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Non-citizens Voting in Florida? (Purging the rolls hasn’t been easy.)
National Review Online ^ | June 7, 2012 | Katrina Trinko

Posted on 06/07/2012 3:48:00 PM PDT by neverdem

In Florida, state officials are encountering stiff resistance to their efforts to take non-citizens off the voter rolls.

The Sunshine State’s recent history provides a compelling case for why voter rolls must be accurate: In the 2000 presidential election, George W. Bush won the state by a mere 537 votes. So last year, when Florida officials realized there was a way to check voter rolls to make sure every voter was a citizen, they jumped at the opportunity.

Because the Florida Department of Highway Safety and Motor Vehicles tracks the legal status of those who obtain driver’s licenses — i.e., whether the license holder is a citizen or legally present through a visa or some other method — officials were able to compare this list with the list of registered voters. It wasn’t a foolproof method: Someone could have been a legal alien at the time he obtained a driver’s license and yet could have become a citizen by the time he registered to vote years later. Still, the comparison between the voter-registration records and the driver’s-license records seemed like a reasonable starting point. And it revealed that up to 180,000 Florida voters were potentially not citizens.

But the state wanted a more accurate way of determining voters’ citizenship status. So last year, Florida asked the Department of Homeland Security for access to the department’s citizenship records, which have more current information. Despite repeated requests, the department has yet to give the state access, prompting Florida secretary of state Ken Detzner to write a letter to Secretary Janet Napolitano late last month, asking that DHS cooperate with Florida. 

“Federal law expressly requires your agency to respond to state inquiries seeking to verify or ascertain the citizenship or immigration status of any individual within its jurisdiction for any purpose authorized by law,” Detzner wrote. “Additionally, DHS has recently stated that the SAVE database could be used for voter-registration purposes. . . . Yet after nine months of requests, we have not been granted access to that information or any other available DHS database.”

Meanwhile, Florida had sent letters to 2,600 voters notifying them that the state had reason to believe they were not citizens. If the voters were citizens, they could contact their local elections supervisor and provide proof of their citizenship. If they were not, or did not respond to the letter, it was up to the local elections supervisor to decide whether the person should be left on the voter rolls for now or not.

Detzner spokesman Chris Cate says there have been some instances of  “people who are actually non-citizens contacting the supervisor of elections and saying, ‘Remove me from the rolls.’” In Miami-Dade County, for instance, the supervisor of elections “informed us of 13 people last week who had contacted her office and requested to be removed from the voter rolls.” “The last thing we want to do is remove an eligible voter from the voter rolls,” Cate stresses. “We’re not aware of anyone who’s an eligible voter that has been removed as a result of this process.”

But Detzner’s efforts have stirred controversy nonetheless. Florida Democrats highlighted the case of 91-year-old World War II veteran Bill Internicola, who received a letter asking him to verify his citizenship if he wished to remain a Florida voter. Several Florida Democrats serving in Congress, including current Democratic National Committee chair Debbie Wasserman Schultz, signed a letter to Governor Rick Scott, requesting that the process be ended. “Providing a list of names of questionable validity — created with absolutely no oversight — to county supervisors and asking that they purge their rolls will create chaotic results and further undermine Floridians’ confidence in the integrity of our elections,” wrote the Democrats. Further fuel was added to the controversy when the Miami Herald released an analysis “of the list [of 2,600 voters that] found it was dominated by Democrats, independents and Hispanics.”

Last week, the Department of Justice sent a letter to Detzner, suggesting that Florida was acting illegally. T. Christian Herren, chief of the voting section of the department’s civil rights division, wrote that Florida needed to obtain approval before taking any such action in five counties that are “subject to the requirements of Section 5 of the Voting Rights Act.”

“Our records do not reflect that these changes affecting voting have been submitted to the United States District Court for the District of Columbia for judicial review or to the Attorney General for administrative review as required by Section 5 of the Voting Rights Act,” Herren wrote.

Additionally, Herren argued that Florida had violated the National Voter Registration Act of 1993, which stipulates that “a state shall complete, not later than 90 days prior to the date of a primary or general election for federal office, any program the purpose of which is to systematically remove the names of ineligible voters from the official lists of eligible voters.” Florida’s primary is scheduled for August 14.

