Posted on 05/30/2012 9:51:48 AM PDT by JohnKinAK
Caminiti’s charges allege that two of the children beaten by followers of his doctrine were only two months old. When the beatings were stopped by authorities in 2010, the oldest victim was only five years old.
I can't quite figure out how a two month-old child would deserve a beating.
“I can’t quite figure out how a two month-old child would deserve a beating. “
Under no circumstance.
Do you know what “conspiracy to commit child abuse” consists of?
I’d hardly hold up this conviction as abandonment of the Constitution. But if it suits your personal agenda....
Having relatives who are Ex-Amish, if this is what amounts to a conspiracy to commit child abuse then the Amish are in real trouble. They might as well send the SWAT teams out to every Amish community and arrest the parents and preachers for conspiracy today.
Here’s the dirty little secret you won’t find in any MSM article: This is really all about the State finding an excuse to take the kids from their parents and turn them over to the State Sponsored Pedophiles who are within the Child Protective Services.
“Caminiti would instruct church members and his own adult children to beat crying infants and toddlers with wooden spoons and dowels on their bare bottoms.”
That sounds like conspiracy to commit child abuse all right. I don’t see what’s so outrageous about the conviction. People who beat children—babies—are as bad as child molesters.
No, this is not a free speech case. This guy was not charged with "preaching" this sort of "discipline" to his congregation. He was chardged with and convicted of specifically instructing individual congregants on how to discipline children as young as two months old using a rod to inflict pain; those congregants agreed with him and then, in fact, used rods to discipline their children. Legally and Constitutionally, there is a huge difference between those two situations - the former is Constitutionally-protected speech and religious preaching, while the latter is a conspiracy to commit child abuse.
UM spanking and abuse are not equivalent. Half the time when I was spanked it didn’t hurt, and the other half of the time it didn’t hurt as badly even as stubbing my toe. For me, spanking was disapproval; spanking was being held accountable. The pain of spanking was the pain of knowing I had done wrong and the pain of being caught.
The worst part is that spanking is treated like an evil, and yet there are people out there openly advocating pedophilia as something normal and okay!! Freedom of speech for the babyrapers, but not for the Christians who say to discipline children? I guess spanking is only acceptable if its a pedo advocating it as part of a “valid” relationship with the children.
In the days of Noah, what was it like? Only 8 people were left who were righteous in the eyes of the Lord. There are more than 8 Christians out there and we are told that the end will be like the days of Noah. It’s going to get worse, people.
But Dane County Circuit Judge Maryann Sumi was absolutely horrified that some parents would actually use a wooden spoon to spank their little children when they misbehaved.
That judge needs a good spanking
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Absolutely. I nominate John Wayne for the job.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T12-qzPW9Gg
” But then, if it DID happen 150 years ago, the judge and jailers would have to answer to an angry mob of armed American citizens and there would be no SWAT Teams or other sophisticated paramilitary forces there to protect them. “
Correct
The sad thing is every preacher from every church that believes in the Bible should have been speaking out against this. Unfortunately, I guess there aren’t enough churches who believe in the Bible. And there are many who do believe but are cowards.
People who beat children—babies—are as bad as child molesters.
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People who beat children - babies - ARE child molesters. One and the same.
Free speech and religious freedom is all fine and good until their freedom to practice their religion as they see fit goes against basic common sense and basic humanity and rules of a “civilized” society and the basic and fundamental Constitutional rights of others not to be beaten or abused in an egregious fashion.
He’s not advocating “spare the rod, spoil the child” in any sort of “biblical” or common sense sort of way. What he’s advocating is the beating with a wooden dowel of two month old infants for being “selfish” and doing what any normal two month old infant is prone to do, which is to cry sometimes.
I for one would like to take a rod to this asshat’s ass and beat him severely until he cries and pleads for mercy and then beat him some more for good measure.
How can any decent human being see and hold a two month old infant in their arms and think for even one moment that beating them is OK?
This is not a religious freedom case unless any of you here really think that advocating child abuse falls under the protection of religious freedom. Again, we are not talking about spanking an unruly child but beating a two month old infant with a wooden dowel for the egregious “crime” of crying.
I’m amazed and disappointed that some here are actually defending this monster.
And that verbal “instruction” is not protected as free speech, and it should constitute a conspiracy to commit child abuse, a criminal conviction, and jail time?
Hmmm. Think about that.
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The folks who actually had access to all of the facts, and were instructed on the relevant portions of Wisconsin law found the guy guilty in a hot minute.
Hmmm. Think about that.
Yep spanking is bad, and abortion is good. We indeed do live in a age where evil is good and good is evil.
Wisconsin judge jails pastor for telling parents they can spank their child
FReep Mail me if you want on, or off, this Wisconsin interest ping list. Judge Sumi rears her head again.
>>He essentially advocated beating children into submission because they were “exhibiting ‘selfish crying’,” according to what he told police.
Response:
So what? <<
And if a cult leader talked your son or daughter into committing suicide, no consequences? In Wisconsin, anyway? Just curious.
Free speech is a right, but rights come with responsibilities. This pastor abused his right, and is responsible for convincing people to abuse children. Very similar to yelling “fire” in a crowded theater.
Correct - no consequences. The chance you take to keep freedom of speech. Similarly I take a chance that some scumbag will shoot me every day (we all do), but I far rather take my chances with that than lose my 2nd amendment rights.
Free speech is a right, but rights come with responsibilities
Absolutely true, but you and I differ on what these responsibilities are. If the morons decided to heed his advice, then THEY are the ones at fault. Not him. The responsibility is to tell the truth. In this case he's neither telling the truth or a lie. He's expressing his (idiotic) opinion. If you believe some idiot's opinion, and act foolishly or criminally on his opinion when he doesn't, who's the idiot?
Very similar to yelling “fire” in a crowded theater.
TOTAL BS not in the least similar. One is based on a quick panic situation where you have to act immediately. The other is something you can think about and come to a conclusion on your own with plenty of time to contemplate the ramifications. Don't piss on my head and tell me it's raining.
I'm amazed and disappointed that so many people on a supposedly conservative forum are so abysmally ignorant of the constitution and what constitutes rights that they think it's a good thing to lock someone up for expressing an opinion, no matter how moronic the opinion. That my statist FRiend is the end of freedom, and you're advocating it.
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