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Critics wonder: Could the F-22's skin be the problem?
stars and Stripes ^ | May 27, 2012 | By HUGH LESSIG

Posted on 05/27/2012 7:09:17 PM PDT by Jet Jaguar

The Air Force says its F-22 Raptor brings something to the battle that no other U.S. jet fighter can match: Its ability to evade radar through stealth technology.

But now critics are offering up a troubling hypothesis: Could the very materials that make the Raptor stealthy be contributing to problems of dizziness and disorientation that some pilots have experienced in the cockpit?

Air Force investigators are looking into the possibility that toxic substances are infiltrating the pilot's air supply. That's one of their main theories. The other is that pilots are simply not getting enough oxygen.

Pierre Sprey, who was heavily involved in the design of the F-16 fighter and has been critical of the F-22, noted many possible sources for toxic fumes on a jet like the Raptor, such as hydraulic fluid or overheated plastics.

His belief that stealth coatings play a role is based on anecdotes that seem unique to the F-22 — the so-called "Raptor cough" and feelings of disorientation that persist well after a mission ends. He recently outlined his views in an article co-authored with Dina Rasor, an investigator and author who founded the Bauman and Rasor Group, which helps whistleblowers file lawsuits under federal law.

Sprey said if those symptoms are unique to Raptor pilots, perhaps it's connected to what is unique about the Raptor itself: The stealth material, which contains layers bonded together with noxious adhesives.

It is a "very, very serious problem if materials in the Raptor skin are generating vapors at levels high enough to cause a pilot to feel dizzy, he said.

"By the time it gets high enough to give you something like hypoxia, you've really had a snootful," he said.

Sen. Mark R. Warner has heard from several Raptor pilots and Air Force flight surgeons who have confided their concerns about the fighter. The idea that the stealth coatings could be source of toxins is one of the theories coming "from credible people," said Warner spokesman Kevin Hall.

No evidence

The Air Force says there is no clinical evidence that the Raptor is making pilots sick, and it has other explanations for the persistent cough and disorientation that, in a few cases, lasts beyond the end of the mission.

Meanwhile, it continues to investigate 11 unexplained incidents of hypoxia that have occurred since September, when the aircraft returned to the skies after a four-month stand-down. Earlier hypoxia incidents had prompted the stand-down, and the Air Force lifted it without determining the root cause of the problem, although it enacted additional safety measures and vowed to monitor the condition of pilots.

Investigators now believe that the 11 incidents might be caused by several factors that could be interconnected in some way, according to Brig Gen. Daniel Wyman, the Air Combat Command surgeon general.

"It may be part of their operating environment," he recently told reporters. "It may be part of the systems we have in place in the aircraft to protect them. It may be part of some potential contaminant. It may be all of those. We continue to look at that. But the manifestations are all physiologic."

Raptor cough

F-22 pilots breathe in high concentrations of oxygen while experiencing high G forces during flight. It prevents them from passing out during intense pressure that literally multiplies their body weight. Inhaling oxygen-rich air can cause "micro-collapse" of smaller air sacs in the lungs, and coughing is a natural response to re-inflate them, Wyman said.

Wyman said the cough occurs more frequently in F-22 pilots than in the earlier F-15s or F-16s. Many F-22 pilots used to fly those older jets, so they have some basis for comparison. The cough may relate to the expanded capabilities of the Raptor.

"The flight envelope of the F-22 is significantly different than the other fighters," he said, "and this may contribute to this cough, but we are continuing to evaluate it with our pilots."

Lingering symptoms

The problems of the Raptor made national headlines earlier this month when two Virginia Air National Guard pilots went on "60 Minutes" and said they were uncomfortable flying the aircraft. Capt. Josh Wilson mentioned that he not only experienced a hypoxia scare in the cockpit, but later underwent therapy in a hyperbaric chamber as his problems persisted.

Hyperbaric therapy, Wyman said, is the delivery of 100 percent oxygen under pressure, used to treat hypoxia, carbon monoxide poisoning, decompression sickness and even helping wounds that are slow to heal.

In most cases, the hypoxia symptoms in Raptor cockpits have gone way when the pilot activated the emergency oxygen system in the cockpit, Wyman said. Sometimes the pilots land and immediately breathe pure oxygen to resolve them.

"In a very few cases," the symptoms last until the next morning, Wyman said. In two cases, hyperbaric treatments were used and the symptoms were cleared up, he said.

