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Michigan to Vote on Repeal of Permit-to-Purchase & Registration Laws
Ammoland ^ | 13 June, 2012 | NRA-ILA

Posted on 06/13/2012 9:19:53 AM PDT by marktwain

Charlotte, NC --(Ammoland.com)- The Michigan House of Representatives could vote on House Bill 5225 as early as June 13.

HB 5225 is a landmark pro-gun bill that would eliminate the state handgun “permit-to-purchase” and registration requirements. HB 5225 and its amended language have already passed in the Michigan House Judiciary Committee and would require the federal standard of background checks for the purchase of handguns instead of the burdensome, unnecessary and duplicative state “permit” system.

HB 5225, sponsored by state Representative Paul Opsommer (R-93), as amended, would repeal the bureaucratic state “permit-to-purchase” handguns which became obsolete when the National Instant Criminal Background Check System (NICS) took effect in 1998. Under the current state system, gun buyers must apply with their local law enforcement agency and pass a written test before being authorized to buy a handgun. This “permit” is valid for only one gun and it expires after ten days. Since 1998, federal law has required a national criminal records check for the purchase of any firearm, from any gun dealer, in every state.

Some of the key points of HB 5225 as amended are:

* Repeal the state requirement to seek police permission to purchase a firearm by traveling to a local police station and obtaining a permit to purchase. * Repeal the requirement to register a completely legally purchased and owned firearm by a law-abiding citizen to be registered with the government through the police. * Adopt the use of the federally-funded National Instant Criminal Background Check System. * Default to the federal standard of prohibited persons and each purchase would still require a background check. * CutMichigan’s costs by using the federally-administered instant background check system and eliminate wasted man-hours of tracking lawful gun owners inMichigan.

The NRA has been working diligently to repeal this antiquated, costly and unnecessary obstacle for gun owners and has coordinated with several state Representatives to produce the new language for HB 5225.

This bill has made major progress despite the sudden opposition of the Michigan State Police (MSP). Although the MSP expressed their neutrality since HB 5225’s introduction, they changed their position at the last minute and have tried to sabotage its passage. At this time, the MSP is officially opposed to HB 5225 and will be working against our attempts to repeal these obsolete state laws.

This is not the first time that the MSP has been on the wrong side of an important pro-gun bill. For example, during the concealed carry debate, the MSP actively opposed that bill claiming that law-abiding citizens were not responsible enough to carry firearms for self-defense and that violent crime would skyrocket. They have been proven wrong on concealed carry and they are wrong to oppose a rights restoration bill such as HB 5225. NRA-ILA Contact All NRA members across Michigan now need to call AND e-mail their state Representative TODAY and respectfully urge him or her to support HB 5225. To find your state Representative’s contact information, please click here. Ribbon-Line

About: Established in 1975, the Institute for Legislative Action (ILA) is the “lobbying” arm of the National Rifle Association of America. ILA is responsible for preserving the right of all law-abiding individuals in the legislative, political, and legal arenas, to purchase, possess and use firearms for legitimate purposes as guaranteed by the Second Amendment to the U.S. Constitution. Visit: www.nra.org


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Government; News/Current Events; US: Michigan
KEYWORDS: banglist; constitution; mi; registration
As I recall, the Michigan laws in question were lobbied for by the State KKK in order to keep black people disarmed. I think they were first put into effect during the early 1920s.
1 posted on 06/13/2012 9:20:07 AM PDT by marktwain
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To: marktwain

No registration, no permit to purchase, so how does that work for private sales?


2 posted on 06/13/2012 9:24:16 AM PDT by absolootezer0 (2x divorced tattooed pierced harley hatin meghan mccain luvin' REAL beer drinkin' smoker ..what?)
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To: Springman; sergeantdave; cyclotic; netmilsmom; RatsDawg; PGalt; FreedomHammer; queenkathy; ...
The Constitution of the State of Michigan of 1963 Article 1, Section 6 reads:

Every person has a right to keep and bear arms for the defense of himself and the state.

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3 posted on 06/13/2012 9:24:16 AM PDT by cripplecreek (What does it profit a man if he gains the whole world but loses his soul?)
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To: marktwain

>>In 1925, Dr. Ossian Sweet was acquitted of defending his home from a mob of people who were upset with the gall of a black man who dared to integrate a white neighborhood.”

Ector, was referring to the Michigan court case which many have credited as being the genesis of the 1927 Michigan Firearms Act. This law created County Gun Boards, required the licensing of handguns, and made acquiring Concealed Pistol Licenses (CPLs) and handguns difficult for most black people.<<

http://www.concealcarry.org/open-carry-being-encouraged-in-detroit/


4 posted on 06/13/2012 9:29:35 AM PDT by cripplecreek (What does it profit a man if he gains the whole world but loses his soul?)
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To: absolootezer0; All

“No registration, no permit to purchase, so how does that work for private sales?”

I suppose it would work the same way it does in the vast majority of states. You hand over the cash, they hand over the handgun.

The concept that the government could or should only “allow” certain people to buy guns stands the very concept of American jurisprudence on its head. It presumes that the government knows all, controls all, and should be doing so. It is wrong and ineffective. It is the opposite of preventing criminals from possessing guns.

