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Rich families could sponsor poor ones, says Pope
Yahoo News - Canada ^ | 2 June 2012

Posted on 06/03/2012 6:01:24 AM PDT by MeneMeneTekelUpharsin

Families from rich countries could sponsor families from poor ones, Pope Benedict XVI suggested Saturday at a gathering of around 350,000 people at a park just north of Milan.

The pope was speaking at the latest event in a three-day visit to Milan, part of the Church-sponsored World Meeting of Families, a relaxed and festive setting that has been a welcome distraction from recent crises at the Vatican. Speaking without notes before an enthusiastic crowd at the Bresso park, the pope proposed a new twist to the system under which cities in different countries "twin" with each other.

His suggestion that families from rich countries could act as sponsors for families from poorer ones drew enthusiastic applause from his audience. One could have "a family in France, in Germany in Italy, talking responibility for helping" another family in need, said the pope.

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I like this idea. Some families in this area have millions of dollars in their accounts. I am open to be sponsored a bit.
1 posted on 06/03/2012 6:01:30 AM PDT by MeneMeneTekelUpharsin
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To: MeneMeneTekelUpharsin

They could call it “Foreign Aid”.


2 posted on 06/03/2012 6:07:28 AM PDT by Free in Texas (Member of the Bitter Clingers Association.)
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To: Free in Texas

I believe rich families already sponsor many poor families, they call that jobs, taxes and charitable contributions.


3 posted on 06/03/2012 6:08:59 AM PDT by BillGunn (Bill Gunn for Congress district one rep. Massachusetts)
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To: MeneMeneTekelUpharsin

This seems like the Pope is suggesting yet again that private charity is better than government redistribution. I believe that he and JPII have each made more than 10 statements related to this over the decades.

I believe that government redistribution is the path to a godless society.


4 posted on 06/03/2012 6:09:44 AM PDT by impimp
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To: MeneMeneTekelUpharsin

Several Catholic organizations have been doing this for years. In concept, a good, Christian thing to do. However, it needs to be done in a frame work that allows for those recipients to pursue self-support and self-worth as the eventual goal. Charity is one thing, welfare, another. Part of the problem is that depending in what country the “poor” live, what is causing them poverty? Is it government economic policy, etc. The world will always have it’s poor (Christ said so, although he may have spoken in both economic but I think primarily in a spiritual sense). As for the “rich” parts of the world supporting the “poor” parts, the rich are tottering on economic implosion due to massive indebtedness and corruption, we may all be in the same soup before long.


5 posted on 06/03/2012 6:09:52 AM PDT by john drake (Roman military maxim; "oderint dum metuant," i.e., "let them hate, as long as they fear.")
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To: MeneMeneTekelUpharsin

I would hazard to guess that the Roman Catholic church, besides the antiquity value of its priceless relics, has assets that are far more liquid which would dwarf several countries. One wonders why the Pope calls on other less-fortunate rich people to do what it, with its value, can do on a wide scale.....


6 posted on 06/03/2012 6:10:46 AM PDT by Gaffer
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To: MeneMeneTekelUpharsin

There’s a lot to be said for personal charity as opposed to government handouts or international programs. The Christian “foster child” programs where you decide to pay a certain amount per month for a particular child’s schooling, etc. are good examples of this and actually yield results. The Archdiocese of New York started a program where they paired wealthy suburban parishes with poor inner-city parishes, and also encouraged New Yorkers to sponsor individual poor kids at Catholic schools.

There are times - a natural disaster or war or something that destroys a society on a large scale - where help does have to come from a government or large institutions, but even then, much of the work is done by individuals who feel a call to help those in need (for example, people who go to rebuild houses after a hurricane).


7 posted on 06/03/2012 6:11:04 AM PDT by livius
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To: MeneMeneTekelUpharsin

It could be a system like sponsoring a poor child now through Christian aid, but a whole family. I’d only go along if there was thorough vetting - no addicts, no abusive individuals or criminals. And if entirely voluntary, not mandated by the state like EITC today.


8 posted on 06/03/2012 6:11:26 AM PDT by tbw2
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To: MeneMeneTekelUpharsin

Charitable giving is always good as long as government is kept out of it.