The bottom line: Investigators don't have a definitive explanation for these symptoms, nor have they found convincing evidence linking these symptoms to the extended presence of toxins.

OBOGS

So far, a good deal of attention has focused on the Raptor's on-board oxygen generation system, or OBOGS. The system takes air from the engine and runs it through a high-tech sieve, so the pilot breathes a higher concentration of oxygen.

Winslow Wheeler directs the Center for Defense Information, now part of the Project on Government Oversight. He notes that some airmen who work to maintain the F-22 have also experienced hypoxia incidents. They weren't breathing air in the cockpit, and that seems to point away from the OBOGS system.

"It's very possible there is some sort of toxin or contamination problem," he said. "The fact that the ground crew have had some events and pilots have reported vertigo or dizziness well after the flight – it's evidence that this is just not an oxygen-deprivation problem."


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs
KEYWORDS: f22

1 posted on 05/27/2012 7:09:24 PM PDT by Jet Jaguar
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To: Jet Jaguar

What parts are manufactured by entities outside of the US? My bet is sabotage/espionage, but I like a good spy novel.


2 posted on 05/27/2012 7:15:19 PM PDT by rarestia (It's time to water the Tree of Liberty.)
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To: Jet Jaguar

I am thinking along the lines of the divers’ Draeger systems of rebreathing. When moisture/water gets in there it gets contaminated and produces Carbon monoxide.


3 posted on 05/27/2012 7:23:53 PM PDT by JudgemAll (Democrats Fed. job-security Whorocracy & hate:hypocrites must be gay like us or be tested/crucified)
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To: Jet Jaguar
Question. Does the F-22 have a LOX bottle? Or does it have some fancy oxygen generator gadget?

/johnny

4 posted on 05/27/2012 7:27:26 PM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: JRandomFreeper

No LOX, OBOGS.


5 posted on 05/27/2012 7:34:20 PM PDT by A.A. Cunningham (Barry Soetoro is a Kenyan communist)
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The Air Force says its F-22 Raptor brings something to the battle that no other U.S. jet fighter can match: Its ability to evade radar through stealth technology.

The zoomies used to make the same claims with a straight face about the F-117 and B-2 and then turn around and generate ATOs tasking VMAQ and VAQ squadrons to supply Prowlers for SEAD. Stealth technology reduces detection range it does not make one invisible to RADAR.

6 posted on 05/27/2012 7:39:03 PM PDT by A.A. Cunningham (Barry Soetoro is a Kenyan communist)
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To: Jet Jaguar

From the article

“which helps whistleblowers file lawsuits under federal law. “

“has been critical of the F-22”

“Winslow Wheeler directs the Center for Defense Information, now part of the Project on Government Oversight” (POGO, directed by Danielle Brian)

From http://www.shesource.org/experts/profile/danielle-brian

“Under her watch, POGO prevailed in a lawsuit against then-Attorney General John Ashcroft for retroactively classifying FBI documents; forced the government to apply environmental standards to the super-secret Area 51 facility; forced the Nuclear Regulatory Commission to back down on its excessive secrecy regarding lax security at the Indian Point Nuclear Power Plant outside New York City; and has advocated for the rights of whistleblowers and other dissenters to have their voices heard.”

It looks like we have a group (POGO) which uses the “noble whistleblower” role as a tool to either stop defense projects or perhaps, through Disclosure during trial, to pry classified information from the government agencies or contractors.

Occam’s Razor says look here.

“in most cases, the hypoxia symptoms in Raptor cockpits have gone way when the pilot activated the emergency oxygen system in the cockpit,”


7 posted on 05/27/2012 7:39:46 PM PDT by BwanaNdege (Man has often lost his way, but modern man has lost his address - Gilbert K. Chesterton)
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To: Jet Jaguar

Oh gee wiz golly, now it looks like the Obama regime’s loose lips factory will have to release detailed classified specs of the F-22’s skin composition.


8 posted on 05/27/2012 7:41:08 PM PDT by Obama_Is_Sabotaging_America
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To: JRandomFreeper
It uses the OBOGS system mentioned in the original article. The system has been in use for years on many other aircraft.

Here's a brief overview of the system from a T-6A trainer;

http://www.t6driver.com/systems_oboggs.html

My guess as to what's wrong is none of the above suggested in the original article but cheap Chinese parts that the powers that be go out of their way to avoid acknowledging are a problem.

