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Top doctor's chilling claim: The NHS kills off 130,000 elderly patients every year...Obamacare?
Mail Online ^ | 06/19/12 | Steve Doughty

Posted on 06/20/2012 8:24:14 AM PDT by AngelesCrestHighway

NHS doctors are prematurely ending the lives of thousands of elderly hospital patients because they are difficult to manage or to free up beds, a senior consultant claimed yesterday. Professor Patrick Pullicino said doctors had turned the use of a controversial ‘death pathway’ into the equivalent of euthanasia of the elderly. He claimed there was often a lack of clear evidence for initiating the Liverpool Care Pathway, a method of looking after terminally ill patients that is used in hospitals across the country. It is designed to come into force when doctors believe it is impossible for a patient to recover and death is imminent. It can include withdrawal of treatment – including the provision of water and nourishment by tube – and on average brings a patient to death in 33 hours.

(Excerpt) Read more at dailymail.co.uk ...


TOPICS: Miscellaneous
KEYWORDS: corruption; deathpanels; healthcare; moralabsolutes; obamacare; prolife; socialisthealthcare
Coming soon to a hospital near you....socialized medicine (Obamacare)
1 posted on 06/20/2012 8:24:22 AM PDT by AngelesCrestHighway
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To: AngelesCrestHighway

If I had a terminal and painful illness with no hope for a decent life I would welcome a quick death. I believe this story to be a bunch of hype. Now if they were killing viable and treatable patients strictly on the basis of age, then there would be legs to this story.

There should be a Dr. Kevorkian available when you need one.


2 posted on 06/20/2012 8:30:22 AM PDT by New Jersey Realist (America: home of the free because of the brave)
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To: New Jersey Realist

If they are killing off seniors to free up beds...sounds a bit harsh to me.


3 posted on 06/20/2012 8:35:18 AM PDT by AngelesCrestHighway
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To: New Jersey Realist

For a “realist” you sure don’t live up to your name.

You really think these stories are overblown? Are you living under a rock?

Google “NHS horror stories” and behold your future. Educate yourself.


4 posted on 06/20/2012 8:38:51 AM PDT by Do Not Make Fun Of His Ears (Anyone who thinks we can sit home, then survive four more years of Obama, is a damned fool.)
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To: AngelesCrestHighway

All need be aware of the Orwellian British agency...eerily foreshadowed in a novel, That Hideous Strength, written by CS Lewsi in 1944....N.I.C.E.

Set up by the Labour government in 1999, the National Institute of Health and Clinical Excellence (N.I.C.E.) produces “guidance” for the NHS on what drugs and treatments should be provided by Britain’s government-funded health system. From the extraction of wisdom teeth, to the funding of Alzheimer’s drugs, to the provision or withdrawal of nutrition and hydration to disabled patients, N.I.C.E. lays down what will and will not be paid for by Britain’s National Health Service.

The N.I.C.E. describes its template of criteria as being based on “efficacy and cost effectiveness,” in which a key formula is the “quality adjusted life year” (QALY). The QALY “takes into consideration the quality of life of the patient during any additional time for which their life will be prolonged”. The clinical and cost effectiveness of the treatment is then used as the basis for a recommendation as to whether or not the treatment should be provided.

The case of Leslie Burke, a retired postman with a degenerative motor neurone disease, is illustrative. Burke sued the government for the right not to be denied nutrition and hydration when his illness rendered him unable to swallow or communicate. He won his first case in 2005 with a judge ruling that denying nutrition and hydration “would be a breach of claimant’s rights under . . . the European Convention on Human Rights.” But the General Medical Council and the Department of Health appealed and won.

The head of scientific development and bioethics at the Department of Health, Elizabeth Woodeson, argued in the case that the NHS, according to the guidelines laid down by the N.I.C.E., must retain the right to dehydrate such patients to death or “there would be considerable risk of inefficient use of NHS resources.”

http://www.lifesitenews.com/news/archive/ldn/2008/feb/08020701

N.I.C.E runs what are effectively, the death panels, in Britain. Coming here iminently ...courtesy of the Democrat Party and Obama...


