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Official: Battalion commander dead in Fort Bragg shooting
MSNBC ^ | 06/30/2012 | MSNBC

Posted on 06/30/2012 7:39:17 AM PDT by izzatzo

Updated at 7:38 p.m. ET: A soldier is dead and two others injured following a shooting Thursday afternoon at Fort Bragg in North Carolina, according to a statement released by the post. A senior U.S. defense official told NBC News that the deceased victim was a battalion commander.

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What can one do but wonder about what's going on in the Military these days? Is it because these fine folks are stretched/stressed to the limit, or is it another reason?
1 posted on 06/30/2012 7:39:22 AM PDT by izzatzo
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To: izzatzo

Sad...if that was a battalion commander that meant an officer w a rank of Lieutenant Colonel with many years of service


2 posted on 06/30/2012 7:43:14 AM PDT by SeminoleCounty (Sad....George Zimmerman is in jail for rightfully defending himself...while Eric Holder walks free)
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To: izzatzo
Is it because these fine folks are stretched/stressed to the limit, or is it another reason?

There are lots of plausible explanations....drugs,family problems,a "Major Hassan" type of thing,psychiatric trauma (PTSD) and your suggestion just being several of them.

3 posted on 06/30/2012 7:45:24 AM PDT by Gay State Conservative (Bill Ayers Was *Not* "Just Some Guy In The Neighborhood")
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To: izzatzo

Society is going to hell.


4 posted on 06/30/2012 7:50:27 AM PDT by cunning_fish (.)
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To: izzatzo

Prayers for this Commander and the family members undergoing this loss.


5 posted on 06/30/2012 7:50:32 AM PDT by no-to-illegals (Please God, Protect and Bless Our Men and Women in Uniform with Victory. Amen.)
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To: Gay State Conservative
People are flipping out all over. Cannibalism, psychotic episodes. Just yesterday in my city, a guy smashed into a Porsche (badly injuring the driver), then stripped his clothes off, got on top of his car and started singing. Then he carjacked a Prius (must be a liberal, right?) and smashed into two more cars. The world has gone f*****g nuts: http://www.azcentral.com/news/articles/2012/06/29/20120629scottsdale-police-carjacking-leads-crashes-closures-abrk.html
6 posted on 06/30/2012 7:55:21 AM PDT by ponygirl (Be Breitbart.)
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To: izzatzo
http://worstprofessorever.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/02/nothing_to_see_here.jpg

Go back to watching the X-Factor, the Military doesn't need your support or concern.

7 posted on 06/30/2012 7:56:05 AM PDT by KC_Lion (The Supreme Court issued their ruling on Obamacare. Soon, We the People shall issue ours.)
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To: izzatzo
Alleged Fort Bragg shooter faced court martial, discharge, officials say
8 posted on 06/30/2012 7:57:15 AM PDT by DTogo (High time to bring back the Sons of Liberty !!)
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To: no-to-illegals

Amen.


9 posted on 06/30/2012 8:04:03 AM PDT by BlatherNaut
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To: DTogo

I guess he went berserk before he heard about the Stolen Valor ruling.

So what if he was tossed out. He could have just lied about it.


10 posted on 06/30/2012 8:12:24 AM PDT by BlatherNaut
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To: SeminoleCounty

Yea, thank God is wasn’t a low life enlisted man.


11 posted on 06/30/2012 8:12:42 AM PDT by jstaff
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To: DTogo

Eight years service, facing dishonorable discharge makes this another workplace killing. That’s not hard to believe given how many disturbed individuals chose to go out this way, taking the boss or others with him.


13 posted on 06/30/2012 8:20:49 AM PDT by JimSEA
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To: izzatzo

http://www.fayobserver.com/articles/2012/06/30/1187926?sac=fo.local

Lt. Col. Roy L. Tisdale died immediately after being struck by a bullet fired from the gun of one of his own soldiers, Fort Bragg officials said this morning.


14 posted on 06/30/2012 8:41:37 AM PDT by baileybat
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To: ponygirl

***People are flipping out all over. Cannibalism, psychotic episodes. Just yesterday in my city,.....***

And three days ago a US Supreme Court Justice declared Obamacare constituional.

****The world has gone f*****g nuts:****


15 posted on 06/30/2012 8:44:47 AM PDT by Ruy Dias de Bivar (I LIKE ART! Click my name. See my web page.)
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To: izzatzo
For those of us who begrudge NBC, MSNBC, or any of their bastard brethren the hits, here is a link to an article in Stars and Stripes:

http://www.stripes.com/news/army/officer-killed-in-thursday-fort-bragg-shooting-identified-1.181750

16 posted on 06/30/2012 9:07:20 AM PDT by katana (Just my opinions)
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To: izzatzo

When you have the leadership of the military using the armed forces to install the radical Islamic enemy into power within the US government and throughout the world, that might be a tad confusing to US soldiers.

Political correctness is immoral, dishonest, dishonorable and disloyal at it’s core. It fosters tribal divisions and scapegoats. The leadership of this country gives the impression they are playing around with soldier’s lives and well being in a sadistic anti-American horror movie.

According to p.c. this is no more than a workplace accident. Human life is an evolutionary accident.


17 posted on 06/30/2012 9:20:09 AM PDT by SaraJohnson
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To: KC_Lion

I hope that I am “mis-reading” your attempt at humor, which I feel is both unwanted and unwarranted.