It is crazy to set up a huge expensive bureaucratic system, require everyone to jump though hoops and prove that they are *not* criminals in order to try, ineffectively, to prevent the few individuals who are not responsible, from having legal access to guns. This is a failed paradigm, and it should be abandoned. To accept the idea that the all gun sales should be monitored by the government, and only allowed to those it deems satisfactory is fundamentally wrong.

The entire idea of the enterprise has always been the death of a thousand cuts, where the restrictions on who can buy, and where, and how and what are continually increased until the number of gun owners is reduced to political insignificance.


5 posted on 06/13/2012 9:55:53 AM PDT by marktwain
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To: marktwain

Well said. On all points.


6 posted on 06/13/2012 10:00:31 AM PDT by Dead Corpse (Steampunk- Yesterday's Tomorrow, Today)
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To: marktwain

“...until the number of gun owners is reduced to political insignificance.”

Exactly...it is POLITICAL! This is why I encourage all to get your states equivalent (if required) of a concealed carry permit. a few hundred thousand permits = voters who back 2nd Amendment rights. These are numbers politicians and lobbyists watch closely...they know if an individual goes through the trouble of getting a concealed carry permit...chances are VERY high that this same individual is a voter and a backer of the constitution.


7 posted on 06/13/2012 10:08:34 AM PDT by An American! (Proud To Be An American!)
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To: An American!

There should be no restrictions on any American not in prison or jail (or on probation or parole)

If someone is too much of a danger to own a gun, they’re too much of a danger to allow to walk the streets.


8 posted on 06/13/2012 10:12:09 AM PDT by cripplecreek (What does it profit a man if he gains the whole world but loses his soul?)
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To: cripplecreek

Exactly my point...the only way to get rid of the existing restrictions and prevent future new ones is to have a politically ‘scary’ voting bloc that the legislators recognize and listen too. I was simply advocating working within their current contrived system to show the strength of this group.
For example here in TX we have about 500,000 active CHL licensees. In Nov 2010 about 5 million voted, in March 2010 in primary about 2 million voted and in an off year in 2009 about 1 million voted. So 1/2 a million is statistically significant when they are considering their chances at reelection if they don’t support 2nd amend etc...


9 posted on 06/13/2012 10:27:18 AM PDT by An American! (Proud To Be An American!)
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To: marktwain

that’s what I hoped. that’ll increase convenience of private sales alot.
i have a CCW, so i can buy anytime- assuming i have a registration form with me. but it’s a hindrance to private sales to those without, as they have to find a gun, check it out, go get a permit, go back and hope it’s not sold. real pain if there’s a driving distance involved.

it will require a law change in my day job, but i won’t complain one bit about that. :)


10 posted on 06/13/2012 11:45:46 AM PDT by absolootezer0 (2x divorced tattooed pierced harley hatin meghan mccain luvin' REAL beer drinkin' smoker ..what?)
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To: cripplecreek
am i reading this right?

HB-5225, As Passed House, June 13, 2012

http://www.legislature.mi.gov/documents/2011-2012/billengrossed/House/pdf/2011-HEBH-5225.pdf
11 posted on 06/13/2012 12:31:00 PM PDT by absolootezer0 (2x divorced tattooed pierced harley hatin meghan mccain luvin' REAL beer drinkin' smoker ..what?)
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To: absolootezer0

Its in legalese so I’m not real sure what it says.


12 posted on 06/13/2012 12:44:29 PM PDT by cripplecreek (What does it profit a man if he gains the whole world but loses his soul?)
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To: marktwain

Got any idea what post 11 means. I can’t decipher the legalese but it sure looks like they voted and passed it in the house.


13 posted on 06/13/2012 12:59:00 PM PDT by cripplecreek (What does it profit a man if he gains the whole world but loses his soul?)
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To: cripplecreek; All

The bill passed the house with over two thirds of the votes there.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2894963/posts


14 posted on 06/13/2012 3:32:20 PM PDT by marktwain
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To: cripplecreek
The bill has passed the state House. That's about step 4 of 15. It now has to go to the state Senate and be passed by them. If the Senate amends it, it has to go back to the House. Eventually if both House and Senate pass it, it goes to the Governor. If the Governor approves it, it (eventually) becomes law. I didn't see anything about taking immediate effect (requires 2/3rds approval of both houses), so more than likely the law will go into effect 90 days after the Governor signs it.

So, it's a good start, but there's still a lot of possible places for this to get hung up before it becomes a law.

15 posted on 06/13/2012 3:44:03 PM PDT by TG1K
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To: TG1K

I don’t see it getting hung up in Michigan anywhere but its only a first step toward total gun owner freedom.


16 posted on 06/13/2012 3:49:42 PM PDT by cripplecreek (What does it profit a man if he gains the whole world but loses his soul?)
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To: All

They’ve updated the state website: The bill was passed for immediate effect, so if the Senate does the same it will become law as soon as the Governor signs it. That could still take some time, depending on how long it takes the gears of government to grind through its process.


17 posted on 06/13/2012 9:20:31 PM PDT by TG1K
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