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'States Must Sacrifice Sovereignty to Save Euro'
Der Spiegel ^ | 06/27/2012 | David Crossland

Posted on 06/27/2012 6:24:36 AM PDT by Olog-hai

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To: agere_contra
Building public support for European-wide decisions with a far-reaching impact on the everyday lives of citizens is essential.

Culminating in the historically popular:

"Next! Do you support this decision?"
"No."
[BANG]
"Next! Do you support this decision?"
"YES!!!"

41 posted on 06/27/2012 8:16:03 AM PDT by ctdonath2 ($1 meals: http://abuckaplate.blogspot.com)
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To: Olog-hai
accept a loss of sovereignty to make the currency work . . . ?

Successful business negotiators do not give up real things in exchange for phony promises. We trade real things for real things and promises for promises.

The Euro is phony right down to the fake landmarks printed on it. The dollar, for all the problems with the Fed, at least shows real people and real landmarks.

42 posted on 06/27/2012 8:24:54 AM PDT by Vigilanteman (Obama: Fake black man. Fake Messiah. Fake American. How many fakes can you fit in one Zer0?)
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To: agere_contra

Then I’m afraid you don’t understand the EU, or the German politicians who started the EU in the first place. Those politicians aren’t going to walk away from something they created, especially if it increases their power on the world stage. The CDU in particular are very passionate about a united Europe. I suspect the façade will eventually be stripped away (it already has in part, what with Ireland’s budget having been revealed to be reviewed by the Bundestag; a lot more of this kind of stuff will be openly seen in the future) . . .


43 posted on 06/27/2012 8:32:19 AM PDT by Olog-hai
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To: freedumb2003

OK . . . now imagine all of the above (plus those from other countries) united under a single command instead, like many “Europhilic” politicians want to happen.


44 posted on 06/27/2012 8:34:12 AM PDT by Olog-hai
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To: agere_contra

This would be like having $500,000 in the bank and combining your bank accounts with your three bankrupt neighbors. What could possibly go wrong?

Germany, as the only financially successful country in the whole block isn’t going to take budget orders from Spain, Greece, Italy, and France.


45 posted on 06/27/2012 10:11:43 AM PDT by nobamanomore
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To: Olog-hai
The interest rate structure is out of whack

If the interest rate structure is "out of whack," it is a result of central bank meddling. That can be cured by stopping the creation of money and allowing the market to set rates.

holding down national debt to 3 percent of GDP by itself would not allow the less-industrialized countries to catch up to the more-industrialized ones

Government debt does not spur any "catching up." If anything, it holds them back. Any GDP growth caused by fiscal deficits is illusory and will disappear at the next recession.

The monetary unit has nothing whatsoever to do with a country's economic development. True economic growth [i.e., capital growth] can take place anywhere the government doesn't siphon it away from the private sector.

I don't expect any of this to happen, but it's certainly economically possible. The Euro, whatever the reasons for its creation (and I agree largely with yours,) is not the problem. It functions as if the Euro-zone members had fixed exchange rates and that imposes a welcome discipline on governments.

We can see, even now, how drastically Ireland, Greece, Spain, and Portugal are cutting back on government spending. It isn't enough, but it never would have happened at all with national currencies. If allowed to, the Euro would function much as a gold standard and, ultimately, all Europe could be as stable and prosperous as Germany is.

That's theory, of course, but it's solid. Shame the Europeans aren't likely to follow it.

46 posted on 06/27/2012 2:58:06 PM PDT by BfloGuy (The final outcome of the credit expansion is general impoverishment.)
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To: BfloGuy

You sure got the central bank meddling bit right. Problem is, the fallout extended way beyond the eurozone’s borders.


47 posted on 06/27/2012 3:48:53 PM PDT by Olog-hai
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To: Olog-hai
You sure got the central bank meddling bit right. Problem is, the fallout extended way beyond the eurozone’s borders.

Yep. Couldn't agree more.

48 posted on 06/27/2012 4:45:18 PM PDT by BfloGuy (The final outcome of the credit expansion is general impoverishment.)
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To: Olog-hai

A student of European history will note that when the greater populace gets nervous, and economic decline is apparent, they will look for relief from just such a man or maybe now, a woman. It’s a golden opportunity, and I would bet that the probable person nows sees the path.

If the EU has any sense, they will ease the strain or suffer the consequences. Just a thought.


49 posted on 06/27/2012 4:50:17 PM PDT by alarm rider (I took the pledge, I will never vote for another RINO, not now, not ever.)
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