5 posted on 06/20/2012 8:42:48 AM PDT by mo (If you understand, no explanation is needed. If you don't understand, no explanation is possible.)
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To: New Jersey Realist

And that is YOUR CHOICE. If that is your choice that is your choice.

However, if someone wants to live until they draw their last breath that is THEIR CHOICE. I don’t care how aged someone is...they DESERVE the best healthcare they can get. They raised their families, worked their butts off over their lives, abided by the laws and whatever else... and they DESERVE to be treated with human dignity and respect and given meds to help them. If they make it fine...if they don’t that is God’s plan.

Nobody, no obama, no Dr., no nurse, no family member NOBODY has a right to deprive anyone from the health care they deserve. If THEY ask to be let go...once again...that is THEIR CHOICE but no one elses!!!!

We are NOT to be dictated to. We should always do everything we can to save lives. So. your choice to welcome a quick death as you said is your right. It is YOUR decision...not someone elses. THAT is the bottom line here.


6 posted on 06/20/2012 8:45:39 AM PDT by cubreporter
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To: New Jersey Realist

***Now if they were killing viable and treatable patients strictly on the basis of age, then there would be legs to this story.***

Thirty years ago it broke in the news that elderly people were TERRIFIED to call on a doctor as it was found the doctors were killing the patients because THE DOCTOR decided the patient had no quality of life left. It did not matter how the patient felt about their quality of life.


7 posted on 06/20/2012 8:52:44 AM PDT by Ruy Dias de Bivar (I LIKE ART! Click my name. See my web page.)
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To: AngelesCrestHighway

A while ago, I began connecting the dots:

First, the stories about people being refused water while in hospital in Britain. A man who drank the water from a plant in his room because no one would give him water, then the patient who ended up calling the police because no one would give him water. The police show up, they do not give him any water, they leave, he dies soon after.

Second, the European Union section that deals with healthcare comes out with the ridiculous ruling that water is NOT a hydrating agent.

Third, a story I read that said that the hospitals used to tell patient’s families when the patient was put on this program that labeled them terminal. However, those pesky family members would intervene (I don’t know, maybe they gave them water) and would end up saving the life of the patient, which led to

Four, another article saying that they had decided that they would no longer tell family members when their loved one was labeled as “terminal”.

Five — this article, yeah we kill thousands every year. And, they seem proud of it.

As you say, coming to a hospital near us via Obamacare.


8 posted on 06/20/2012 9:00:04 AM PDT by LibertarianLiz
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To: New Jersey Realist

The difference seems to be that YOU want to decide, this article says that someone in the hospital decides whether you get any treatment. I think that is a big difference.


9 posted on 06/20/2012 9:01:43 AM PDT by LibertarianLiz
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To: New Jersey Realist

One of the things you seem to be missing is that the definition of “terminal” varies when one is subject to nationalized health care.

One example, atrial valve stenosis, was considered to have little in the way of treatment and to be terminal.

This is something that is not likely to effect a person until they are 75 or so.

There is no such thing as cheap heart surgery.

Here in the States we now have a procedure that can “cure” it.

Would a government actuary find heart surgery on a 75 year old to be efficient or cost effective?


10 posted on 06/20/2012 9:22:39 AM PDT by gnarledmaw (Obama: Evincing a Design since 2009)
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To: Ruy Dias de Bivar

I failed to mention this was in the Netherlands.


11 posted on 06/20/2012 9:26:01 AM PDT by Ruy Dias de Bivar (I LIKE ART! Click my name. See my web page.)
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To: AngelesCrestHighway; Dr. Brian Kopp; New Jersey Realist

What don’t these doctors understand about the Commandment “Thou shalt not kill.”??

That includes choosing this method of death for oneself or for a loved one, doesn’t it?

Good grief, get them out of the hospitals and back into your home where you can treat them without the slow death of these doctor OR Hospice.

Yes, when my husband died, we had hospice for four months. I regret it now — for I see how they manipulated his death.


