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Justifiable homicides nearly triple after Florida 'Stand Your Ground' law passed
news-journalonline.com ^ | 10 June, 2012 | CHRIS GRAHAM

Posted on 06/10/2012 4:26:01 AM PDT by marktwain

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From 1976-2005 per DOJ statistics, blacks were 12% of the population yet accounted for an astounding 52.2% of all homicides!

Now follow me here. We know that most black grandmothers and most balck 2 year old children are not out gangbanging, so who is? By and large, it is black males between the agest of 15 and 35. This group is apporximately 20% of the total black population. 12% times .2 = 2.4% of the population.

And since we also know that there are good black men in this group, as many go on to college and become entrepreneurs, we can knock 50% and perhaps more out of this group. But for the sake of our argument, let’s use 50%. So 50% of 2.4% is 1.2%.

Approximately 52.2% of all homicides are committed by 1.2% of the population.

This is a National Epidemic, yet where is the media on this? Heck, where is the CDC warning?

Black homicide, the elephant in the room


21 posted on 06/10/2012 5:37:33 AM PDT by Red in Blue PA (Read SCOTUS Castle Rock vs Gonzales before dialing 911!)
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To: Tahoe3002

Were most (if not all) presently banned drugs were brought back into the purview of physicians, the related murders and assaults would vastly decrease, as would the restless search for more and more bizarre highs from things just outside of the reach of the law’s definition. But America has painted itself into a prohibitionist corner and won’t be able to get back out without some messy tracks being made. It’s a liberal fallacy, not a conservative ideal, that everything morally objectionable has to be banned.


22 posted on 06/10/2012 5:38:18 AM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Let me ABOs run loose Lou!)
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To: gzzimlich

And added to everything you mentioned, you let them know in writing, what you have and where it is. Anytime they choose to take it. And besides, with all these “permits” a stroke of the pen invalidates them.


23 posted on 06/10/2012 5:44:57 AM PDT by sport
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To: marktwain

If they really want to stop violent deaths (both of citizens and perps) a universal Constitutional Right to Bear Arms needs to stop being hindered. Justified killings will go up for a while and criminals killing of citizens will decline. Eventually it will get so dangerous for the criminals that they will think before acting and the need to kill them will also go down.


24 posted on 06/10/2012 5:50:24 AM PDT by trebb ("If a man will not work, he should not eat" From 2 Thes 3)
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To: HiTech RedNeck

Okay...I can see the need....but only because the justice system is screwed up as to the right of self defense...and the right to bear arms and the right to protect your property.


25 posted on 06/10/2012 5:54:47 AM PDT by Sacajaweau
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To: marktwain

I have mixed feelings regarding it. There are perps who can and will exploit the loopholes in any law — SYG being one of those.


26 posted on 06/10/2012 5:55:05 AM PDT by Uncle Chip
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To: marktwain
“Stand Your Ground’ is taking the food out of the mouths of public defenders, prosecutors, judges, bailiffs, court recorders, jailers and all the other taxpayer leeches of the legal system. Not to mention journalists who have less crime to write about.
27 posted on 06/10/2012 5:58:43 AM PDT by fella ("As it was before Noah, so shall it be again.")
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To: marktwain

It will get better as we clean out the gene pool.


28 posted on 06/10/2012 6:06:37 AM PDT by ThePatriotsFlag (Anybody but Obama.)
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To: HiTech RedNeck
"Since stand your ground has passed, Florida has become one of the most dangerous states in the country [FOR CRIMINALS]..."

There. Edited to reflect the truth.

29 posted on 06/10/2012 6:08:55 AM PDT by Always A Marine
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To: Sacajaweau

“Circuit Judge Joseph Will, who has never presided over a stand your ground case but has studied the law, said the statute essentially makes it easier for people to shoot first and ask for forgiveness later.I think it’s a bad idea in a society where someone is packing heat on every corner to make it easier to shoot each other,” he said.

Bet the farm that this “judge” has six armed deputies in the courthouse, ready to protect his left-wing a$$. He’s part of the worthless elitist scum who have infiltrated our government and believes in old England serfdom: One law for me and another for thee.

Scum like this pig judge need to be turned out of office and given a one-way ticket to North Korea.