9 posted on 06/03/2012 6:15:18 AM PDT by cripplecreek (What does it profit a man if he gains the whole world but loses his soul?)
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To: MeneMeneTekelUpharsin

Third world families beget more families than European families. If your family sponsors third world family, then in one generation, your children’s families will have to sponsor more than one third world family in order to keep up. Third world families beget their next generation in a shorter period than western families. If your family sponsors a third world family, your children will have to start sponsoring third world families (plural, each) before they themselves have started families, if you and they are to keep up.

I just don’t understand why people suggest solutions that simply cannot work. They want your money. They want your freedom. But I don’t know why.


10 posted on 06/03/2012 6:18:24 AM PDT by Born to Conserve
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To: BillGunn
"I believe rich families already sponsor many poor families, they call that jobs, taxes and charitable contributions."

I would agree. I was referring to what our government already spends as a nation abroad each year. Making a funny, as it were.

11 posted on 06/03/2012 6:18:24 AM PDT by Free in Texas (Member of the Bitter Clingers Association.)
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To: john drake

The organization “Food for the Poor” focus its charitable work on collecting donations for low-cost food and basic housing in places like Haiti, but also solicits donations for things like sewing machines and farm animals so that its aid recipients can begin to develop some self-reliance.

It strikes me as a good model, and one that could be expanded. And it embodies a fundamental aspect of Christian charity - that it be individual and voluntary. One place where the Catholic hierarchy went very wrong in America was buying into and supporting the liberal idea of charity - that it be collective and coercive. That’s never worked in any society (see, for example, communism) and it sure ain’t working here.


12 posted on 06/03/2012 6:34:10 AM PDT by Stosh
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To: MeneMeneTekelUpharsin

By far the very best, most important thing that can be done to help the poor needs the cooperation of both those of means and the church. It is blindingly obvious but goes dramatically against the prevalent culture.

It is to, by any means, change the culture so that sex outside of marriage is universally condemned. This is because not only does marriage have a vital *biological*, but it is essential to prosperity and success. And this can be backed up with statistics.

1) People have an age window for reproduction, from about age 15 to age 35. *Anything* that inhibits reproduction during those years will demographically harm a society.

2) However, children raised by single parents are 60% more likely to become criminals. This is because such children are raised in a “survival” mode instead of a “success” mode.

3) There are people who medically can have children, but there are also people who should not. Those who should not still crave sex, but they cannot be allowed to interfere with those who should reproduce. Thus society needs to protect breeding couples from them.

4) Even since before the start of the 20th Century, there has been a very strong cultural push to destroy marriage as an enforced social institution, to promote “free love”, abundant contraception to support this, as well as abortion. The across the board destruction resulting from this philosophy has been devastating, responsible for more catastrophe than can be totaled. And it continues today, unabated, a continual stream of propaganda directed at the young and impressionable.

So how can the wealthy and the church put the brakes on this disaster?

To start with, stop funding and supporting the philosophy of “free love”. Stop encouraging sex outside of marriage, along with the restoration of ideas like “adultery”, with profound social sanctions, which are often far more effective than legal or criminal ones.

This also means condemning those who advocate such things by recognizing who they are and what they are doing.

With the restoration of the family, and just basic fairness, prosperity returns, cruelty and murder abate, and society and the world improve markedly.


13 posted on 06/03/2012 6:35:26 AM PDT by yefragetuwrabrumuy
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To: Gaffer
Based on your post I would hazard a guess that you aren't very bright.

The largest private charity in the world, in terms of money and services given to the poor, pro bono, is the Catholic Church.

14 posted on 06/03/2012 6:37:07 AM PDT by A.A. Cunningham (Barry Soetoro is a Kenyan communist)
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To: MeneMeneTekelUpharsin

I would love it to have fewer government run social services and more voluntary social services like we used to have before FDR. Without the government safety net communities found ways to take care of their needy and they would today.


15 posted on 06/03/2012 6:37:48 AM PDT by Woodsman27
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To: Gaffer

“I would hazard to guess that the Roman Catholic church, besides the antiquity value of its priceless relics, has assets that are far more liquid which would dwarf several countries. One wonders why the Pope calls on other less-fortunate rich people to do what it, with its value, can do on a wide scale..”

Judas said something similar once, but then Jesus told him that the woman anointing him was a better use for the expensive oil than selling it and giving the money to the poor. I think the finest should go to God and His Church. Don’t you?