Florida has not yet replied to the letter, though the Department of Justice had requested a response by Wednesday. “We’re evaluating our options right now with the goal of having accurate voter rolls and upholding the integrity of Florida’s elections,” Cate says.

“We have a legal duty under both state and federal law to ensure the voter rolls are current and accurate,” he points out. “Removing ineligible voters from the voter rolls isn’t something we need to be told, isn’t something we just begin to do because it’s an election year. This is something that we do every year, year-round.”

Katrina Trinko is an NRO reporter.



TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Front Page News; Politics/Elections; US: District of Columbia; US: Florida
KEYWORDS: blackkk; florida; georgezimmerman; trayvonmartin; voterfraud
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1 posted on 06/07/2012 3:48:11 PM PDT by neverdem
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To: neverdem
FL, tell DOJ to stick their complaint where the sun don't shine.
2 posted on 06/07/2012 3:52:43 PM PDT by SandRat (Duty - Honor - Country! What else needs said?)
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To: Joe Brower; Travis McGee; OXENinFLA

Ping


3 posted on 06/07/2012 3:57:26 PM PDT by neverdem (Xin loi minh oi)
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To: neverdem
The Sunshine State’s recent history provides a compelling case for why voter rolls must be accurate: In the 2000 presidential election, George W. Bush won the state by a mere 537 votes. So last year, when Florida officials realized there was a way to check voter rolls to make sure every voter was a citizen, they jumped at the opportunity.

And therein lies the (unstated) reason why the Do(un)J is attempting to stop the purge. Gotta have a margin of error for those dead and illegal votes!

4 posted on 06/07/2012 4:02:06 PM PDT by jeffc (Prayer. It's freedom of speech.)
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To: jeffc

If there is anyway to check the voters of 2000 and compare them today, I am willing to bet the margin President George W. Bush won by was much, much greater.

Funny how most fraudulent votes and ballots found in a trunk or a broom closet are always for dems.

So, too bad Michelle. The election might not be decided by just ‘a few thousand votes’ since most of your voter base is being purged.


5 posted on 06/07/2012 4:30:22 PM PDT by Cowgirl of Justice
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It wouldn’t have made any difference in 2008:
Obama - 4,282,074
Palin - 4,045,624
= 236,450

But this is just those people who voted then said they were not US Citizens on the odd ball chance they got called to Jury Duty. I’d guess only 1/20 of the voters get called in some portion of illegals fraudulently state they are citizens for fear of being arrested on the spot.

The real number of illegals who voted in Florida in 2008 could be over 1 million!

No just imagine that number multiplied by 50 States. From these numbers it appears that voting among illegal aliens might be higher than anyone on the Right has dared to imagine!


6 posted on 06/07/2012 4:35:55 PM PDT by RC51
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To: neverdem

I wonder:

No one has ever asked Holder this question: “What if we in (Florida, other state) believed we were doing the right thing, and in looking at the voter rolls we found 2000 illegal aliens, dead people, double registrants, etc. Does the DOJ want us to reinstate them?”

I wonder what he’d say.


7 posted on 06/07/2012 4:36:02 PM PDT by Pearls Before Swine
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To: Pearls Before Swine

He would reply “if they are Democrats yes”


8 posted on 06/07/2012 6:47:36 PM PDT by W. W. SMITH (Maybe the horse will learn to sing)
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To: neverdem
This is an important development … in 2000 the Florida margin in Bush v. ALGORE was only 537 votes

Send Gov Scott an email showing your support

“If the effect of the NVRA (Motor Voter) is to force a state to allow never-eligible non-citizens the opportunity to vote,” he wrote, “then the statute might violate the Equal Protection Clause of the Constitution, which guarantees that the right to vote cannot be denied by a dilution of the weight of a citizen’s vote.”

As for the Voting Rights Act claim, Detzner wrote, Florida already received federal permission to remove noncitizens, which is clearly spelled out in Florida law.

What’s more, the Voting Rights Act applies to only five Florida counties — Monroe, Hillsborough, Collier, Hardee and Hendry — and not the other 62 in Florida, including Miami-Dade, where about 1,600 of the 2,700 potential noncitizens were initially identified by the state in a database created by the Department of Highway Safety and Motor Vehicles.

