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Issa pushes ahead with Holder contempt vote despite Obama intervention
Fox News ^ | 06/20/2012

Posted on 06/20/2012 8:48:21 AM PDT by SeekAndFind

Rep. Darrell Issa said Wednesday that he is pressing ahead with a committee vote to hold Attorney General Eric Holder in contempt of Congress, despite an 11th-hour move by President Obama to exert executive privilege over the Fast and Furious documents at the heart of the dispute.

The announcement immediately touched off a caustic debate on the House Oversight and Government Reform Committee, as Democrats accused Issa of prosecuting a "political witch hunt" and Republicans stepped up their criticism of Holder's "stonewalling" over the Fast and Furious probe. Even for Washington, the tone at the hearing was decidedly bitter and accusatory.

The House Oversight and Government Reform Committee was first informed of the president's decision to exert executive privilege in a letter Wednesday morning, shortly before the contempt vote was scheduled.

Issa said committee staff are evaluating the letter but described the move as too little, too late as he and other GOP lawmakers questioned the basis for the assertion.

"This untimely assertion by the Justice Department falls short of any reason to delay today's proceedings," Issa said.

Issa accused the Justice Department of trying to compel the committee to close its investigation in exchange for documents it hasn't yet seen. "I can't accept that deal. No other committee chairman would," he said.

But Issa's Democratic counterpart, Rep. Elijah Cummings, D-Md., fired back that Holder never made such a demand -- a Justice official also refuted Issa's claim -- and said the attorney general had come to the committee in "good faith" to try and work out an agreement.

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KEYWORDS: 2deadfeds; 300deadmexicans; atf; banglist; brianterry; dea; dhs; doj; fastandfurious; fastfurious; fbi; gunrunner; gunwalker; holder; ice; issa; jaimezapata; murdergate; obama; obamagate; terry; zapata

1 posted on 06/20/2012 8:48:33 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

Political Witch Hunt my ass.

Executive Privilege is an admission by Obama that he is in this up to his big floppy ears.

They aren’t hunting a witch, the Warlock just jumped out of hiding.

Impeachment—————Impeachment————Impeachment.

Makes Watergate look like a picnic.


2 posted on 06/20/2012 8:59:41 AM PDT by Venturer
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To: SeekAndFind

Yes, following this.

Question, though: One of Fox’s “experts” claimed that there was no proof that a walked, Fast & Furious gun killed a Terry. No argument ensued. Am I missing something?


3 posted on 06/20/2012 9:00:04 AM PDT by Mach9
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To: SeekAndFind

Sorry, delete that “a” before Terry.


4 posted on 06/20/2012 9:01:17 AM PDT by Mach9
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To: Mach9

Which is why the story of a missing 3rd gun at the scene of the Terry shooting is very significant.


5 posted on 06/20/2012 9:02:45 AM PDT by hflynn
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To: SeekAndFind

I am listening to another lying dumbass (e.g. Democrat Politician) and he, like the rest, keep referring to GUN CONTROL. They make their intents obvious.

Connelly, it was, and he said the officials in Mexico were concerned about the number of guns coming into Mexico from the US.

Then why is the government aiding the trafficking of guns INTO Mexico? Why are he and the other dumbasses covering up for it?

We know why.


6 posted on 06/20/2012 9:02:49 AM PDT by UCANSEE2 (Lame and ill-informed post)
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To: SeekAndFind
The Democrats are surrounding and protecting their God... Photobucket
7 posted on 06/20/2012 9:09:03 AM PDT by baddog 219
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To: SeekAndFind
Lynch (D umbass) is saying that KEN MELSON was never questioned, because he could prove that Holder wasn't guilty. Isn't Melson the one Obama sent off to some foreign country to hide?

More LYNCH: "blah, blah, blah, everone's so mean and after Holder. It's George Bush's fault, blah, blah, blah. And that proves Holder is innocent."

Same speech, from all the Dems.

8 posted on 06/20/2012 9:11:59 AM PDT by UCANSEE2 (Lame and ill-informed post)
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To: UCANSEE2; Joe Brower; Travis McGee; LucyT; vette6387; MetaThought; 60Gunner; XHogPilot; ...

I know the pings are piling up, but there are great comments on all the threads. And besides that, I am hyper to the max over this!


9 posted on 06/20/2012 9:12:37 AM PDT by MestaMachine (obama kills)
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To: UCANSEE2

here is the reasoning in a nutshell...

fubo, holder, clintoon and napolitano spoke of the “river of iron” flowing from north to south..

upon investigation, it was found this river did not exist...

soooo... one needed to be created...

