sound familiar?)

One way we're at an even worse disasdantage here: some of our clergy and people are on he other side. Most of our Universities are long gone over to the secular mindset (I mean LONG gone: since the Land 'o' Lakes Conference in 1967) and I have big worries about the Catholic Hospitals. Still, we're at the turning of the times. Our B16-era leaders are finding their backbones. It's a great time to be Catholic.

36 posted on 05/25/2012 7:26:52 AM PDT by Mrs. Don-o (In paradisum deducant te Angeli..)
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To: ROCKLOBSTER
Wannabes, social cafeteria catholics, the Pelosian "catholic" RAT-legislator, who steals the Catholic vote and then stabs them in the back by voting pro-baby killer in their legislative body.

Ah! Now I understand.

37 posted on 05/25/2012 8:57:35 AM PDT by cloudmountain
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Excellent!


38 posted on 05/28/2012 11:46:06 PM PDT by SuziQ
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