About 500 people in Miami-Dade have been found to be lawful citizens and voters, and 13 noncitizens have been found. Two of them might have voted and could face prosecution. The county has been unable to verify the citizenship of more than 1,100 others.

Assuming the purge halts, those people could vote this year — even if some are noncitizens.

"Not a single eligible voter as far, as I know, has been removed from the voter rolls," Scott said Wednesday on WNDB radio in Daytona Beach, according to a News Service of Florida transcript. "Not one. And we’re working to keep it that way."

"Their vote should not be diluted by people who don’t have the right to vote," Scott said. "We need to be reviewing our voter rolls and making sure only those individuals who have the right to vote … are voting."

“This hardly seems like an approach earnestly designed to protect the integrity of elections and to ensure that eligible voters have their votes counted,” said the letter, written by Scott’s hand-picked secretary of state, Ken Detzner, a fellow Republican.

Detzner also submitted a list of four questions that he wants the DOJ to answer:

LETTER HERE

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9 posted on 06/07/2012 6:49:35 PM PDT by Elle Bee
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To: neverdem

Since Holder will not answer the House on Fast, let him rot over the state of Fla. dealing with fraud votes, voters, registrars and how the Dem Party continues to cheat. Gov. Scott et al should continue to keep deleting illegal votes as fast as they can. Clear the rolls and then see if Dems win that state in the Fall.


10 posted on 06/07/2012 6:59:26 PM PDT by phillyfanatic
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To: neverdem

Since Holder will not answer the House on Fast, let him rot over the state of Fla. dealing with fraud votes, voters, registrars and how the Dem Party continues to cheat. Gov. Scott et al should continue to keep deleting illegal votes as fast as they can. Clear the rolls and then see if Dems win that state in the Fall.


11 posted on 06/07/2012 6:59:50 PM PDT by phillyfanatic
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To: phillyfanatic

It really sux when the criminals are in charge doesn’t it?


12 posted on 06/07/2012 8:24:24 PM PDT by bicyclerepair ( REPLACE D-W-S ! http://www.karenforcongress.com)
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To: RC51

As I recollect, Obama and McCain were at the top of their respective tickets.

Though I held my nose, voted, and consoled myself with Palin too.


13 posted on 06/07/2012 8:55:38 PM PDT by donmeaker (Blunderbuss: A short weapon, ... now superceded in civilized countries by more advanced weaponry.)
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To: Cowgirl of Justice
Funny how most fraudulent votes and ballots found in a trunk or a broom closet are always for dems.

Dems don't really 'vote' the dead and illegal - they vote the people who don't show up to vote. The dead and illegal are just accidentally thrown into the mix. In the old days they'd use an ice pick to knock out the chads.

14 posted on 06/08/2012 7:07:48 AM PDT by GOPJ (Take your little hammer, little sickle and your scary red signs with a fist on it, and go home...)
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To: neverdem

Progressives don’t like having the possiblity of
vote-conjuring being denied them.

Secure and valid voting rolls are their enemy.

(They should take their velvet-gloved fists and put them where the sun doesn’t shine.)

IMHO


15 posted on 06/08/2012 11:07:52 AM PDT by ripley
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To: phillyfanatic

Frankly, I’d love to see on TV Holder storm troopers invading the FL capital with guns drawn. Would be worth 10,000,000 votes in November.


16 posted on 06/08/2012 1:25:18 PM PDT by pabianice
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To: neverdem
FYI: The local supervisors of elections have halted voter roll purges in Florida.

Apparently the SoE has more authority than the governor.

Link

17 posted on 06/08/2012 1:28:57 PM PDT by rarestia (It's time to water the Tree of Liberty.)
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To: rarestia

Thanks for the link.


18 posted on 06/08/2012 2:57:32 PM PDT by neverdem (Xin loi minh oi)
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To: All

Is there any updates anywhere on this, seems like it’s fading away from the top news. I have an ongoing debate with a lib friend and would like to have more ammo to throw his way.


19 posted on 06/11/2012 10:04:05 AM PDT by Coffee_drinker (The best defense is a strong preemptive strike.)
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