This was the beginning


10 posted on 06/20/2012 9:14:12 AM PDT by joe fonebone (I am the 15%)
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To: MestaMachine

“...And besides that, I am hyper to the max over this!...”

You’re not alone on this. Having duct-tape head wrap moments myself right now over it.

Everything happens for a reason. Have faith. We will win this, one way or another.


11 posted on 06/20/2012 9:15:16 AM PDT by NFHale (The Second Amendment - By Any Means Necessary.)
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To: SeekAndFind

Now I wonder if the number of Dem Reps who supposedly would vote for Contempt will change...up or down? Will they circle the wagons or feel alarmed. I do think they must have seen something in the past couple of weeks to have 31 of them supposedly support it.


12 posted on 06/20/2012 9:16:04 AM PDT by kevslisababy
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To: SeekAndFind

Quigley (D umbass) states, “you can buy as many AK47’s as you want.”

Apparently he doesn’t know the law. And apparently, all guns are AK47’s. (AK47 is a ‘keyword’ for Dems)

Obfuscation, lies, and plenty of stuttering by the DEMS. Direct quick short responses by the Repubs.

STUTTER and RAMBLE. LIAR.

Direct , to the point, brief. TRUTH.


13 posted on 06/20/2012 9:23:10 AM PDT by UCANSEE2 (Lame and ill-informed post)
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To: UCANSEE2

IIRC, melson got himself a att’y, testified behind closed doors almost a year ago.


14 posted on 06/20/2012 9:24:13 AM PDT by MestaMachine (obama kills)
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To: SeekAndFind
I fear the republicans will back down.

Obama screwed up again. Jarret should have fired Holder and announced it was for incompetence. Then Obama could have stayed out of the fray and avoided being dragged into this.....

Unless Obama was involved and the evidence that the judiciary committee is seeking would implicate the his involvement in the cover-up.

Here is what I believe happened.

1) Holder knew of the program and the president was briefed.
2) As a result of Holder's testimony (perjury) they had to cover up the involvement of Holder and awareness of Obama.
3) The documents that are being sought will show that Holder Perjured himself and that Obama/Jarret ordered him to do so to avoid having to implicate the President's approval or knowledge of what was going on. The documents will show a scandal.

This would explain why Obama can't let Holder go and now must claim executive privilege to cover his own a$$.

15 posted on 06/20/2012 9:26:51 AM PDT by Tenacious 1 (The Click-&-Paste Media exists & works in Utopia Province, riding unicorns to work.)
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To: joe fonebone

But this hearing is not about the fact they did it.

It is about the fact that they continue to lie about doing it, and condemn these ‘hearings’ based on -the Republicans are ‘meanies’ for demanding the TRUTH.


16 posted on 06/20/2012 9:27:49 AM PDT by UCANSEE2 (Lame and ill-informed post)
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To: SeekAndFind

DesJarlais (R eal): “The Obama Administration is concerned about the ‘evolving truth’. And that term bothers me.”

Obama himself is an ‘evolving truth’.


17 posted on 06/20/2012 9:32:32 AM PDT by UCANSEE2 (Lame and ill-informed post)
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To: SeekAndFind

Welch (D umbass): “Every time we DEMS try to bend the Republicans and the Public over a table and screw them in the rear, they get mad and want investigations. This keeps us from getting anything done.”

(Just kidding. But that was the implication of his comments)


18 posted on 06/20/2012 9:35:58 AM PDT by UCANSEE2 (Lame and ill-informed post)
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To: UCANSEE2

I am fully aware of that... I started following this back in January 2011, right after Terry was murdered....

Issa has played this exactly right, he started his investigation, began to close the back doors and escape routes....

It would appear he as been successful....

Supreme court hearing in 3....2...1...

and if presidence means anything in a court of law, revocation of said executive priviledge...

Then, just like nixon, we will get a wave from a helicopter..


19 posted on 06/20/2012 9:36:24 AM PDT by joe fonebone (I am the 15%)
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To: SeekAndFind

Issa: “We lowered the goalposts to the ground, but Holder keeps trying to bury the football somewhere out on the 50 yard line.”

(again, kidding, but that is what he implied. And he’s right.)


20 posted on 06/20/2012 9:38:51 AM PDT by UCANSEE2 (Lame and ill-informed post)
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To: SeekAndFind

GO GOWDY .

He’s letting them have it.


21 posted on 06/20/2012 9:40:59 AM PDT by UCANSEE2 (Lame and ill-informed post)
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To: joe fonebone

I plan to contribute to Issa.


