Posted on 06/18/2012 11:07:52 AM PDT by imardmd1
SANFORD, Fla. — (MCT) For weeks, the death of Trayvon Martin, the investigations it launched and the civil rights rallies it spurred were the most important news stories in the country, according to pollsters. At least six news organizations or polling companies did surveys. What they documented, in general, was that people were fascinated and outraged by the Feb. 26 death of the unarmed 17-year-old and angry at the shooter, Neighborhood Watch volunteer George Zimmerman. Two sets of findings, though, stand out: Although it was the No. 1 story in the country overall, twice as many blacks as whites singled it out as the country's most important story, according to the Pew Research Center for the People & the Press. And as time has passed and more evidence has been released, people's feelings about Zimmerman have eased. In late March, while people were still marching in the streets demanding his arrest, 33 percent of the country believed Zimmerman was guilty of murder, according to a poll by Rasmussen Reports. ... (see the rest at the source)
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Maybe O’Mara and George Z. have agreed on a plan which involves letting Corey stink to the max in court, or running out the Obama clock until Mitt Romney becomes president, then if necessary calling on the appellates to fix the train wreck. Saying that trying to fight it otherwise is trying to fight a corrupt City Hall. However, O’Mara will need to begin putting in objections because that matters to the appellate court as well. Something not objected to may not be looked at by the appellate court as seriously, if at all.
Not sure I can grok the meaning of all of this, but I’d be glad (not sad) to find out that I’d been mistaken... still, there might be a question about whether certain items were living expenses. I know the difference between living expenses and niceties having been forced on that choice myself. You may get annoyingly dunned by cards, but you choose to put food on your table, get utilities, and keep a roof over your head as long as possible.
[[But somehow it’s getting insinuated that there are some possible issues I *must* turn a blind eye to or else be ostracized.]]
I’m certainly not sdaying that- I think George and His wife have ‘acted stupidly’ throughout this case (after the initial ‘arrest’), and I can certainly understand that folks who donated thinkign hte money was goign to be used exclusively o nthe trial are understandably upset abotu the zimms using it for other purposes- however, it does appear there was mention the $$ would also be used for personal expenses- but I think a majority of folks went to hte site emotionally charged, and may not have read everythign and had just donated ‘thinking’ that the moeny woudl go solely to defense.
I think most people wantec to trust george blindly, knowing that he is innocent, and didn’t think he could be so lame-braiend as to ‘talk in code’ apparently trying to hide the shuffling of money’, and our perceptions of george got rocked a little over this I think- and so emotions are goign to be higher for a bit- especially for htose hwo donated without knowing the money was goign tio all expenses- but we must remember, the KEY issue i nall this is not him or her ‘lying’ but whether george was right to defend himelf with deadly force agaisnt a thug who was hellbent on murdering him- let’s not lose sight of this FACT- A Man feared for his life, and he acted just like any one of us woudl have acted when someone began violently bashing our heads agaisnt a potentiall deadly object
The judge and prosecution dropped the ball o nthe bond issue- and wife was therefore udner no fuerther obkligation to mention ANY of hte moeny in the paypal account- As to her ‘lying’ by sayign they wetre4 deestitute? They were ifnact destitute without hte paypal funds, but even hte judge hismelf didn’t know whether it was legal to concider this fund as ‘personal income or assets’-
Hopefully, Zimm’s lawyer is brilliant enough to rip the prosecution to shreds over this issue, and ‘hopefully’ the judge will ‘reprimand’ the prosecution and warn them not to try stunts liek htis again
Oh, let there be no doubt: I’m saying good shoot, and I’m saying racist grievance monger political lynch job in bringing the accusations. The devil is in the details.
When “Opinion” outweighs “Justice”, the Rule of Law becomes the Tyranny of Man.
There’s room in the world for uprisings and revolutions, but they are utterly foolish if they do not seek for a restoration of rule by honest men all bound by legitimate law.
You aren’t the one talking in these terms. The problem is another little clique bent on calling me a closet cheerer for the Obamunistic racist coup upon Zimmerman being attempted here. I hope I do not have to call George Zimmerman perfect or close eyes “just on right wing principle” to certain questions about his current management of his affairs. I refuse to do that even if it means being ostracized.
[[Maybe O’Mara and George Z. have agreed on a plan which involves letting Corey stink to the max in court]]
I truly want to beleive that- and I’ll tip my hat to them IF that’s idneed what they are doing
[[Something not objected to may not be looked at by the appellate court as seriously, if at all.]]
Which is why I can’t understand why he isn’t objecting more, and making hte case agaisnt the corrupt prosecution more?
I hope He’s infact a brilliant lawyer- just playing possum until it’s tiem to attack- as this case will have long standing reprocussions on all of our right to defend ourselves- This is a major case that will affect us all i nthe end- and I hope with all my might that the judge will be truly objective and fair (although seeing him get pissed at george makes me wodner if that didn’t bias him somewhat agaisnt the zimmermans) and will give the prosecution their due come-uppence(sp?) for trying to ILLEGALLY railroad zimmerman and for FALSELY arrestingv him on charges that don’t even reflect what happened- The prosecution had to arbitrarily ‘pick a charge’ to charge him with becvause he didn’t fit the profile of any of the charges- Even for the3 charge of manslaughter, George woudl have had to exhibit an ‘indifferent concern for huma life’, and the very tapes and eyewitness accoutns did NOT back that charge up- Zimmerman neve4r even pulled the gun UNTIL trayvon tried to grab it fro nmthje holster- it’s only then that zimmerman shot (and who knows, the shot may hav even happened accidently as they struggled for hte gun-
Agfain, this whole case stinks to high heaven, and hopefulyl the corrupt prosecuition will be broguth to justice for the INJUSTICE they have dealt George- The police did the RIGHT thing by allowing George to go free after ivnestigating the incident- the CORRUPT prosecutor however illegally charged George for a crime he was foudn NOT to have committed already by the police department’s investigative team
Well, since you are the one claiming that GZ's website said at one time that the donations would all be used for legal expenses, you are the one who needs to show proof. I, for one, did donate to therealgeorgezimmerman.com shortly after it went up, and living expenses were listed. I have no problem with them paying off bills of any kind with my money.
