Posted on 06/05/2012 7:15:46 AM PDT by Islander7
I strongly suspect the bank robbery was used as an impromptu excuse to actually do an operation that has been designed and planned for a while, probably one given to them by the DOJ or Homeland Security. I wish at least one motorist had said no just to test what plans the cops had for recalcitrant citizens. Of course that driver may have been quickly dead as a motivation for all the others to co-operate. The officers who would gun the citizen(s)down need only say,”I felt threatened.”
Pardon me, I realize in feminine interpretation, what a lady says can be taken in a variety of ways, but it sure looks like my question on your statement was pretty much hitting the nail on its head. Otherwise clarify, please.
I avoid the Denver-Boulder metroplex like the plague because crap like this goes on up there all the time. On the other hand, there is a bit of schadenfreude at work here because the idiots who’s right were trampled on are the same lefties that vote the politicians in who come up with this crap.
Avoid cities whenever possible.
Not being there, I cannot really comment on this. And by you referring to cops as 'nazi thugs' I don't think you and I are going to make much headway anyhow.
The fact that you're asking this shows that: You have no concept of what the Bill of Rights means and that you were born 60 years too late and in the wrong country
Would you give up 10 minutes of freedom in order to get this guy off the street?
Nope - not 10 seconds. Have you heard of William Blackstone? "Better that ten guilty persons escape than that one innocent suffer,"
Police thuggery.
“Necessity is the plea for every infringement of human freedom. It is the argument of tyrants; it is the creed of slaves.”
William Pitt 1781
I’m sure they’d do the same thing for you if someone took your wallet.
Or, maybe not.
Search is invalid on its face. You cannot be handcuffed (detained) and then give “voluntary” permission to search. The statement is proof - they weren’t unhandcuffed UNTIL they gave permission to search. Coercive, null and void (and a tort under 1983).
Sue. Not for yourselves, but for anyone who may be subject to tactics like this in the future.
And I was in the police business for a long time.
We don't know what their 'reliable' info was, however. If it was, in fact, a GPS device in the stolen money, then searching the immediate area would probably be a good search. We need all the info, but we don't have it. I, unlike you, do not jump to radical conclusions to fit my own views.
And the ‘reliable tip’ did not include skin color?
How PC.
Laws are made by lawyers, for lawyers, to enrich lawyers.
It would have been odd had they continued the search after they apprehended the suspect.
On a different note, figures I have to come to Free Republic to find out what's going on in my own city.
“So if you demanded than they provide a search warrant I would have to wonder what “evidence” they would have “found”. Also would they have arrested you on the charge of “interfereing with a police investigation”...”
Pardon me, I realize in feminine interpretation, what a lady says can be taken in a variety of ways, but it sure looks like my question on your statement was pretty much hitting the nail on its head. Otherwise clarify, please.
What I was asking is if by asking for search warrent if it would increase one’s chances of having a corrupt cop plant something in your car during said search. Also if you demand a search warrant if they would arrest you for interefering in an investigation.
I personally beleive you should always demand a search warrant when they ask to search your car and the best thing to do is keep your lip zipped and never volunteer anything that could give them “probable cause” to violate your constitiontional rights as a law abiding citizen.
Maybe we are miscommunicating something...
sorry ....theyre searching nothing without a warrant, theyre cuffing no one in my family with out probable cause
whats hard to grasp?
why are you so willing to give up your rights?
you sound like no freeper I know
so why are you here?
I would bet sure as hell it was one of the perps who called the police, assuming there was actually a tip. More likely this was an operation they have been trained for and got a spur-of-the-moment excuse to try it out.
How much "freedom" are you willing to give up? 10%, 50%, 80%?
There’s no time limit mentioned in the 4th Amendment. You want to put a time limit, amend the Constitution.
Robbery, in and of itself, is a violent act. You don’t even need to rob someone with a weapon. The force is implied.
In this case, police may handcuff the people they are stopping as long as the police are reasonably in fear of their own safety. Given the nature of the crime, that would stand up in court. You only need reasonable suspicion to stop someone, probable cause to arrest. And in certain circumstances you do not need permission or a warrant in order to search the immediate, grab-able area for someone who has been stopped.
This isn't me talking, this is precedent. Whether I (or you) agree with it or not doesn't matter in the least.
I really appreciate unintentional irony.
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