16 posted on 06/03/2012 6:40:10 AM PDT by impimp
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To: MeneMeneTekelUpharsin

I bet it could be done for only 60 cents a day !

lol

welcome to 1980 Mr. Pope.


17 posted on 06/03/2012 6:40:25 AM PDT by TexasFreeper2009 (Obama lied .. and the economy died.)
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To: impimp

I really don’t have any animosity towards the Catholic Church. I just thought the Pope’s plea amidst the spendor of the Vatican City seemed a bit “off” to me.


18 posted on 06/03/2012 6:45:04 AM PDT by Gaffer
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To: tbw2

I think the idea of setting up a program to do this is important, because if individuals do it, there is too much room for abuse (i.e., grifters deciding that they’ll get a free ride). The existing programs that do this work very well, and while you know about the family or the child you are helping, and can have contact with them, it all goes through a third-party system that watches for fraud or abuse.


19 posted on 06/03/2012 6:45:09 AM PDT by livius
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To: Gaffer

The Church’s assets are hardly “liquid.” The great majority of Church property consists, literally, of property: that is, land and buildings, often of little value and certainly almost all difficult to sell or make liquid. In fact, maintaining these properties for use for church services, charitable work, etc. represents a huge outflow of money and that money actually is already going to the poor and the non-poor who receive these services.


20 posted on 06/03/2012 6:49:55 AM PDT by livius
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To: livius
Liquidity is a matter of opinion....'access to or control over' is perhaps a more appropriate term. I did google and review various sources before commenting on the matter. The estimate of wealth ranges from a ridiculously low assessment of $1 billion to a high of $3,000 billion.

http://au.answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20080629072127AAMRVFf

Note the comment on the cited link to the thousands of companies, corporations, etc. under which the Catholic Church has holdings invested.

21 posted on 06/03/2012 7:03:08 AM PDT by Gaffer
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To: MeneMeneTekelUpharsin

I’m all for voluntary charity, but with their long history of violent coercion, I’m skeptical of all papal proposals. If the pope wants to really do something for the impoverished he should liquidate Roman Catholic assets and distribute the proceeds to the poor.

Catholic Inquisition and The Torture Tools
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rx8PdvOELvY&list=PLE1CB721E3CA65D76&index=94&feature=plpp_video

For those who don’t know, the inquisition was directed by a succession of 70-80 popes and historians estimate some 50,000,000 souls were tortured to death. Some of the most horrific torture devices known to history were wielded by the popes. That youtube video features a longtime Dominican priest from Ireland who eventually studied his Bible and by God’s grace was born again. He knows the Catholic church and its history inside and out.

His testimony can be found here: www.bereanbeacon.org

Lord, I pray for protestants worldwide to study their own history and become bible-believing protestants again. Give us the grace to see your truth and not be tripped-up by the subtle lies of this world. Grace us with the power to stand for Christ and His gospel in an ever-darkening world.


22 posted on 06/03/2012 7:03:29 AM PDT by .45 Long Colt
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To: MeneMeneTekelUpharsin

Considering some of the most concentrated wealth in the world resides at the Vatican, maybe the Pope could practice a little what he preaches.


23 posted on 06/03/2012 7:08:31 AM PDT by catfish1957 (My dream for hope and change is to see the punk POTUS in prison for treason)
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To: Gaffer
One wonders why the Pope calls on other less-fortunate rich people to do what it, with its value, can do on a wide scale.....

Correction: "is doing" not "can do". Try to keep up with reality. The RC church is the largest benefactor of the poor in the world. Check it out.

24 posted on 06/03/2012 7:23:33 AM PDT by Louis Foxwell (The day liberals grow up is the day tyranny ends.)
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To: .45 Long Colt

I agree, voluntary, great, coerced, bad. Here in SoCal, our friends in the Catholic Church are happy to use the power of the state to tax Americans to pay for the social services, schooling and food of their parishioners from Mexico who are illegally in the USA.

http://articles.latimes.com/2010/apr/20/local/la-me-0420-mahony-immigration-20100420

http://www.catholicnews.com/data/stories/cns/1201250.htm

I certainly read the Bible differently than Cardinal Mahoney does. If he was suggesting that Catholics pony up to pay, it would be one thing, but that’s not at all what the Cardinal is saying. He wants to force all Americans to pay for a policy that is a) not in our best interests b) contrary to the wishes of an overwhelming majority of Americans (70%+ want closed borders) and c) benefits Mexican Catholics at the expense of Americans (can you say bilingual education folks, just for one example?).


