Posted on 06/21/2012 4:54:00 AM PDT by Sir Napsalot
The Republicans shamelessly turned what should be a routine matter into a pointless constitutional confrontation. And the White House responded as most administrations do at some point: it invoked executive privilege to make a political problem go away.
(snip) Executive privilege cannot and should not be allowed to shield the executive branch from regular, valuable Congressional oversight. There was no reason the House committee and the Justice Department could not work out a deal to produce the documents requested, or some form of them. Instead, they show again that every issue, large or small, can be turned into ammunition for political combat.
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That is indeed laughable! Which is why I responded to your "Exposing and circulating direct evidence of malfeasance, misconduct and criminal acts is the meat of it."
Not only have those who care to know been saturated, but the MSM is about to crush those educated numbers by spreading nonsense and confusion.
Even if we get Holder in prison garb before the election, Pelosi is already rolling out the "they went after Holder so he can't enforce voting rights act so Republicans can steal the election again in Florida!"
That will win 100x more adherents in the first day in the sheeple population than Sipsey Street Irregulars have reached over the entire investigation.
So. MY suggestion is of course not to try to win the MSM argument (you can't) but is to neuter the organizations NOW who can do these things so they'll have trouble doing this stuff again in the future.....and let the high profile Holder/Oabamao connections fall where they may.
**** obviously by “neuter those organizations” I mean ATF/FBI not the MSM....
You're doing a pretty good job of that yourself.
**** obviously by “neuter those organizations” I mean ATF/FBI not the MSM....
Good luck with that.
Good luck with that.
Wow. So you really are not interested in whether we have another Ruby Ridge or Waco or Fast and Furious in two years, as long as we get Holder's scalp?
You need to ask yourself exactly HOW we are supposed to neuter these orgs when the pols we elect will not lift a finger against them?
Do we storm the walls with pitchforks?
You need to ask yourself exactly HOW we are supposed to neuter these orgs when the pols we elect will not lift a finger against them?
Do we storm the walls with pitchforks?
Sure I am. I'm just not interested in your incoherent ramblings.
LOL. Thank you for taking the time to reply from on high!
DAMN Mesta! Hello? THAT IS EXACTLY WHY I BROUGHT IT UP.
We have hundreds of threads about Holder and Obama, but we don't have word ONE about how to reign in ATF/FBI/antigunners.
Forget about "the pols we elect." TigersEye mocks me for even bringing up the idea that we should neuter these agencies in this regard. There's no interest on even FR for such a topic, so why the hell would you expect the pols to be interested, much less the general public.
By the way, Mesta. Go ahead and add me to your "2013+ ATF Scandal" ping list. This will be the pinglist for the next outrage in the organization left when Holder is long gone and a new "justice" figurehead sits at the committee table.
No I didn't. I agreed with that. I'm waiting for you to tell us how.
LOL. At least I post content with my insults.
I’m sure it seems like content to you.
I'm sorry. Did I miss the single solitary thread or article where the topic discussed was "how to prevent another Waco/RR/F&F?"
Bring me up to speed on the conclusions, because I missed it. As far as I know, not a whisper has been uttered about that topic and it seems to me that it's a root cause important issue, is it not?
It is TIME to DownSize DC! Eliminate entire Rogue & Un-Constitutional Departments. The only way to eliminate the Lefties who run them and work there, is to CLOSE the ENTIRE Department and move any worthwhile function back to the State. No other path out of this mess.
Dems won't do it. GOPe will not do it. But We the People MUST DO IT, at the ballot box. (for now)
How would I know what you have or haven't seen and why would I care? If you want a thread on those topics then post one. I agreed with you. Now tell us your brilliant plan to accomplish your goal.
Texas Fossil has a suggestion in #55. Why does congress have to fund ATF? What can they do that the FBI and State LEOs cannot manage without tanks and selling guns to drug cartels?
Texas Fossil to sam_paine
It is TIME to DownSize DC! Eliminate entire Rogue & Un-Constitutional Departments. The only way to eliminate the Lefties who run them and work there, is to CLOSE the ENTIRE Department and move any worthwhile function back to the State. No other path out of this mess.
Dems won’t do it. GOPe will not do it. But We the People MUST DO IT, at the ballot box. (for now)
“...that is abetting a criminal rampage.”
Time to defund the ATF....way past time to do so...
I’m sure my two commie Senators, Bennet and Udall, will vote for that.
Well they sure as hell won't vote to convict Holderbama.
But if Issa's public comments were focused on restructuring the ATF "to protect agents and citizens from rogue ops", then it would probably be pretty popular right now, even in border states with Dem congresscretins.
And meanwhile, the private focus could still go on with an eye toward snagging Holder's scalp. Perhaps even get more whistleblowers from the good agents who see an opportunity to get rid of some corrupt low-level bosses?
Get the house in order without the high-profile dog/pony show (which btw, is about to be swamped by the Obamacare decision anyway.)
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