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Saving rare woodpecker may slow Lake Tahoe logging
SFGate.com ^ | 6/1/12 | Associated Press

Posted on 06/01/2012 5:29:48 PM PDT by NormsRevenge

A conservation group says rare woodpecker chicks in burned forest stands at Lake Tahoe won't survive if the U.S. Forest Service proceeds with a contentious post-fire logging project.

Leaders of the John Muir Project in the Sierra are pressing the agency to postpone cutting around the trees until after the nesting season in August.

They are hoping for a ruling by then on their appeal to the Ninth U.S. Circuit Court aimed at blocking what's left of the salvage operation. The logging is in an area where a fire burned more than 250 homes in 2007.

Group director Chad Hanson documented the black-backed woodpecker chicks this week in a nest in a dead tree at the site and suspects there are more.

(Excerpt) Read more at sfgate.com ...


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Culture/Society; US: California; Your Opinion/Questions
KEYWORDS: laketahoe; logging; saving; woodpecker

1 posted on 06/01/2012 5:29:57 PM PDT by NormsRevenge
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To: NormsRevenge

Does the Cartwrights know about this?


2 posted on 06/01/2012 5:32:40 PM PDT by Bigtigermike
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To: NormsRevenge
Because the loggers are confused about how to cook it?

I can help with that....

johnny

3 posted on 06/01/2012 5:34:53 PM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: Bigtigermike
Does Adam know about this? or Do the Cartwrights know about this?

Singular... Plural. Verb/subject agreement... all of that crap...

And no. Run tell 'em.

/johnny

4 posted on 06/01/2012 5:38:02 PM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: NormsRevenge
The logging is in an area where a fire burned more than 250 homes in 2007.

And they object to clearing the ash when it was undoubtedly uncleared forest area that caused this mess in the first place?

For a woodpecker nest??

Give me a break!

5 posted on 06/01/2012 5:40:41 PM PDT by bill1952 (Choice is an illusion created between those with power - and those without)
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To: Bigtigermike

I just drove by this fire site an hour ago. It still looks bad. Lots of burnt out trees just roting. If there are woodpeckers in one tree, just don’t cut down that tree. Easy


6 posted on 06/01/2012 5:41:18 PM PDT by fogofbobegabay
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To: NormsRevenge

It is the woodpecker’s job to adapt to us. It is not our job to adapt to the woodpecker.


7 posted on 06/01/2012 5:41:22 PM PDT by elkfersupper ( Member of the Original Defiant Class)
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To: NormsRevenge

“Rare”...Yeah, right:

http://www.allaboutbirds.org/guide/Black-backed_Woodpecker/id

It’s range is extensive.

Okay, rare at the fringe of it’s ranges, but not rare.

The continual misinformation from environmental groups get old....real old.


8 posted on 06/01/2012 5:45:43 PM PDT by Puckster
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To: Bigtigermike

Pa sent Hoss and Little Joe to investigate. The fire was on the opposite end of the lake, 22 miles away.


9 posted on 06/01/2012 5:48:34 PM PDT by muleskinner
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To: JRandomFreeper

Adam had business in San Francisco.


10 posted on 06/01/2012 5:51:14 PM PDT by muleskinner
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To: NormsRevenge

Thanks Normsrevenge. This is another anti-development scam by the California enviros. This bird is not rare globally nor is the bird is endangered in north america (even though it probably is rare locally in california). Per the IUCN, this is a species of “Least Concern”—lowest priority for conservation. see link.

http://www.iucnredlist.org/apps/redlist/details/100600658/0

Here’s a link to where the black-backed woodpecker can be seen in N. America. Every one of those red dots indicates a sighting in the last 30 days. More than 60 sightings of this species just in the last 30 days all along the US-Canada line.

http://ebird.org/ebird/tx/map/bkbwoo?neg=true&env.minX=137.8414185890099&env.minY=16.399768221099563&env.maxX=14.44298108900989&env.maxY=70.99390947677&zh=true&gp=false&mr=1-12&bmo=1&emo=12&yr=2012-2012&byr=2012&eyr=2012

Thus, start up the chainsaws, if you ask me, since the value of the lumber exceeds the value of the tourism dollars which it probably does. Most people aren’t interested in visiting burnt forests to see a bird than can be seen many other places.


11 posted on 06/01/2012 5:51:37 PM PDT by MillardFillmore
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To: muleskinner
I always wondered about that... And didn't a muleskinner take him on a wagon?

/johnny

12 posted on 06/01/2012 5:53:50 PM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: fogofbobegabay

So your pulling out that sneaky “common sense” argument, huh? LOL


13 posted on 06/01/2012 5:56:29 PM PDT by Kickass Conservative (Confucius say, short note better than long memory....)
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To: bill1952
Between blocked fire roads, failure to clear brush and diseased trees, and illegal aliens cooking and heating fires, the US will lose a large part of it's forest land in the coming years.

The only good news is that the trees will grow back, eventually.

14 posted on 06/01/2012 6:01:42 PM PDT by Navy Patriot (Join the Democrats, it's not Fascism when WE do it and the law is what WE say it is.)
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To: NormsRevenge

The peckerwoods are using woodpeckers now to stop logging?


15 posted on 06/01/2012 6:04:05 PM PDT by MIchaelTArchangel (Da Bro' Gotsta Go!)
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To: NormsRevenge

The Spotted Owl no longer works so now it is wood peckers. As far as I know there are no endangered wood pecker species in CA, or Nevada for that matter.


16 posted on 06/01/2012 6:05:12 PM PDT by calex59
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To: NormsRevenge

17 posted on 06/01/2012 6:08:39 PM PDT by Bratch
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To: JRandomFreeper
We're in the Kalifornia desert, and a couple of months ago I noticed woodpeckers peckerizing the oranges in one of my trees; they'd put little holes in the oranges and ruin the fruit.