I DO have a problem with some of my money being confiscated because of Judge Lester violating GZ's right to confront his accusers and his right to have adequate notice of the motion to revoke bond at the hearing that was supposed to be about media access to the discovery materials.
The money donated here will be used for George Zimmerman's ongoing living expenses, legal costs, and fees for this matter. The funds are being administered by a third-party administrator, who has a background as a former IRS agent, a Certified Public Accountant, and great experience in dealing with Chapter 7 bankruptcy trustee matters.http://www.gzdefensefund.com/
TheRealGeorgeZimmerman.Com also indicated the solicitation was for living and legal expenses.
Not worth having a serious debate with people who persist in false belief on something this simple. (not talking about you)
To my way of thinking, people donated to Zimmerman’s defense fund because they thought he was getting railroaded. They wanted him to have the resources necessary to prevent him being ruined. And we know what the political and media climate was when this first broke.
Much has been made about those funds only being available for his legal service needs. Maybe that was the way it was drawn up. Perhaps not. I don’t know.
The problem with courts is that they look at things legalisticly, with very little leway. In the court’s eyes, anyone who commits infractions, is a criminal. Nevermind if the people in question have been put into a pressure cooker unlike anything they’ve ever experienced before. Nevermind if they are having to make snap judgements with everything on the line that will be scrutinized by people with nothing on the line, who have all the time in the world to study statutes to build a sound case.
Did the Zimmermans make statements at one point thinking those funds were not available to them, only to change their opinion later on based on a new understanding? Anotherwords, are things truly as stark as the judge and the media are assessing them to be?
The Zimmermans may have crossed the line. They may have been untruthful to the judge. They may have felt they had little choice. It may also be true that they merely made mistakes in judgment. It may also be that they are truly deserving of prosecution. We’ll see.
It has been my contention that anyone donating to the Zimmerman’s defense fund so that he wouldn’t get railroaded in court, probably wouldn’t want to see them financially destroyed either.
Unlike some other people, I am not convinced the Zimmerman’s paying down their debt so they could service the remainder when one or both were in jail, would anger folks who donated. It wouldn’t anger me. If I don’t want to see him ruined in court, why would I want to see him ruined financially?
All this being said, Zimmerman is being portrayed as a caniving criminal. I’m not convinced of that. If he is not going to take action to prevent he and his wife from being destoryed here, who would?
I am not convinced them doing what was in their best interest, should be considered a crime. In this atmosphere, it’s my take that they will be convicted of using those funds, and lying to the judge. In the end that’s all the court will have to ‘make sure they pay’. And the Zimmermans will be destroyed just like the media and the race-baiters wanted.
While that may be valid legalistically, I think it will ultimately be a real shame. “Hey, you didn’t do anything we can convict you of, but you did use those donations. We’ll just get you for that.”
The Zimmermans ultimately didn’t have a prayer here. They were ruined from the word go.
The gist of the irrelevant topic you were harping on and cannot seem to release is not germane to the aspect this article addresses, and distracted others from the main theme.
The article which I found and posted for the convenience of others was about "Why public's opinions on Zimmerman is shifting," and was as a service to the site.
I feel no obligation to research any more information or effort to improve your education on Z's bail that you can work out for yourself by reviewing the existing sources.
I'm not going to play ping-pong with you on the bail topic. Sorry, I've other things to do.
That's a nice thought, but this article discussed is not about justice in the courtroom, it is about social impact deriving from the public opinion which drives actions in the community outside the courtroom.
Some questions might be:
o Will the MSM come to be recognized for their diligent efforts to distort the public's perception of events? (Note that one reporter has been fired for deliberately resectioning sound tapes to get the effect desired.)
o Will the passing of time, and better accuracy of reporting , bring a greater focus on the shoddy manipulations of the black community by Sharpton and Jackson racist baiterds?
o Will the actions of the NBPP make enough national opinion impact to draw greater public clamor against their openly terroristic canpaigns; and cause state and federal authorities to be held accountable for permitting the NBPP to operate unopposed?
Let's focus on these community effects brought on by the pot-stirring agitators, propagandists, and overblown irrational responses of governmental figureheads.
However, a specific promise was made to the public. Your leniency may not equate to everybody's leniency.
Now we are to get orthodox about headlines and let that confine discussion, because you apparently are very selective about how much leeway you allow accused parties.
And public promises meant nothing... uh huh. I see. Perfectly clear.
Prove it.
You’ve been yapping all day long, HiTech. I’d like to see you prove it as well.
Sorry again -- I'm not in the business of moderating these discussions. It is a free country, and you can say whatever you want. But others may want to chat about the theme posted.
I have no control over what you want to say or how others want to respond. However, since it is a free country for me also, I can afford to be selective about whom I feel respect and wish to listen to.
Flame away, if it makes you feel better. But it was getting a bit tiresome for me.
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