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We are so screwed
Fox news | 6/16/12 | self

Posted on 06/16/2012 2:31:17 PM PDT by Jerrybob

Perfect example of how screwed up things are in this country; how up is down and backwards:

News story on Fox yesterday about how the EPA is using drones to spy on farmers in Nebraska, Iowa and two other bordering states. Congress, went the report, is seeking to pass a law prohibiting the EPA from doing this.

Made me think: wait just a minute.... Isn't Congress supposed to be the premier law-making body in this country, and isn't the EPA merely an agency of government?

Then all that should be needed is a phone call from someone in Congress to the EPA, telling them that this practice is to cease immediately.

Instead, someone at the EPA decides to do this and Congress must try to pass a LAW to get them to stop this????

We are so screwed in this country. Nothing works as it should.


TOPICS: Miscellaneous; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: chat; congress; epa; epadrones; epaoutofcontrol; vanity
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1 posted on 06/16/2012 2:31:28 PM PDT by Jerrybob
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To: Jerrybob

You nailed it.


2 posted on 06/16/2012 2:33:02 PM PDT by exnavy (May the Lord bless and keep our troops.)
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To: Jerrybob

All these rogue alphabet agencies need to go. Seriously.


3 posted on 06/16/2012 2:34:06 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man (I can neither confirm or deny that; even if I could, I couldn't - it's classified.)
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To: Jerrybob

This is why the congressional races are the most important and they need to be real conservatives.


4 posted on 06/16/2012 2:35:19 PM PDT by cripplecreek (What does it profit a man if he gains the whole world but loses his soul?)
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To: Jerrybob
Years ago I worked with a Chinese woman who laughed at inappropriate times. I'm told that this is a Chinese habit when they are uncomfortable. She was young in China during Mao's "Great Leap Forward".

Anyway, we were talking about Halloween, and I mentioned carving pumpkins.
She said, "Pumpkins! Yes! We grew a lot of pumpkins in China!"
I said, "Really? I never knew that. I think of pumpkins as a very American, very New England kind of vegetable."
"Oh, no! We grew many pumpkins! My grandfather grew more pumpkins than anyone else in the village! That's why the government killed him."
And then she laughed in a very unnerving way.

5 posted on 06/16/2012 2:36:40 PM PDT by ClearCase_guy (Obama needs more time. After all -- Rome wasn't burned in a day.)
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To: Jerrybob
Ask Obama and he'll tell you that presidentin’ is hard but dictatorin’ is easy.
6 posted on 06/16/2012 2:37:34 PM PDT by JPG (Don't just talk about it, make it happen.)
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To: Jerrybob

The EPA is an Executive agency - Thank RMN for this.


7 posted on 06/16/2012 2:40:06 PM PDT by Perdogg
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To: Secret Agent Man

All these rogue alphabet agencies need to go. Seriously.

not rogue , they all get their goose stepping orders from the White House,but from the way Obama’s cracking up ,I don’t think he has a clue who’s running things


8 posted on 06/16/2012 2:42:51 PM PDT by molson209
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To: Jerrybob
Isn't Congress supposed to be the premier law-making body in this country, and isn't the EPA merely an agency of government?

You obviously can't name the four branches of gov't; Executive, Legislative, Judicial and ............. Regulatory.

9 posted on 06/16/2012 2:45:25 PM PDT by umgud (No Rats, No Rino's)
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To: Jerrybob
Isn't Congress supposed to be the premier law-making body in this country, and isn't the EPA merely an agency of government?

You obviously can't name the four branches of gov't; Executive, Legislative, Judicial and ............. Regulatory.

10 posted on 06/16/2012 2:46:32 PM PDT by umgud (No Rats, No Rino's)
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To: Jerrybob
Isn't Congress supposed to be the premier law-making body in this country, and isn't the EPA merely an agency of government?

You obviously can't name the four branches of gov't; Executive, Legislative, Judicial and ............. Regulatory.

11 posted on 06/16/2012 2:46:39 PM PDT by umgud (No Rats, No Rino's)
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To: Jerrybob

Take your firearms to the shooting range weekly.

Range therapy works wonders, FRiend.


12 posted on 06/16/2012 2:49:45 PM PDT by RandallFlagg (Look for the union label, then buy elsewhere.)
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To: Jerrybob

In WA State, and many other states as well, they already use aerial photography to spy on rural areas to check for compliance with “farm plans” and zoning rules, as well as wetland compliance.