22 posted on 06/20/2012 9:41:48 AM PDT by apocalypto
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To: SeekAndFind

GOWDY: “Obama is a big fat liar”.

(again... paraphrased and condensed, but he called EVERYBODY OUT, especially Obama.)


23 posted on 06/20/2012 9:45:54 AM PDT by UCANSEE2 (Lame and ill-informed post)
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To: SeekAndFind

YARMUTH (D umbass liar): “man, this lying stuff is hard. More obfuscation needed.”


24 posted on 06/20/2012 9:48:23 AM PDT by UCANSEE2 (Lame and ill-informed post)
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To: SeekAndFind

ISSA to YARMUTH: “You’re a liar. Melson’s statement is available to you.”


25 posted on 06/20/2012 9:50:07 AM PDT by UCANSEE2 (Lame and ill-informed post)
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To: SeekAndFind
But Issa's Democratic counterpart, Rep. Elijah Cummings, D-Md., fired back that Holder never made such a demand -- a Justice official also refuted Issa's claim -- and said the attorney general had come to the committee in "good faith" to try and work out an agreement.

Did Issa go into the meeting alone?!
Not smart if he did go alone and he should have known this would happen...unless he recorded the meeting in some manner.

26 posted on 06/20/2012 9:56:01 AM PDT by philman_36 (Pride breakfasted with plenty, dined with poverty, and supped with infamy. Benjamin Franklin)
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To: SeekAndFind
Two certain reasons for “decidedly bitter and accusatory” between dem and GOPers.

The dems see their chance to permanently liberalize AGAIN going down in fast flames.

The dems are spitting mad that the GOPers have the gall to stand up to them.

This bitterness is a good thing. More and more voters are seeing the real perpetrators are the dems. At some point the dems will cry UNCLE, maybe after the election when the devastation sinks in.

27 posted on 06/20/2012 9:57:27 AM PDT by X-spurt (Its time for ON YOUR FEET or on your knees)
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To: SeekAndFind
GOWDY (R): If you have proof 'gunwalker' was illegal, show it. But that doesn't mean you can ignore the 'subpoena'.

SPEIER: (D umbass liar beeotch): Guns are bad, mkay. It's Bush's fault. It (guns to Mexico) went on then, it's going on at this very moment (Bet she didn't mean to say that). Now she's refusing to yield during a question/answer parry, and being a BITCH about it. Obfuscation and misdirect time. "that document, which is a reflection of the understanding of the statement of the underlying theme of the witch-hunting AK47's, due to the papers which were the document which were revealed to be unknown to the principal of the letter. AND NO, I'm not going to yield, I have 52 seconds left and I'm going to give it to another dumbass liar."

28 posted on 06/20/2012 10:07:01 AM PDT by UCANSEE2 (Lame and ill-informed post)
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To: SeekAndFind
LABRADOR (R) - to ISSA: "In yesterday's meeting, did the other side say "if we give you the documents, you have to DROP ALL INVESTIGATION, i.e. the HEARING"

ISSA: YES.

29 posted on 06/20/2012 10:10:56 AM PDT by UCANSEE2 (Lame and ill-informed post)
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To: UCANSEE2

“I have 52 seconds left and I’m going to give it to another dumbass liar”


lol thanks for the “accuratized” updates


30 posted on 06/20/2012 10:15:44 AM PDT by freedomlover (Make sure you're in love - before you move in the heavy stuff)
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To: SeekAndFind

FARENTHOLD (R): Back when the hearing with the Terri family occurred, both sides were upset. Now, you’re circling the wagons to protect a political appointee, and that’s JUST WRONG. If we are going to let EXECUTIVE PRIVILEGE cover government interaction all the way down to the janitor at ATF, then we might as well pack up and go home. “


31 posted on 06/20/2012 10:16:00 AM PDT by UCANSEE2 (Lame and ill-informed post)
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To: SeekAndFind
EVOLVING TRUTH
32 posted on 06/20/2012 10:18:32 AM PDT by UCANSEE2 (Lame and ill-informed post)
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To: UCANSEE2
Liberal AK-47:


33 posted on 06/20/2012 10:19:21 AM PDT by freedomlover (Make sure you're in love - before you move in the heavy stuff)
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To: SeekAndFind

“Even for Washington, the tone at the hearing was decidedly bitter and accusatory.”


Translation: Dems are not getting their way.


34 posted on 06/20/2012 10:21:30 AM PDT by freedomlover (Make sure you're in love - before you move in the heavy stuff)
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To: SeekAndFind

Pray that Issa has good bodyguard protection.


