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To: Save-the-Union

The courts HAVE dealt with this matter - back in the 1800s. There has been NO legal dispute for over 100 years.

Birthers reading Vattel, who didn’t realize the phrase NBC only occurred in the 1797 translation, 10 years AFTER the Constitution was written, have tried to make it an issue by claiming Vattel was the basis for the NBC phrase. They were aided in this stupidity by the fact that ‘natural born’ had largely disappeared from daily use in the 1800s, and most folks don’t know it was used all the time in citizenship cases during the 1700s.

Thus folks THOUGHT the strange sounding phrase came from Vattel - not understanding that it was the NORMAL legal phrase used in the 1700s, with an established legal meaning.

The courts have been clear, which is why these cases never go anywhere. It is NOT a giant conspiracy consisting of all 50 states, every court, and every member of Congress.


90 posted on 06/20/2012 7:59:47 AM PDT by Mr Rogers (A conservative can't please a liberal unless he jumps in front of a bus or off of a cliff)
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To: Mr Rogers
The courts HAVE dealt with this matter - back in the 1800s. There has been NO legal dispute for over 100 years.

This doesn't hold any water. If this was really true, Obama would have cited Supreme Court opinions and holdings in his court cases a long time ago, if this was such an open and shut case for him that he is a natural born citizen. Instead, this issue will drag on as long as it takes until such time because at this time the courts are evading.

Birthers reading Vattel, who didn’t realize the phrase NBC only occurred in the 1797 translation, 10 years AFTER the Constitution was written, have tried to make it an issue by claiming Vattel was the basis for the NBC phrase. They were aided in this stupidity by the fact that ‘natural born’ had largely disappeared from daily use in the 1800s, and most folks don’t know it was used all the time in citizenship cases during the 1700s.

Thus folks THOUGHT the strange sounding phrase came from Vattel - not understanding that it was the NORMAL legal phrase used in the 1700s, with an established legal meaning.

The American translation of the Vattel's book, The Law of Nations, is a true an accurate translation. OBots like to delude themselves that back in the late 1700s that the translation are inaccurate interpretation of deVattel's works. That's complete and utter nonsense.

93 posted on 06/20/2012 12:50:57 PM PDT by Red Steel
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“””””The courts HAVE dealt with this matter - back in the 1800s.”””””

Really? So there is actually a clear Natural Born Citizen definition from multiple federal courts in the 1800s? Oh good.... Please tell us...... We all want to know. ????? VS ?????


96 posted on 06/20/2012 1:31:39 PM PDT by Save-the-Union
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To: Mr Rogers
The courts have been clear

Somewhere a neighborhood is missing an idiot.

98 posted on 06/20/2012 1:41:05 PM PDT by itsahoot (About that Coup d'état we had in 08, anyone worried yet?)
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Quote from Mr Rogers:-


Birthers reading Vattel, who didn’t realize the phrase NBC only occurred in the 1797 translation, 10 years AFTER the Constitution was written, have tried to make it an issue by claiming Vattel was the basis for the NBC phrase.

Vattel wrote in Swiss French before the US Constitution was written.

In 1787 the constitution was written containing the phrase Natural Born Citizen.

In 1797 The law of Nations was translated from French to English and relevant phrase was converted into English as “Natural Born Citizen.”

That means the translator understood the Swiss french words from the old edition to have the same meaning as the English phrase “Natural Born Citizen,” the three word phrase which can *only* have come from the US constitution, since John Jay is the source of the complete English phrase.

The only reason to use Natural Born Citizen in the Translation is if the new translation of Vattels concept is in agreement in meaning with the concept contained in Article II.

The concept is vattel’s, the English language phrase NBC is first used by John Jay in his letter to George Washington, which the founders then used in the Constitution.

The founders consulted the “Law of Nations” on the matter of citizenship, that much is known.

115 posted on 06/21/2012 8:49:24 PM PDT by Exmil_UK
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