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The Whupping in Wisconsin: Seven Key Conclusions
RedState ^ | June 6, 2012 | Erick Erickson

Posted on 06/06/2012 4:34:25 AM PDT by iowamark

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1 posted on 06/06/2012 4:34:32 AM PDT by iowamark
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"The sixth thing we can conclude from Wisconsin is that Barack Obama is still the favorite there..."

Why should we conclude this? Based on the results of exit polls that he just gone done saying were completely unreliable in recall elections?

2 posted on 06/06/2012 4:40:50 AM PDT by circlecity
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To: iowamark

Any mention of the amount of money Unions and Libs spent creating the recall in the first place?

Any mention of the massive vote fraud, perpetrated by the left?


3 posted on 06/06/2012 4:41:15 AM PDT by G Larry (Criminals thrive on the indulgence of society's understanding)
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To: circlecity
IMHO, there is no evidence that Obama is the favorite. However...I DO want both political parties to behave as if that is true. I want the Dems complacent and the Republicans energized.
4 posted on 06/06/2012 4:52:53 AM PDT by jdsteel (Give me freedom, not more government.)
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To: iowamark

Anybody out there REALLY think that our dear ‘ol GOP RINOS will actually:
Sprout a spine?
Grow a pair???

Yeah, me neither.


5 posted on 06/06/2012 4:55:09 AM PDT by Flintlock (THE TRUTH: It's the new hate speech..)
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Another thing we know is that liberals never, ever give up. They’ll point fingers of blame, lick their wounds, then go to work figuring out how they can fool people better.

This was a decisive victory, but the battle will wage on.


6 posted on 06/06/2012 5:03:21 AM PDT by randita
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To: iowamark
Surreal. Now I know what MSNBC means by lean forward. I leaned forward as I was viewing, watching for signs of possible coronaries live on TV.

Erik killed it with this comment. :)

7 posted on 06/06/2012 5:09:28 AM PDT by Lazamataz (People who resort to Godwin's Law are just like Hitler.)
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To: iowamark
I think that, historically, the more divisive the election, the more skewed the exit polls are.

The same think will happen in November in Philadelphia. The exit polls will favor Obama, but the actual vote numbers will be much closer.

In heated elections (especially in Wisconsin where people were reminded that their neighbors are watching) people will lie about their vote in public to avoid retribution.

8 posted on 06/06/2012 5:10:27 AM PDT by LoveUSA (God employs Man's strength; Satan exploits Man's weakness.)
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To: randita

This one battle that will never end. we should gear up to fight this battle from now on. There will be good times and bad but our goal should be to move the ball to the right at every opportunity. politicians will go where the votes are. Our job should be to change the discussion from cutting government increases to actually cutting the spending levels. Wisconsin is a good start but we have to start applying the pressure to the GOP now.


9 posted on 06/06/2012 5:11:16 AM PDT by ontap
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To: LoveUSA

add to my above post...

or - like what was said on FOX - people will walk away without responding to the pollster.


10 posted on 06/06/2012 5:11:50 AM PDT by LoveUSA (God employs Man's strength; Satan exploits Man's weakness.)
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To: ontap
move the ball is a good analogy.

The best defense is a good offense.

11 posted on 06/06/2012 5:13:58 AM PDT by LoveUSA (God employs Man's strength; Satan exploits Man's weakness.)
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To: iowamark
The flawed exit polls were flawed because people who vote in recall elections vote in different ways from general elections.

I watched a little CNN last night, and I thought John King actually made some good points about exit polling. Participants in exit polls are optional. Even applying margins for error, your sampling may be disproportionally affected.

He also mentioned (and I happen to agree), there is a "moral superiority" factor for some voters; i.e., Dems who believe they're smarter than the knuckle-dragging Republicans. These people are more apt to gravitate to someone with a clipboard, asking for their opinions.

Furthermore, Republicans--who are generally more distrustful about media and pollster types--may tend to avoid participating in such polls.

What I find interesting, is that on one hand, the media is saying that perhaps we shouldn't trust exit polls or read too much into them (after Walker's resounding win). On the other hand, those same media types are saying that the voters they measured in their exit polls are still inclined to support Obama in November, so Wisconsin shouldn't be in play. Hmmm.

12 posted on 06/06/2012 5:24:52 AM PDT by Lou L (The Senate without a filibuster is just a 100-member version of the House.)
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“Walker winning big with a big union turnout means even private sector union members hate public sector unions.”

It might even mean that the public sector union members hate their own union. If Wisconsin is closed shop/membership required, I guarantee there are a large number of people who are members only because the job required it.


13 posted on 06/06/2012 5:27:03 AM PDT by Gil4 (Sometimes it's not low self-esteem - it's just accurate self-assessment.)
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To: iowamark

Exactly right!

The largess of the public sector unions is a WINNING issue for Republicans... and, they’d better realize it.

Private sector workers of ALL kinds have been taking major cuts for the past 4 years, while Democrats have been protecting their government union pals. That’s a crime.. and, it needs to be yelled from every mountaintop.


14 posted on 06/06/2012 5:33:37 AM PDT by SomeCallMeTim ( The best minds are not in government. If any were, business would hire them)
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Eighth: The more you dismantle the Democrat infrastructure (unions), the more people will see a way to prosperity, and the more evidence that Obama will go down big in November. The Walker plan saved taxpayers money, lowered taxes, balanced the budget, and dramatically shrunk the union membership rolls. All wins. The only loss was the student vote for Barrett which says the education system is out of touch with the rest of society.


15 posted on 06/06/2012 5:41:27 AM PDT by OrioleFan (Republicans believe every day is July 4th, Democrats believe every day is April 15th.)
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It’s amazing to listen to these so called experts. Even ones supposedly on our side.

Election after election since 2009 (not poll or exit polls), real elections where people vote... Every election where Obama’s chosen guy or policy has been on the ballot, he gets smoked. (Christie, McDonnell, Scott Brown, 2010 mid term landslide, Anthony Weiner seat, Gay Marriage NC, Scott Walker recall, etc)

Yet even to this day, they all say Obama is the favorite. It’s quite entertaining.


16 posted on 06/06/2012 5:51:05 AM PDT by nhwingut (Sarah Palin 12... No One Else (Maybe Tim Thomas))
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Is that “Ed Shultz medical episode” clip on you tube or anywhere?


17 posted on 06/06/2012 5:56:40 AM PDT by albie
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and there is still ONE MORE great vote to be counted before the election.... the Supreme Court vote on Obamacare :)

which will be the cherry on the top of Obama’s sunday of fail :)


18 posted on 06/06/2012 6:03:59 AM PDT by TexasFreeper2009 (Obama lied .. and the economy died.)
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To: iowamark

I’ve been thinking one of the things changing in the internet age, is that people are getting much more politically savvy.

Oh, there are still plenty of people who trust network news - enough to put in someone like O in the first place - but people are getting smarter and more partisan as they learn how much the MSM lies through the internet. And one of the things they are doing is lying to pollsters, just to mess them up. It’s pure contrariness.

People don’t like being predicted and “figured out” so they can be either targeted or taken for granted by political types.


19 posted on 06/06/2012 6:08:24 AM PDT by I still care (I miss my friends, bagels, and the NYC skyline - but not the taxes. I love the South.)
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To: iowamark

I concluded that even liberals hate unions.


20 posted on 06/06/2012 6:13:22 AM PDT by Raycpa
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