They hire an aerial photography company out of NY state to do the work in my county of WA State, so I know that other states are doing the same. They state dept of ecology and natural resources had their own plane that they used, but they were forced to give it up in budget cuts, so the wealthy environmentalists are donating their own time to do the photography.

Much of the environmental overreach is dependent on NGOs and appointed boards with private funding that insulates elected officials from the political blowback.


13 posted on 06/16/2012 2:50:41 PM PDT by Eva
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To: Jerrybob

Yo expect Congress to have a spine?


14 posted on 06/16/2012 2:54:59 PM PDT by 353FMG
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To: Jerrybob
“Isn't Congress supposed to be the premier law-making body in this country, and isn't the EPA merely an agency of government?”

Well Yeah, but.
Congress is really too timid to reel in any agency and especially the EPA.
Just look at the Fast & Furious “investigation”.
The Seventeenth Amendment established direct election of United States Senators by popular vote. Now the Senate is not responsible to the state legislators, but to the voters, so they are just another pandering debating society. Each individual member amassing wealth and power for personal gain.
The House has always been a cauldron of individuals representing special interest groups. So expecting help from them is a real waste of time. I seriously doubt if 5% of the members of Congress has read the Constitution, much less tries to follow it.

15 posted on 06/16/2012 2:56:42 PM PDT by Tupelo (TeaParty member, but no longer a Republican)
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To: ClearCase_guy

Chinese / Japanese pumpkins are a quite different are a quite different varirty ( and are green on the outside ) and used in various dishes . Quite tasty .


16 posted on 06/16/2012 2:57:19 PM PDT by sushiman
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To: ClearCase_guy

Chinese / Japanese pumpkins are a quite different different variety ( and are green on the outside ) and used in various dishes . Quite tasty .


17 posted on 06/16/2012 2:58:03 PM PDT by sushiman
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To: Jerrybob
Then all that should be needed is a phone call from someone in Congress to the EPA, telling them that this practice is to cease immediately.

Sorry, but legally incorrect.

Just as a Congress Menber cannot get you to stop something with a phone call, neither can a member simply call the EPA and tell them to stop.

Tht takes the passage of a bill, the the bill being signed into law by the prez. Likewise, what would happen if, as soon as a member call aid said "stop," another member called and said "Don't stop."

EPA is under the Executive Branch. With a more Conservative president, this would never have started.

18 posted on 06/16/2012 3:01:04 PM PDT by MindBender26 (America can survive 4 years of Romney. She cannot survive another 4 years of an unfettered Obama!)
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Spy drones is just the next step.

A lot of the stories of “Black Helicopters” from the 90’s was the EPA.

We bought a backhoe in 1992 to clean out the ditches on our property.

They were flying over constantly while I was digging out the ditches.

Dropped down about 30-40 yards from me one time and started taking pictures.

I reached in the cooler and got a beer then waved at them.

Ruined their whole day.

A friend of mine had them drop down on him while he was mowing his fence line.

19 posted on 06/16/2012 3:06:52 PM PDT by IMR 4350
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“Isn’t Congress supposed to be the premier law-making body in this country, and isn’t the EPA merely an agency of government?”

Glad you asked.

The EPA was not created by legislation, it was created by a Presidential Reorganization Plan (Nixon) which was “ratified” by two committees in Congress. It operates without proper legislative enactment and oversight, and it has done so for more than forty years.

Of course, if you elect a Marxist as President and he appoints environmental fantasists and communists to RUN the EPA, the results will be worse than if you elect Ronald Reagan, HOWEVER...

The whole premise of the EPA’s existence is rotten to the core (in constitutional terms). I’ve looked into how it could be dissolved, but since it was improperly created (in constitutional terms) it’s not clear how, exactly, Congress could do away with it.

This bastard process has now spawned things like the Independent Payment Advisory Board (IPAB), which, although it was created by (unconstitutional Obamacare) legislation, is immune from repeal or dissolution, by the terms of the legislation that created it. That’s right, Congress passed and the President signed a law which forbids Congress from repealing, defunding, or otherwise interfering with the operations of the IPAB, unless they do it by a 60% supermajority in each House during a six month window in 2017.

The time for restoration is drawing near.


20 posted on 06/16/2012 3:09:05 PM PDT by Jim Noble (Anna Wintour makes Teresa Heinz Kerry look like Dolly Parton.)
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