9 posted on 05/27/2012 7:41:46 PM PDT by Hillarys Gate Cult (Liberals make unrealistic demands on reality and reality doesn't oblige them.)
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To: JRandomFreeper
I think you are on the right track...The F-22 has something called OBOGS...the On-board Oxygen Generation System. It is capable of providing pilots with automatically regulated oxygen up to an altitude of 31,000 ft under positive pressure. The oxygen is obtained from the engine's left-side P3 port. The oxygen is "extracted from conditioned air by pressure swing absorption through a molecular sieve."

The only negative aspect of the OBOGS is its reliance on the engine. If the engine dies, the OBOGS fails. However, each pilot oxygen connector is fitted with an anti-suffocation valve. In my opinion, I think it should be called a "suffocation" valve since it takes quite an effort to breathe without OBOGS.

Some numbers you should know:

From sea level to 15K', OBOGS provides 25-70% oxygen concentration

From 15K' and up, OBOGS provides 45-95% oxygen concentration

10 posted on 05/27/2012 7:44:27 PM PDT by woofer2425 (Obama inhales immensely!)
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To: A.A. Cunningham
Call me a dumbass cook, but if they didn't have problems with a lox tank onboard, and do, with with new system.... What changed? We didn't cover O2 generators in culinary school. But if it's broke, fix it.

Who benefits from the OBOGS system, in $$$s?

/johnny

11 posted on 05/27/2012 7:44:47 PM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: woofer2425
DUDE! I'm a frigging cook. Numerical integration of partial differential equations is WAY above my pay grade. Even if I can do it.

/johnny

12 posted on 05/27/2012 7:50:42 PM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: JRandomFreeper

An OBOGS saves weight and simplifies a logistics train. Weight is a major factor in design of any fighter aircraft. But I see your point. I don’t know if this has been tried yet, but the AF should just fly some 22’s with just old style LOX system and see if the same things happen. If it does then then we would know for sure the OBOGS is not the problem and they should look somewhere else.


13 posted on 05/27/2012 8:06:46 PM PDT by NYFreeper
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To: NYFreeper

Except (and I’m being totally serious) doing so is a violation of union contracts that forbid it. Those planes must be serviced in that way by union companies and their current contracts do not specify it. Further, it would void the insurance contracts of the manufacturers, all of which are cast in titanium.

In order to strap in a ‘foreign/non speced system’ they would literally have to rewrite the program.

Stupid? Totally. But Unions are at the root of the problem. Solving the problem in an efficient and logical manner would cause lawsuits unending, strikes and more.

And people wonder why the F35 is in deep poop?


14 posted on 05/27/2012 8:49:06 PM PDT by Norm Lenhart
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To: Jet Jaguar

They can measure how much O2 is coming through a mask, it would be easy to tell if it’s not enough O2 or not. Cripes.


15 posted on 05/27/2012 9:07:46 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man (I can neither confirm or deny that; even if I could, I couldn't - it's classified.)
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To: woofer2425
I wasn't too keen on the mask training done in the hypobaric chamber. You have to flip the right valves and suck the oxygen. Do it wrong and you suffocate. The training class took us from sea level to 26,000 ft in 60 seconds. That can cause teeth with gas voids to explode. In the overnight period after pure oxygen use, the fluids in the inner ear pass the oxygen to the body leaving a significant and sometimes painful inner ear vacuum.
16 posted on 05/27/2012 9:41:41 PM PDT by Myrddin
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To: Jet Jaguar

Decades ago, there was a problem in Germany with Lockheed F-104 Starfighters doing nose dives into the ground. Lore has it that the problem was traced to an oxygen supply company whose compressor intakes for the bottles was near an engine exhaust or some such. The Starfighters got the nickname ‘Post Hole Digger’...


17 posted on 05/28/2012 2:49:47 AM PDT by Gaffer
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To: JRandomFreeper
Question. Does the F-22 have a LOX bottle? Or does it have some fancy oxygen generator gadget?

Not sure, but I hear it does have a BAGEL toaster oven...

18 posted on 05/28/2012 4:06:10 AM PDT by trebb ("If a man will not work, he should not eat" From 2 Thes 3)
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To: rarestia

Something in the supply chain from China?


19 posted on 05/29/2012 9:52:29 AM PDT by TheBattman (Isn't the lesser evil... still evil?)
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To: TheBattman

That was my thought.


20 posted on 05/29/2012 10:05:25 AM PDT by rarestia (It's time to water the Tree of Liberty.)
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