35 posted on 06/20/2012 10:36:30 AM PDT by crosshairs
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To: kevslisababy
Will they circle the wagons or feel alarmed. I do think they must have seen something in the past couple of weeks to have 31 of them supposedly support it.

Yeah, Hillary washed her hair and injected Botox. She's running.
36 posted on 06/20/2012 10:39:06 AM PDT by crosshairs
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To: SeekAndFind

“Democrats accused Issa of prosecuting a “political witch hunt”

WHAT?...The Alberto Gonzales resignation was a political witch hunt. He fully cooperated and was not guilty of a dam* thing and he was forced to resign. ERIC HOLDER is an accomplice in murder. He should be arrested.

I’m truly sick of the hypocrisy. Lord, please give me strength!


37 posted on 06/20/2012 10:57:01 AM PDT by oust the louse (Hey Axelrod, if Obama is the black jesus, I am Sparticus.)
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To: SeekAndFind

Asking for documents is a witch hunt?


38 posted on 06/20/2012 11:21:36 AM PDT by TigersEye (Life is about choices. Your choices. Make good ones.)
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To: Mach9; hflynn
There is no question that two guns recovered at the scene of BP Agent Brian Terry's murder were F&F guns plus one more from a Texas gun shop walked under a different Project Gunrunner operation.

FBI Criminal Informant Complicit in Brian Terry’s Death (PJM Exclusive)

The rip crew was in Peck Canyon that evening with the intention of stealing money and drugs from a specific shipment of which they had prior knowledge.

(snip)

The rip crew knew to be in Peck Canyon that December evening because a CI working for the FBI found out about a smuggling run — from the FBI.

(snip)

The Drug Enforcement Administration (DEA) — through its own CIs and communications intercepts — was also aware of the planned assault.

Neither the DEA nor FBI warned Border Patrol about the expected criminal activity.

(snip)

The federal government will still not reveal if one of the two WASR-10 AK-pattern semi-automatic rifles located near the scene — provided to the Sinaloa cartel via Operation Fast and Furious — was the weapon that put a bullet through Brian Terry’s heart. The existence of a third recovered gun, an SKS carbine, has been disputed by the FBI despite the fact it had been talked about openly in the beginning of the investigation among federal agents.

Multiple sources tell PJM that this third weapon “disappeared” because it was the weapon carried by the FBI CI who ran the rip crew. When it was recovered near the scene of the murder and subsequently traced by the ATF, it traced back to the FBI CI via the gun shop in Texas where it was purchased.


39 posted on 06/20/2012 11:24:56 AM PDT by TigersEye (Life is about choices. Your choices. Make good ones.)
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To: MestaMachine
And besides that, I am hyper to the max over this!

You've done a great job keeping this issue alive, Mesta - you deserve to be hyped about it. Thanks for all your good work.

40 posted on 06/20/2012 11:32:40 AM PDT by GOPJ (The 'doting court eunuchs' of the MSM fail to notice...)
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To: joe fonebone; UCANSEE2
Mexico's Gun Supply and the 90 Percent Myth

One article is all that is needed to refute the "river of guns" propaganda.

41 posted on 06/20/2012 11:33:36 AM PDT by TigersEye (Life is about choices. Your choices. Make good ones.)
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To: UCANSEE2
"Obama himself is an ‘evolving truth’"

These Marxists don't use moral relativism for nothing.

42 posted on 06/20/2012 11:57:17 AM PDT by jonrick46 (Countdown to 11-06-2012)
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To: MestaMachine

It’s coming to the point, Mesta.

Seat belts on, tray tables secured and seat in an upright position!


43 posted on 06/20/2012 1:06:58 PM PDT by little jeremiah
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To: GOPJ

thanks to the great posters whose threads I simply pinged.


44 posted on 06/20/2012 1:39:42 PM PDT by MestaMachine (obama kills)
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To: hflynn; TigersEye

Thank you, both. Much appreciated. But are we now, or have we ever been, looking for the literally SMOKING guns that killed two Americans? No matter how it’s sliced, F&F guns were at the scene of both crimes, and it’s purely moot whether or not Terry & Zapata were killed by one or more bullets coming from one of a group of guns engaged in the two murder. The F&F guns are no more separable from the crime, no less implicated in the crime, than the so-called human beings who pulled the triggers but missed their targets..


45 posted on 06/20/2012 4:29:48 PM PDT by Mach9
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To: Mach9

You are right that's not really the issue. It is about facilitating these crimes and criminals not the exact gun that finally fired any killing shot.

Here is more about Jaime Zapata.

46 posted on 06/20/2012 4:47:08 PM PDT by TigersEye (Life is about choices. Your choices. Make good ones.)
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