12 posted on 06/20/2012 9:38:56 AM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: LibertarianLiz

These people will ALL have too answer to God one day. And they are not going to like God’s answer -—


13 posted on 06/20/2012 9:42:45 AM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: AngelesCrestHighway

“sounds a bit harsh to me”
Sounds a bit “SOYLENT GREEN” to me.


14 posted on 06/20/2012 9:54:39 AM PDT by Pompah
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To: AngelesCrestHighway

The “Shipman Cult” lives!

Dr. Harold Shipman murdered over 200 of his patients, before being convicted, sentenced to prison, and hanging himself. Not out of feelings of guilt, but out of feelings of self pity, that it was not fair that he be imprisoned.

If each physician involved in these murders has been as prolific as Shipman, in a single year this would mean 650 of them had each killed 200 patients. Half as prolific, 1,300 doctors would have killed 100 patients each.

So either *some* doctors are killing almost a patient a day, *each*, or more, or doctors in Britain are almost all engaged in a more limited killing spree, killing more people than most serial killers.

That is, every British doctor could right now be killing more people *each year* than did the Green River Killer, John Wayne Gacy, Ted Bundy, Jeffrey Dahmer, Richard Ramirez,
The Boston Strangler, The Hillside Strangler, Ed Gein, etc.


15 posted on 06/20/2012 10:10:58 AM PDT by yefragetuwrabrumuy
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To: New Jersey Realist
If I had a terminal and painful illness with no hope for a decent life I would welcome a quick death.

But which doctor or government agent would you trust with that decision?
16 posted on 06/20/2012 10:17:12 AM PDT by Ellendra ("It's astounding how often people mistake their own stupidity for a lack of fairness." --Thunt)
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To: Salvation; wagglebee
Anyone who thinks this is not happening every day here in this country is sadly mistaken.
17 posted on 06/20/2012 11:14:36 AM PDT by Brian Kopp DPM
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To: LibertarianLiz

The whack left hates America and this is their way of exterminating the elderly. Can you imagine living your whole life in relative happiness then having to face the horror of some government dictate taking your life because they determined your life is over?...To hell with Obama!


18 posted on 06/20/2012 11:22:10 AM PDT by AngelesCrestHighway
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To: Do Not Make Fun Of His Ears

The reality is if I choose to die then no one should stop me. Of course if someone wants to live then no one should prevent it.

That is not YOUR reality?


19 posted on 06/20/2012 12:42:47 PM PDT by New Jersey Realist (America: home of the free because of the brave)
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To: AngelesCrestHighway

This is how you pay for “free” healthcare.


20 posted on 06/20/2012 1:36:27 PM PDT by BinaryBoy (Anyone But Romney)
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To: New Jersey Realist; wagglebee

Self-murder is still murder.


21 posted on 06/20/2012 1:39:28 PM PDT by EternalVigilance (TomHoefling.com)
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22 posted on 06/20/2012 3:22:18 PM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: New Jersey Realist
If I know and let you kill yourself, then I have killed you. Do you really think that you can give people the "right" to kill people that they deem past fit to live, and they won't soon be killing others. Once many a human gets the taste of power over life and death, don't expect it all to stop where you think it should. Learn from Nazi Germany. They started out by aborting "undesirables", moved to killing the retarded and handicapped, moved onto killing gypsies and homosexuals, then Jews, and finally anyone who even remotely crossed the state. God said in The Bible, "Thou shalt not murder". That means ourselves or others. When you think that you have a right to kill yourself you are usurping God's right to decide in such matters. God has the right to decide life and death. Even a just war must be called for by God.

If you have ever worked with, or been close to someone who is dying you would realize that in those final months, days, and hours God is working in their soul in a unique and special way. He finalizes many things and often even gives the dying their final chance to get right with Him so that they do not spend eternity in the lake of fire. Death often is the process of getting ready to meet God. It is right for The LORD to have preeminence over these final things of the soul of a person. Also, these last months, and days allow those that love that person to say their goodbyes and come to terms with loosing their love one for the rest of their life on earth.

23 posted on 06/20/2012 6:49:32 PM PDT by Bellflower (The LORD is Holy, separated from all sin, perfect, righteous, high and lifted up.)
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