Posted on 05/31/2012 10:21:17 PM PDT by Kaslin
1) Any illegal alien caught in this country should be forever barred from legally visiting this country, working here, or becoming an American citizen.
2) If you take welfare or food stamps or if your kids have to get free meals at school, you should be ashamed. Your kids should feel ashamed by your failure, too.
3) There is no such thing as a conflict between Christianity and science or a reason for any Christian to have his religious beliefs override any conclusions that he'd reach by simply following the science. Any and all apparent conflicts between science and God are just a result of our limited human understanding. If there was evolution, God chose that path. If the world was created by a "Big Bang," God set it in motion.
4) William Bennett once said it was "morally plausible" to execute drug dealers. I agree with him. I'd also like to see the death penalty expanded to cover rape and child molestation as well.
5) It's unlikely to ever happen, but we'd be much better off in this country if the voting age were 25 and only people who paid income tax could vote.
6) All people except the poor should be paying enough in taxes to cover all the services they receive from the government each year. If they don't want to pay that much, then we should cut government down to a level that they think is worth paying.
7) On average, government workers should make less than people who do the same jobs in private industry.
8) Government workers also shouldn't be allowed to unionize. The Democrats give the government unions more taxpayer money and the unions take part of that money and use it to campaign for the Democrats, who then promise to give them more money in return. It's nothing but the Democratic Party and the unions collaborating against the taxpayers.
9) Ninety nine times out of a hundred when someone cries racism, it's either a lame excuse or a political tactic.
10) If you're a Christian, then your faith requires you to oppose gay marriage.
11) I wish the best for people everywhere, but I'm not a citizen of the world. I'm an American and our country comes first.
12) The biggest threat to America's future isn't Al-Qaeda, China, or Iran; it's our own government spending so much money that it bankrupts the country.
13) If you sue someone and lose, you should have to pay his legal bills.
14) Hand counting ballots is LESS ACCURATE than machine counting them and it allows human beings to manipulate the results of the election with arbitrary counting standards.
15) People who think black Americans are too stupid and incompetent to handle getting a voter ID are just as racist as the KKK, although they show it differently.
16) If public universities want to hire terrorists and communists to teach their classes, harass Christians, push around Republican groups, and bring in liberal speakers, but not conservatives, then state legislators should cut off their taxpayer funding until they behave.
17) We don't need to get religion out of politics; we need to get more religion in politics. The politicians certainly don't seem to have any qualms about stepping into areas better left to the church; so pastors have to be willing to encourage their flocks to vote their values to protect themselves from a rapacious government.
18) The whole purpose of our immigration system should be to benefit the Americans who are already here. Therefore, we should favor the best and brightest emigrants from Western cultures. Other immigrants to this country who get in because of family ties should have someone who's willing to vouch for them and take care of them if they have hard times. No naturalized American citizens should ever be eligible for food stamps, welfare, school lunches, or any other hand-outs from their fellow citizens.
19) You can no more change your sex than you can change from a human being into a Water Buffalo. Believing otherwise is a mental disorder that should be handled by a psychologist, not catered to with surgery. A doctor wouldn't cut off a healthy person's leg if he asked or cut out part of someone's brain because a voice in his head wanted it and sex change operations shouldn't be done either.
20) People who've served time in prison for committing a felony may have been punished, but they haven't "paid their debt to society." Repaying their debt would require them to be rehabilitated and to fully compensate their victims, which isn't even possible in some cases. Additionally, even if society forgives, it shouldn't forget. There's no way a felon should ever have the right to vote, own a gun, or teach children among other activities.
Done in Convention by the Unanimous Consent of the States present the Seventeenth Day of September in the Year of our Lord one thousand seven hundred and Eighty seven and of the Independence of the United States of America the Twelfth. In Witness whereof We have hereunto subscribed our Names.
The reference is hardly ambiguous, and they chose the possessive pronoun instead of the definite article. They balanced it with with a reference to the Declaration of Independence.
I don't believe they wrote carelessly or mindlessly.
Moral Absolutes Ping.
Pretty good truths here. Unless someone - like jazzo - is a liberal and these piss you off.
I don’t understand why people think republicans are neaderthals???? Especially with clear thinkers like you???? People that reject your brand of “Christian Morals” are not all liberals. I bet your one of those “individual rights are a code word for liberals” type “conservatives”, aren’t you??? It’s not the economy, it’s not the religon, it’s not your stance on the moral dillema de jour (french, must be a liberal), it’s not the moral absolutes that makes America unique. IT’S THE LIBERTY, SIR!!!!!
BTW All you Christians out there that know Jesus so well, let me ask you a questions?????
Is Mitt Romeny a Christian?????
Your claim that i am not a Christian says all I need to know about your Ministry. Here is another question I am sure you will avoid.
If the founders felt like you do why is it they failed to put their “God” before their “Country”????
Religious Freedom, not tolerance is what “Won the Day”, and no hyperbole you offer can change that, The founders knew that if you give religious fanatics a little rope well you the rest..........