I nailed the redheaded male about six weeks ago with my BB gun, and finally got the hen in mid-May......hoping this was a freak "occupation", because I value my citrus more than Woody and Mrs. Woody.

18 posted on 06/01/2012 6:13:39 PM PDT by ErnBatavia (A conservative, a liberal and a moderate walked into a bar; barkeep said "Hi Mitt")
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To: ErnBatavia

PS - in our years here, this was the very first time woodpeckers had ventured into your yard from the higher elevations.....had never seen one around here before.


19 posted on 06/01/2012 6:16:36 PM PDT by ErnBatavia (A conservative, a liberal and a moderate walked into a bar; barkeep said "Hi Mitt")
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To: NormsRevenge

I want to know how the woodpecker lived through the fire.


20 posted on 06/01/2012 6:19:51 PM PDT by VeniVidiVici (Congrats to Ted Kennedy! He's been sober for two years now!!)
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To: muleskinner
Adam had business in San Francisco.

21 posted on 06/01/2012 6:27:59 PM PDT by Bratch
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To: VeniVidiVici

Very good point. The birds probably only nest in burnt forests? So, why don’t the bird people burn the trees down on their own property so the birds have a place to nest.


22 posted on 06/01/2012 6:39:31 PM PDT by huldah1776
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To: JRandomFreeper

It’s all in the marinade....


23 posted on 06/01/2012 6:49:53 PM PDT by Trteamer ( (Eat Meat, Wear Fur, Own Guns, FReep Leftists, Drive an SUV, Drill A.N.W.R., Drill the Gulf, Vote)
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To: Trteamer
It's best if you have a lawyer on retainer, and don't talk. I can offer historic recipes.... but don't get caught, don't admit to anything, and never use a roux for sauce.

/johnny

24 posted on 06/01/2012 7:00:06 PM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: huldah1776

It never applies to their property. Only public or someone elses private property.


25 posted on 06/01/2012 7:04:56 PM PDT by sasquatch
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To: NormsRevenge
Nesting season in August??

I thought North American birds nested in the spring.

26 posted on 06/01/2012 7:09:30 PM PDT by Lizavetta (You get what you tolerate)
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To: Lizavetta
In Texas, everyone gets some when they can, spring, summer, fall. Winter, even.

Die offs are equal opportunity. They hit every season. Hot summer? Die off.

Cold winter? Die off. Miss the 3 days of good weather at the end of November? Die off.

What you are used to where you are isn't what other people expect, and the inverse is true.

Learn the ground.

/johnny

27 posted on 06/01/2012 8:01:50 PM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: Lizavetta
In fact, anyone below about 41 degrees knows that.

It's different down here at 32.x degrees. Everything has a stinger in it's tail or poison in it's mouth.

And birds don't nest in 'spring'. We don't actually have one of those. They nest when they get a chance.

/johnny

28 posted on 06/01/2012 8:19:57 PM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: JRandomFreeper

I have an old Herters cook book. It has a recipe for meadowlark and robin. One funny comment in the recipe... “I much prefer robins in the spring...”
LOL!


29 posted on 06/01/2012 8:27:49 PM PDT by Trteamer ( (Eat Meat, Wear Fur, Own Guns, FReep Leftists, Drive an SUV, Drill A.N.W.R., Drill the Gulf, Vote)
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To: Bigtigermike
Yes they does.
30 posted on 06/01/2012 8:34:21 PM PDT by tumblindice (Our new, happy lives.)
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To: Trteamer
Do you know WHY they were perfered in the spring?

What exactly do robins eat, and when are they fattest?

That's exactly one remove from eating bugs yourself.

Which is why they are great for garnish, snacks and special parties with royalty.

/johnny

31 posted on 06/01/2012 8:39:40 PM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: Trteamer
Cooks back then were harsh too. ;)

And some of the stories come down. But we got recipes.

/johnny

32 posted on 06/01/2012 8:57:07 PM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: NormsRevenge

More agenda driven junk science.

Pray for America


33 posted on 06/01/2012 8:59:48 PM PDT by bray (Power to We the People)
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To: NormsRevenge

That Chad Hanson twit is a local tree hugger whiner who knows
as much about woodpeckers as Barumba knows about econom~
mics. Never met a logging sale he didn’t cry about. Hey Hanson....
Get outta my town & take Michael Moores butt ugly sister
w/you.


34 posted on 06/01/2012 9:22:22 PM PDT by Sivad (NorCal Red Turf)
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To: JRandomFreeper

This is Tahoe, northern California in the Sierras. You’d think they’d nest as soon as they could so their babies would be old enough when winter comes to survive.


35 posted on 06/01/2012 9:45:30 PM PDT by Lizavetta (You get what you tolerate)
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To: Lizavetta
We lost one set of bluebirds to my yardwork in early spring, the second set up in the crepe mertyls have done well, and are fornicating nicely.

No-one can actually catch them.

And they have babies.

It's a busy season. I'm cutting stuff down as fast as I can.

It will be a human world. The blue jays can wake up late and come scold in the afternoon, and the blue birds can gritch at the catz in the early morning....

But I'll bet I determine what happens on this property.

/johnny

36 posted on 06/01/2012 10:08:59 PM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: Lizavetta
And down here, they really do lay eggs all year long, and lots of them die.

We don't have fixed seasons like you guys do.

I've mowed grass in December.

/johnny

37 posted on 06/01/2012 10:46:14 PM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: NormsRevenge

Didn’t Tipper Gore try to save a rare “WOOD PECKER?”


38 posted on 06/02/2012 12:18:08 AM PDT by az.b1bbomberfxr
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