25 posted on 06/03/2012 7:34:17 AM PDT by RKV (He who has the guns makes the rules)
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To: catfish1957
I've lost count of the number of stories over the years of nuns being evicted from their convent due to lack of funds, and Catholic schools closing down for lack of funds.

A little "sponsoring" from the Vatican would have been nice.

26 posted on 06/03/2012 7:42:38 AM PDT by Lizavetta (You get what you tolerate)
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To: MeneMeneTekelUpharsin

Hey Pope baby how about sponsoring me. I think the church can afford me I dont want that much.$1000 a week will be fine thanks.


27 posted on 06/03/2012 7:44:07 AM PDT by bikerman (Obama lied,economy died.)
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To: Lizavetta

I agree. This is probably one of the longest continious operating instituions in the world. A cost center operating for 1500 years has sure to been able to amass a little bit of capital.


28 posted on 06/03/2012 7:53:51 AM PDT by catfish1957 (My dream for hope and change is to see the punk POTUS in prison for treason)
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To: impimp

Many less than “rich”, currently sponsor families around the world.
This isn’t new.


29 posted on 06/03/2012 8:08:20 AM PDT by G Larry (Criminals thrive on the indulgence of society's understanding)
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To: Gaffer

“. . . plea amidst the spendor of the Vatican City seemed a bit “off” to me”.

There’s a fresh idea. and it reeks of animosity to those who know a little from reading about the subject.

JPII gave away every personal gift he ever received and refused furnishings in his living quarters. Just a bed and a night stand. He stopped the practice of popes wearing poulent garments, realizing it would never please the whiners.

Much of the opulence of, for instance, the churches throughout Europe, were placed during their construction - hundreds of years ago - by artisans. Did the funding of that come by the greediness of the Church? It was done for the purpose of bringing people closer to God (who IS the one who provided the raw materiel, whether you believe it or not).

In Normandy, there is a church in Ste. Marie Iglese (a town named for the church of the Blessed Mother). this once vibrant place of worship is vacant of statues, a tabernacle, seating and parishoners. Is that what you are hoping for? It, like many, had lost some of its stained glass windows to WWII bombing. They had been replaced with new ones with the images of paratroopers arriving fom the sky. This work was done by some grateful French Guys back in the ‘40s.

Do you think the guys who did that work had a lot of money?

Local Catholics don’t frequent these places. If you visit the Chapel of the Miraculous medal in Paris (5 Rue Du Bac), where Ste, Vincent De Paul’s Sisters of Charity still live and work (in full habit), you find people from Third World countries praying in there. They don’t see that kind of dedication in architecture swhere they coem from. Heck, it’s hard to find here in the States. And they won’t unless they travel to Europe. Who would do that kind of ornamental work now?

Do you prefer the back of a rocket ship architecture of the 1970s prevalent now?

Catholic Churches ARE selling stuff, anyway.

In years to come, as has already begun in Europe and New York, the Church will sell these places to Muslims who won’t listen to people who say as you do that they should sell their stuff and give it away. And they won’t keep the images and they won’t sell it intact.


30 posted on 06/03/2012 8:24:23 AM PDT by stanne
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To: Gaffer

“. . . plea amidst the spendor of the Vatican City seemed a bit “off” to me”.

There’s a fresh idea. and it reeks of animosity to those who know a little from reading about the subject.

JPII gave away every personal gift he ever received and refused furnishings in his living quarters. Just a bed and a night stand. He stopped the practice of popes wearing poulent garments, realizing it would never please the whiners.

Much of the opulence of, for instance, the churches throughout Europe, were placed during their construction - hundreds of years ago - by artisans. Did the funding of that come by the greediness of the Church? It was done for the purpose of bringing people closer to God (who IS the one who provided the raw materiel, whether you believe it or not).

In Normandy, there is a church in Ste. Marie Iglese (a town named for the church of the Blessed Mother). this once vibrant place of worship is vacant of statues, a tabernacle, seating and parishoners. Is that what you are hoping for? It, like many, had lost some of its stained glass windows to WWII bombing. They had been replaced with new ones with the images of paratroopers arriving fom the sky. This work was done by some grateful French Guys back in the ‘40s.

Do you think the guys who did that work had a lot of money?