Finally, I am not anti-christian, in fact I am a Christian, apparently my brand is different than yours. And because I support the idea of America above all does not mean I support the government or it's policies. I do not like some of the things you enumerate, but it is an individuals right, because they are an American to live their lives as they see fit, within the law. It's quite simple pal it is NOT YOUR RELIGIOUS BELIEFS THAT MAKE YOU AMERICAN. Americans that love gay marriage are just as American as you and I. You and I may not like it, but that's the way it is and I think there are better ways to change those peoples minds, then beating them over the head with the “Good Book”.
“Really? Christianity is the most true religion? Says you.”
You are free to pretend that my say-so is the only proof, if you like.
“So if I believe that the rights of the individual supercede those of the collective, I have to be a Christian or it lacks logical consistancy???”
1. Supersede, not supercede.
2. Consistency, not consistancy.
3. You only get one question mark.
4. Try very hard to grasp the subtleties. If you believe anything at all, you have to believe it in the context of a higher authority or it’s nothing but your opinion, which is no better than anyone else’s opinion.
“So I have to believe your way or I don’t have a logical base for my beliefs???? Priceless, “our way or the highway”.”
1. You owe the universe five question marks.
2. Try—really try—to understand this. What I said was that *conservatism* is not logically consistent outside the the framework of Christianity.
You can say with logical consistency that, since there is no God, all things are permitted, and you are therefore free to rape, murder, and steal to your heart’s content. That is wrong, but it is neither conservative nor logically inconsistent.
“That is pathetic, this is why your “Christians” are seen as a joke, and give a bad name to the rest of us christians.”
Christian with a lower-case “C?” I very much doubt that your understanding of Christian theology is adequate.
“My only issue is #4 - the unintended consequence of executing criminals is that they will be willing to kill more to cover up their crimes.”
If was only a few weeks after the Supremes shot down the death penalty that a couple of melanin-enriched armed robbers killed everyone in a Seven-Eleven.
Their reasoning? The penalty for killing all those people wasn’t any worse than for armed robbery, so it was “smart” to eliminate all the witnesses.
The penalty for murder should be much worse than for armed robbery. It should be death, swift and sure.
I wouldn’t attempt to tell another Christian what they must believe. That’s God’s job, and He makes it very clear in His Word what is right or wrong. If you understand the nature of God, you know that He is holy and righteous. He hates sin but loves us. This love for us and hatred of sin is what compelled Him to send His Son to be mocked, beaten, tortured, and then subjected to a horrific death on a Roman cross. The Bible is the standard for ALL Christians. Homosexuality, abortion , and drug use are sin, but He readily forgives all those who repent, acknowledge Him as Lord and Savior,trusting in Him, and not their own wisdom or good deeds. If your values are not aligned with His Word, you need to examine your self.
Romans 9 & 10 says “If you confess with your mouth that Jesus is Lord, and believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead, you will be saved.” This tell me that being a Christian is not a matter of membership in a denomination or church attendance; it is a matter of trusting Christ for salvation. My only indicator is a person’s fruit, the result of salvation. I don’t believe that Mormons necessarily espouse biblical doctrine, but I cannot judge where a person’s heart is with God. Mitt may have experienced the new birth. I don’t know for sure.
Romans 9 & 10 says “If you confess with your mouth that Jesus is Lord, and believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead, you will be saved.” This tell me that being a Christian is not a matter of membership in a denomination or church attendance; it is a matter of trusting Christ for salvation. My only indicator is a person’s fruit, the result of salvation. I don’t believe that Mormons necessarily espouse biblical doctrine, but I cannot judge where a person’s heart is with God. Mitt may have experienced the new birth. I don’t know for sure.
Actually, Jesus said it. In John 14, Thomas asks Jesus, “We don’t know where you are going, so how can we know the way?” Jesus replied, “I am the Way, THE TRUTH, and the life. No one comes to the Father except by me.” In that statement, if you read the entire chapter, Jesus proclaims that there is no other way to Heaven—not Allah, not Buddha, not the Constitution, not our own good deeds. If anyone believes that there is another way to Heaven besides Jesus, that person is not a Christian. I didn’t say it, no one on this thread did either. Jesus said it. He is #1 in my life, and I believe Him
““You are free to pretend that my say-so is the only proof, if you like”
It’s religion brother,, it’s based on FAITH, there is NO PROOF!!!! If there were proof, there would be no need for faith. Good Lord.
For arguments sake I will defer to your Christian Theological expertise. You win the theology discussion. Now try very hard to grasp this Christianity is NOT THE OFFICIAL RELIGION OF THE USA!!!!!! You can site all the Bible Verses and writings of founders you like. I have the law on my side; you do not get to shove your Christian beliefs down the throats of nonbelievers. The individual’s rights take precedent over those of the church or the state in America, and that is the way it should be, If you or I want to serve the lord.....we have to do it on our own time. I do not have to serve anyone or any deity unless I choose to do so, and that my friend is why America is so unique in the history of the world.
Could not agree more with your words freestate, but here is what I am saying. The Bible is not the standard for all AMERICANS. The Bible holds no authority over any American, unless that American chooses to live by its values.
No argument. I want murderers, rapists, molesters, and repeat violent offenders all dead.