Do your duty, Florida patriots.


30 posted on 06/10/2012 6:09:56 AM PDT by sergeantdave (Public unions exist to protect the unions from the taxpaying public)
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To: marktwain

Dan Gross, president of the Washington, D.C.-based Brady Campaign, a pro-gun control advocacy group, said stand your ground created a mentality of fear and paranoia — a deadly combination for someone carrying a weapon.

“It was a recipe for disaster,” he said.


Liberal idiot! What he wants is the law-abiding to run away and cower from the “empowered criminals” who he represents stealthily.


31 posted on 06/10/2012 6:11:19 AM PDT by The Working Man
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To: marktwain

Apparently, it was a much-needed law.


32 posted on 06/10/2012 6:16:07 AM PDT by rabidralph
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To: Tahoe3002

Spoken like a true Libertarian.


33 posted on 06/10/2012 6:17:50 AM PDT by traderrob6
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To: marktwain

What a pant load.

About 7000 murders in Florida in the same time span mentioned in the article as the 228 “Stand your Ground” claims.

So, not even counting justifiable homicides, etc, only 3% of of the people killed were deemed to be killed in the name of “Stand your Ground”.

And yet the Left continues to protest not the murder of 7000 people but the 228 people who saved their own lives.


34 posted on 06/10/2012 6:18:26 AM PDT by VeniVidiVici (Congrats to Ted Kennedy! He's been sober for two years now!!)
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To: marktwain

There’s nothing in this article to suggest that any of the following have increased: shootings, killings, deaths, murders, crime.

It may be that under the new law, government officials are labeling the same old incidents as self defense.


35 posted on 06/10/2012 6:26:01 AM PDT by Atlas Sneezed (Hold My Beer and Watch This!)
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To: Beelzebubba

The left hates these laws because they know that a person who will stand up and defend themselves from a criminal will also stand up and defend themselves from a government bent on controlling them.


36 posted on 06/10/2012 6:32:51 AM PDT by CarmichaelPatriot
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To: Red in Blue PA
Approximately 52.2% of all homicides are committed by 1.2% of the population.

This is a National Epidemic, yet where is the media on this?

The media is sitting on their butts waiting for the next press release from Jesse Jackson, Al Sharpton or Anti-Gun groups who use the homicides as fundraisers.

Follow the Money Trail.

37 posted on 06/10/2012 6:34:10 AM PDT by TYVets (Pure-Gas.org ..... ethanol free gasoline by state and city)
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To: marktwain

Kind of a dumb article. Most of the examples it gives of SYG are no such thing. They constituted self-defense under the law before passage of SYG. Just like GZ’s case, in which his claim of self-defense has no relevance to SYG. His claim is either justified under the earlier law, or it’s not justified at all.

That said, I think SYG is somewhat prone to abuse if not carefully applied. In particular, when two guys get into a mutual fight and one of them succeeds in killing the other, it should not be consider justifiable homicide. This makes the justified nature of the act dependent solely on who is the more efficient killer.

IMO if the result of a given altercation would be ruled justifiable regardless of which party survives, there’s something inherently wrong either with the law or with its application. This would, for example, seem to allow dueling with the survivor claiming justifiable homicide. IMO in dueling and mutual fights of similar type both parties are guilty of attempted murder (although it’s difficult to prosecute the deceased) and the survivor is guilty of murder, though degree is open to debate depending on the particulars.

With all the talk about increased numbers of justifiable homicide rulings since SYG being passed, it would be interesting to have someone do research on the supposed 300 or so cases to see how many are really questionable, rather than the assumption commonly presented in the mEdia that 2/3 are.


38 posted on 06/10/2012 6:34:59 AM PDT by Sherman Logan
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To: marktwain

People are doing the jobs cops can’t do. So long as the work is getting done, it’s a good thing.


39 posted on 06/10/2012 6:36:22 AM PDT by pallis
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To: CarmichaelPatriot

The left hates these laws because they know that a person who will stand up and defend themselves from a criminal will also stand up and defend themselves from a government bent on controlling them.

Bears repeating writ large!!

40 posted on 06/10/2012 6:55:45 AM PDT by Roccus
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