Local Catholics don’t frequent these places. If you visit the Chapel of the Miraculous medal in Paris (5 Rue Du Bac), where Ste, Vincent De Paul’s Sisters of Charity still live and work (in full habit), you find people from Third World countries praying in there. They don’t see that kind of dedication in architecture swhere they coem from. Heck, it’s hard to find here in the States. And they won’t unless they travel to Europe. Who would do that kind of ornamental work now?

Do you prefer the back of a rocket ship architecture of the 1970s prevalent now?

Catholic Churches ARE selling stuff, anyway.

In years to come, as has already begun in Europe and New York, the Church will sell these places to Muslims who won’t listen to people who say as you do that they should sell their stuff and give it away. And they won’t keep the images and they won’t sell it intact.


31 posted on 06/03/2012 8:24:23 AM PDT by stanne
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To: stanne

Can’t believe I double posted that


32 posted on 06/03/2012 8:25:46 AM PDT by stanne
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To: MeneMeneTekelUpharsin

My wife and I are comfortable, not rich. Via the local, state and federal taxes we support/sponsor many poor people in the USA and internationally.

If I had a choice in the matter, those who benefit from my largess would be like my pets, surgically and permanently neutered.


33 posted on 06/03/2012 8:34:13 AM PDT by Tahoe3002
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To: .45 Long Colt

Read just a few of the papal proposals then comment.

Duh.


34 posted on 06/03/2012 8:40:36 AM PDT by stanne
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To: impimp
This seems like the Pope is suggesting yet again that private charity is better than government redistribution. I believe that he and JPII have each made more than 10 statements related to this over the decades. I believe that government redistribution is the path to a godless society.

One would hope that's what he meant. Being human, Popes can also be fallible - not long back we had one embracing the "green" theory to "save the planet". One would think that one in such a position would not worry about such worldly things - God has said how it will end and it won't be because Man has destroyed the planet (although eventual nukes may cause some issues as we head into the final times)...

35 posted on 06/03/2012 8:44:22 AM PDT by trebb ("If a man will not work, he should not eat" From 2 Thes 3)
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To: trebb

You guys really think the popes come out wiht ideas like Obama does and it’s just some misquoted headline kind of crap.

Encyclicals are written periodically and they re well thought out by extremely well informed well educated people.


36 posted on 06/03/2012 8:48:28 AM PDT by stanne
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To: stanne
Can’t believe I double posted that

It needed to be said twice.

37 posted on 06/03/2012 9:01:08 AM PDT by Ol' Sox
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To: Ol' Sox

:)


38 posted on 06/03/2012 9:04:35 AM PDT by stanne
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To: stanne

Here’s a fresh idea. You read something slightly critical and you automatically think “Catholic Hater.”

You also assume that I’ve read little about it. As my other post indicates I took the time to at least search what the church’s extimated value was.

Regardless of your wild leap, I don’t have animosity toward the Catholic Church. I admire its resilience throughout history. I am just perplexed at the animus displayed by some of its members when a discussion of the Church’s actions is at hand.

My comment of the Pope’s comment being a bit ‘off’ was very polite given his domain. And, please don’t try and tell me the Vatican isn’t sitting on some of the mosts priceless and revered artifacts from history. While selfless and laudible, giving away one’s personal holdings in the midst of being surrounded with such and wanting for nothing is just symbolic. Regardless, whether you agree or not, the Catholic church is in control of a vast fortune, however interpreted.


39 posted on 06/03/2012 9:08:11 AM PDT by Gaffer
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To: Gaffer

Whatever.


40 posted on 06/03/2012 9:09:41 AM PDT by stanne
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To: MeneMeneTekelUpharsin
I've got an idea - why don't the rich religions sponsor the poor ones?

Why should Catholics with their centuries of choosing sound spiritual and financial paths have it all? Why not ‘share’ with the Jim Jone's kool aid drinkers? Or Scientologists? Lots of failed cults out there that could benefit from the coffers of wiser religions///

41 posted on 06/03/2012 9:10:29 AM PDT by GOPJ ( "A Dog In Every Pot" - freeper ETL)
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To: impimp

Indeed, government “charity” is the paving of the path, the actual drinking of the Kool Aid. Everyone commits or is commited to suicide in a “community organized” fashion.