In addition, I’d add anyone who kills someone in auto accident with aggravated circumstances (i.e. drunks, druggies, texters, illegal aliens, hit-and-run...).
I just want to do my best to protect the innocent, too.
“It’s religion brother,, it’s based on FAITH, there is NO PROOF!!!! If there were proof, there would be no need for faith.”
Sorry, but you are mistaken about that.
“Christianity is NOT THE OFFICIAL RELIGION OF THE USA!!!!!!”
1. You only get one exclamation point. You owe the universe five exclamation points.
2. Of course Christianity is not the official religion. Who said it was?
“You can site all the Bible Verses and writings of founders you like. I have the law on my side; you do not get to shove your Christian beliefs down the throats of nonbelievers. The individual’s rights take precedent over those of the church or the state in America, and that is the way it should be,”
1. Cite, not site.
2. Precedence, not presedent.
3. Shoving Christian beliefs down the throats of nonbelievers. Hmm. That’s an odd thing for a Christian to say, as Christians know we don’t do that.
But what sort of Christian beliefs would those be, I wonder? Would one perhaps be the Christian belief in monogamy that led us to react to the invention of Mormonism with laws against bigamy? How about the Christian condemnation of theft, rape, and murder?
Oh, I’ll bet I know. You probably don’t object to the Christian beliefs named above, but if we got into the Christian condemnation of fornication, men lying with men, adultery, intoxication, or divorce, the sparks would fly.
If Christians say, “Rape is bad, mm kay?” we get no static. But if we say, “The seduction of a 16-year-old virgin by her 17-year-old boyfriend is a serious transgression,” why then, we are trying to shove Christian beliefs down people’s throats.
Well, here in America we are free to lobby for the laws we think best, and if we Christians want to lobby for laws against fornication, divorce, or adultery, that is no more wrongful than any citizen lobbying for any other law.
If you want to talk about shoving beliefs down people’s throats, how about the sodomites? When they started, they said they just wanted to be left alone “behind closed doors.” Now we are forced at gunpoint to put up with them parading the most disgusting symptoms of their mental disorder right down the main streets of cities across the nation. Worst of all, they lobby for access to children.
But I suppose the assertion that “we should protect children from people with mental disorders that compel them to engage in perversions that are extremely harmful to children” is another example of Christians forcing their beliefs down people’s throats.
“If you or I want to serve the lord.....we have to do it on our own time.”
Not at all. The Founders assumed that every public servant would serve God in the execution of his duties, and that this would be completely congruent with the welfare of the country.
“I do not have to serve anyone or any deity unless I choose to do so, and that my friend is why America is so unique in the history of the world.”
Wrongalulu, Cholly. America is unique because it is the only country in the history of the world founded upon the principle that people have rights that precede government and law, and that government has no standing to interfere with the exercise of those rights because they are conferred by God.
No God, no rights.
America is not special because we take no action if someone uses his free will to turn away from God. God himself respects our freedom to do evil.
We are also free to lobby for laws that conform more closely to what God has told us about right and wrong.
“I just want to do my best to protect the innocent, too.”
Absolutely.
“Americans that love gay marriage are just as American as you and I.”
Ummm...no, they’re not. Loving evil makes a person less American. Among America’s central principles are maximizing human happiness (in the late 18th century meaning of that word) and minimizing evil, such as cruel and unusual punishment, improper search and seizure, etc.
Espousing a patently evil proposition makes a person less American.
“Sorry, but you are mistaken about that”
Please provide the proof for which I asked. I will be waiting.......
also:
“the exercise of those rights because they are conferred by God.”
“No God, no rights.”
I was endowed by my Creator with certain unalienable rights. Thus
“No Creator, no rights.”
Why so vague, why not God, Yahweh, or Jesus, or the Trinity or Allah?
The bottom line and my whole point is that the founders had ample opportunity to make Christianity, the Christian God, Jesus Christ, etc…. the preferred religion in the US, and they did not and this is because they were very wise, and they knew that religion and government do not mix. It is bad for both; you get some crazy theocracy like the Islamic world has for a government and an ersatz brand of Christianity like the Church of England. They are better off separated, now where is that line of separation, is a whole other topic, but I am sure we would disagree on that as well. Ain't America Great!!!!!!!
(Also as an American I reserve the right to use as many punctuation marks as I deem fit.)
You claim the title of ‘christian’ and put Jesus in quotes as though his existance is in question.
Review my post, I did not say or imply that Americans must believe in Jesus to be American. And that is a fact.
I would take great exception to your assertion that Christian believers did not ‘carry’ the day. I would opine that there were many good Christian people fighting for Liberty, and also praying that God would help them ‘carry the day’ for this new nation fighting to be birthed.
As a christian, you should at least be acquainted with the idea of prayer and its efficacy.
Thou shalt have no other gods before me. As a christian you should know that Commandment. That list of other gods includes your own nation.
As a Naval vet, I would have fought and died for this country. As a Christian (witha capital C), I’ll not put this country above Jesus. One day I will leave this country when I die. It was only with His Grace that this country was founded to begin with. And THAT is a fact.
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