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JIM GRANT: Today's Market Rally Really Was About The Scott Walker Victory In Wisconsin Last Night
Business Insider ^ | 06/06/2012 | Mamta Badkar and Joe Weisenthal

Posted on 06/06/2012 2:40:53 PM PDT by SeekAndFind

Earlier we joked that some people thought today's rally was the result of the election outcome in Wisconsin last night.

Well, serious people think so too.

James Grant, of Grant's Interest Rate Observer, was just on CNBC, and this is what he told Maria Bartiromo:

"...Today i think part of the source of the levitation was the Scott Walker triumph in Wisconsin."

He explained:

"People maybe are discounting the prospects of a return to something like freer if not free markets come the Fall if Romney or GOP decisively wins."

Grant also said he expects a third round of quantitative easing and reiterated that the long-term implications of QE3 are bad. He said the "world has 2008 on it's brain" and the awful memories of 2007 -2009 have the global economy preparing for a replay:

(Excerpt) Read more at businessinsider.com ...


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Culture/Society; News/Current Events; US: Wisconsin
KEYWORDS: jimgrant; scottwalker; stockmarket; stockmarketbyparty; wisconsin
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To: SeekAndFind
"People maybe are discounting the prospects of a return to something like freer if not free markets come the Fall if Romney or GOP decisively wins."

As a complete amateur when it come to the stock market, would a learned FReeper please school me on what the term 'discounting' means here? I do not understand how 'discounting' means the market rose significantly.

21 posted on 06/06/2012 4:33:11 PM PDT by 2nd Bn, 11th Mar (The "p" in Democrat stands for patriotism.)
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To: ExTexasRedhead

Imagine if the gop grew a set after being voted in and IMMEDIATELY announced the dismantling of Department of Education, IRS,Homeland insecurity, ATF, and EPA... woah nellie...


22 posted on 06/06/2012 4:55:02 PM PDT by contrarian (The unemployment rate would go up temporarily but in a GOOD WAY)
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To: 2nd Bn, 11th Mar

RE: discounting.

Here is how I understand it...

This is the premise that the stock market essentially discounts, or takes into consideration, all available information and present and potential future events.

When unexpected developments occur, the market discounts this new information very rapidly.

The fact that the stock market is essentially a discounting mechanism explains the wild swings in stock indexes following unexpected events such as a natural disaster or a terrorist attack, or an earnings miss in the case of an individual stock or maybe in the case of Scott Walker’s victory, a harbringer for this November’s elections.

Of course, efficiency of the stock market as a discounting mechanism has been vigorously debated over the years. I am not going to get into that.


23 posted on 06/06/2012 5:00:30 PM PDT by SeekAndFind (bOTRT)
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To: justiceseeker93

Well the Financial Times say stocks rose on hopes of a stimulus, but I’m like you and believe Walker’s win was a big influence.


24 posted on 06/06/2012 5:34:13 PM PDT by potlatch (~~And the truth IS what counts, RIGHT ? ~~)
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To: ExTexasRedhead

No doubt at all!!


25 posted on 06/06/2012 5:35:16 PM PDT by potlatch (~~And the truth IS what counts, RIGHT ? ~~)
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To: 2nd Bn, 11th Mar

SeekAndFind gave a good response, to which I would add: In order to benefit from market moves, one has to be IN the market BEFORE the move happens. Yes, it is true, that today, had you bought the open of the market and rode the all-day rally, you would have been golden. But that is generally not the case, getting in late is normally called “chasing” a move. That bears the risk of getting involved in the profit-taking that may occur while the early-inners take positions off as the market rises. Yet chasing, IMO, is probably the best-odds non-fundamental-based approach. (Of course, holding while the market is doing nothing, or still declining, before the move, which you have to do to be in the move) bears its own risks.

Subpoint being, there is always a tendency of “latecomers” to chase a move. There is always a tendency for shorts to scatter (which means they have to BUY, increasing the intensity of surprise up-move) should an up-move begin and gain force.

Real point being, the best position is to front run a move. If you can. To be in before it occurs. Whether that move is a longer-term, sustainable move, or, a mostly a one-day orgy plus probably a little follow through of buying after a period of revulsion as was today.

One-word answer, “discounting” means “anticipating”. There is also a proper technical explanation, primarily applied to “discounting a note” which means, if you are the owner/recipient of say a mortgage and want to sell it and get cash today instead of your stream of payments over time, a buyer of your note generally will not give you full value. The obligee/payor may decide to pay the note off early, leaving said buyer of your note without the interest he may anticipate. The buyer may default, leaving him with a loss and the hassle of a collection effort.

Facebook was another example. [The price of Facebook stock on its IPO] discounted the glorious future of having every person on earth using their service. Those who bought the stock at the open that day paid for all the possible growth the company was anticipating, of course, painting a rosy picture of the future.


26 posted on 06/06/2012 5:35:38 PM PDT by Attention Surplus Disorder (A conservative, a liberal and a moderate walk into a bar. Bartender says "what'll it be, Mitt?")
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To: justiceseeker93
Today's Market Rally Really Was About The Scott Walker Victory In Wisconsin Last Night

Same thought that I had earlier today.
27 posted on 06/06/2012 5:57:01 PM PDT by Brown Deer (Pray for 0bama. Psalm 109:8)
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To: SeekAndFind

Oil went up. Another day of government dumping of pension money polluting the so called “market.”


28 posted on 06/06/2012 6:05:54 PM PDT by Varsity Flight (Phony-Care is the Government Work-Camp: Arbeitsziehungslager)
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To: SeekAndFind; mickie
The MSM, including Fox, is attributing the Dow up-surge to the rumored possibility that Greece will be bailed out by the Euro operators.

BS. The market spiked due to the Walker/GOP victory. If it was NOT the Walker/GOP victory, the Dow index wouldn't have budged an inch....or, most likely, it would have gone down quite a bit.

The Media spins anything 180 degrees if it's favorable to the Republicans or Conservatives.

Leni

29 posted on 06/06/2012 6:55:21 PM PDT by MinuteGal
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To: ExTexasRedhead

I don’t doubt it one bit. Just purging the Obamabastard from the oval office serve as a purgative for the American Body Politic and restore the intestinal vigor of a moribund economy.


30 posted on 06/06/2012 7:03:55 PM PDT by ZULU (See: http://www.youtube.com/watch_popup?v=D9vQt6IXXaM&hd)
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To: justiceseeker93

I’m with you - Walker;s victory was a big factor in markets going up.


31 posted on 06/06/2012 8:20:10 PM PDT by GOPJ (Take your little hammer, little sickle and your scary red signs with a fist on it, and go home...)
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To: SeekAndFind

Scott Walker victory news is fading faster in MSM than snow flakes in July.


32 posted on 06/06/2012 9:32:28 PM PDT by entropy12 (Hate is the most insidious emotion, it will rot your gut more than anything else.)
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To: SeekAndFind
Given over three years of Obama's tax threats, medical insurance extortion, disregard for basic values and common sense, it's not hard to believe that the Walker win provided enough hope for change to boost markets at least somewhat.

Now pins and needles while awaiting SCOTUS' decision on Obamacare...wait and see what the markets do after that decision.

33 posted on 06/06/2012 9:39:34 PM PDT by norton
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To: justiceseeker93

” Have any of the business stories in the MSM tied the rally to Walker’s victory? I haven’t seen any yet.”

Neither have I, and I was looking.


34 posted on 06/07/2012 9:32:07 AM PDT by stephenjohnbanker (God, family, country, mom, apple pie, the girl next door and a Ford F250 to pull my boat.)
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