42 posted on 06/03/2012 9:11:38 AM PDT by JudgemAll (Democrats Fed. job-security Whorocracy & hate:hypocrites must be gay like us or be tested/crucified)
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To: stanne

Yes. I would not have commented on this article had it not for being posted in News/Activism...it belongs in religion because there is no opportunity for objective inspection because theological objections about the meaning of this religion or that religion, the value of the good they do or do not do, etc. I normally try to stay of of those trysts in the Religion Forum because of the MormonISM haters and Catholic Haters.


43 posted on 06/03/2012 9:14:14 AM PDT by Gaffer
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To: Born to Conserve
I just do not understand why people suggest solutions that simply cannot work

I think you just simply haven't thought it through enough. If you read some of the replies that precede your comment you will find some interesting thoughts that indicate that it might very well be possible.

It seems quite clear that whatever it is we are doing now certainly isn't working.

44 posted on 06/03/2012 9:22:31 AM PDT by saradippity
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To: .45 Long Colt
Please read some books that at least strive for an objective view of history. Your remarks are so wildly exaggerated that you lose credibility with any thinking or caring persons.

Additionally,if you are what you seem to imply,that is, a Bible believing Protestant,and you want to bring more people to Christ,you might want to reexamine your method of evangelizing because you would probably repulse most of the reading public.

45 posted on 06/03/2012 9:38:56 AM PDT by saradippity
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To: Gaffer

In case you didn’t notice, I didn’t comment on the article, I ammented on your comment.

These articles, whether they are posted here or elsewhere, includidng the Vatican newspaper, are more often skewed, spun blabber that have nothing to do with what the pope actually said printed for the benefit of those who think they know more than the pop does about everything including things he’s been educated on.

Here is the Vatican account of his education:

His youthful years . . . prepared him for the harsh experience of those years during which the Nazi regime pursued a hostile attitude towards the Catholic Church. The young Joseph saw how some Nazis beat the Parish Priest before the celebration of Mass.

His family . . . always gave a clear witness of goodness and hope, rooted in a convinced attachment to the Church.

From 1946 to 1951 he studied philosophy and theology in the Higher School of Philosophy and Theology of Freising and at the University of Munich.

He received his priestly ordination on 29 June 1951.

A year later he began teaching at the Higher School of Freising.

In 1953 he obtained his doctorate in theology with a thesis entitled “People and House of God in St Augustine’s Doctrine of the Church”.

Four years later, under the direction of the renowned professor of fundamental theology Gottlieb Söhngen, he qualified for University teaching with a dissertation on: “The Theology of History in St Bonaventure”.

After lecturing on dogmatic and fundamental theology at the Higher School of Philosophy and Theology in Freising, he went on to teach at Bonn, from 1959 to1963; at Münster from 1963 to 1966 and at Tübingen from 1966 to 1969. During this last year he held the Chair of dogmatics and history of dogma at the University of Regensburg, where he was also Vice-President of the University.

From 1962 to 1965 he made a notable contribution to Vatican II as an “expert”; being present at the Council as theological advisor of Cardinal Joseph Frings, Archbishop of Cologne.

His intense scientific activity led him to important positions at the service of the German Bishops’ Conference and the International Theological Commission.

In 1972 together with Hans Urs von Balthasar, Henri de Lubac and other important theologians, he initiated the theological journal “Communio”.


46 posted on 06/03/2012 9:41:37 AM PDT by stanne
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To: MeneMeneTekelUpharsin

To hell with the poor!!!

Make your own way in thios world or quit taking up space on the planet!!!


47 posted on 06/03/2012 9:49:42 AM PDT by dalereed
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To: saradippity

No his remarks are not exaggerated. Stop making excuses and deal with facts.


48 posted on 06/03/2012 10:03:08 AM PDT by RKV (He who has the guns makes the rules)
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To: MeneMeneTekelUpharsin
How about doing something REALLY useful, like...say...getting the church's own house in order first. A large portion of your flock flaunt, break and ignore the church's doctrine, as do a good number of members of the church itself.

Clean up your own back yard before you complain about the neighbor's yard.


49 posted on 06/03/2012 10:03:21 AM PDT by ex91B10 (We've tried the Soap Box,the Ballot Box and the Jury Box; one box left.)
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To: RKV

I had no idea that were so many ill informed posters at Free Republic. It is very sad.


50 posted on 06/03/2012 10:06:25 AM PDT by saradippity
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