Many of our troops have faced multiple deployments (in some cases 8-9 over the years), and are suffering tremendously because of it.

PTSD is under-reported or mis-diagnosed, family break-ups, the combat loss of close friends and even family members, DUIs and unforeseen flashes of violence due to the ongoing and unproductive wars the US is waging, all of these things add up over time and have had a negative effect on a lot who have served.

I am a retired career NCO in the US Army and the proud parent of an outstanding officer in the Army Reserves who has multiple deployments under his belt. He has seen the negative results of these missions overseas, up close and personal, and I can only hope that he, or others, will NOT become victims like this due to this society’s lack of concern and commitment to our troops.

If it turns out I am mis-reading your intentions, please accept my humble apology, I needed to get it off of my chest when I saw your cartoon.

*off my soapbox*


18 posted on 06/30/2012 9:39:03 AM PDT by NCDragon (If you can't stand behind the troops, try standing in front of them!)
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To: moovova
You are an ass.
19 posted on 06/30/2012 9:52:37 AM PDT by starlifter (Pullum sapit)
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To: izzatzo
Is it because these fine folks are stretched/stressed to the limit, or is it another reason?

The culture of the armed forces is becoming confused, watered-down, muddled. The pressure of high standards, conformity and discipline can be managed if the culture is unified from top to bottom, and everyone recognizes it.

Now the armed forces culture is being changed, not only will lower standards need to be accepted, but many "diverse" parts will now not fit together, at least under the previous high pressure and discipline culture of the US Armed Forces. it will, in extremes, lead to more cases like this one.

20 posted on 06/30/2012 9:53:59 AM PDT by PGR88
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To: katana

http://www2.nbc17.com/news/2012/jun/29/nbc-news-ft-bragg-shooter-was-facing-court-martial-ar-2395969/
The other soldiers involved in the shooting have not been identified. NBC News reported that the soldier accused of shooting and killing his commander faced court martial and possible discharge due to criminal charges.

NBC News, citing U.S. military officials, said the shooter shot his battalion commander and firing three shots to the head and two shots to the chest before turning the gun on himself. The shooter is not expected to survive, according to NBC News.

The shooting happened around 3:30 p.m. at the corner of Letterman and Armistead streets. A third soldier was slightly wounded in the incident.


21 posted on 06/30/2012 10:03:08 AM PDT by baileybat
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To: NCDragon

I was a wreck after spending a year in VN...I hate to think

Of having to keep going back again and again.I could’t have

Handled it I don’t think

Civilians don’t understand the stress in puts on the troops

Thank you for your long service Sgt


22 posted on 06/30/2012 10:08:34 AM PDT by Harold Shea (RVN `70 - `71)
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To: izzatzo

The multiple deployments are a major issue, there is more going on too. According to some friends in the Army there is a huge shift going on right now away from promoting “combat” Officers/NCOs to promoting and giving good assignments to those that grabbed schools, avoided deployments, and kissed butt since 9/11. Leadership is now more concerned with grooming standards, classes, non-combat issues- even in a combat zone. Soldiers who have excelled in combat are now being given the short end of the stick.

It is bad enough that our combat soldiers have been deployed over and over- stressed out, marriages and other relationships falling apart from the strain. Now they are being treated as though their sacrifices have been for nothing.


23 posted on 06/30/2012 10:35:22 AM PDT by Tammy8 (~Secure the border and deport all illegals- do it now! ~ Support our Troops!~)
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To: NCDragon
Your making my point for me.

When you look at the people in a public place at say Walmart, do you get the feeling that they care about the troops? How the war affects their lives or how the average day concerns of Citizen USA compares to what happens over in Kandahar?

Or how about the Illegal's who stream in to this country to take advantage of it, do you think they care about this shooting?

Or even our god King Barak Hussein Ubama II or Chief Justice Roberts-Do you think they consider what happened in the Second Battle of Fallujah and how it effected the Men who were there?

I wasn't trying to offend anyone, just the lack of caring for this and The Fort Hood shooting which was swept under the rug for obvious reasons.

24 posted on 06/30/2012 10:42:42 AM PDT by KC_Lion (The Supreme Court issued their ruling on Obamacare. Soon, We the People shall issue ours.)
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To: starlifter

“You are an ass.”

Yep...sometimes...

But, you’re just stupid if you don’t think that’s a possibility in today’s military.


25 posted on 06/30/2012 10:49:52 AM PDT by moovova (Arrogance is believing that God needs an assistant (us).)
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To: SaraJohnson
As quoted by somebody in the past, PC is intellectual AIDS; everthing it touches it sickens and kills.

The gay issue along with the military being feminized and emasculated also has to be in play.

Also noted is the increase of suicides.

26 posted on 06/30/2012 10:50:01 AM PDT by QT3.14 (Electile Dysfunction...inability to become aroused over any of the choices for president)
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To: izzatzo
...525th Battlefield Surveillance Brigade, which is a reconnaissance and intelligence unit, according to its Facebook page.

According to Facebook? That's some quality reporting there.

27 posted on 06/30/2012 10:54:32 AM PDT by Half Vast Conspiracy (I made a prank call...pretended I was a mime.)
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To: SeminoleCounty
Looking at a photo of him, he already bled for his country (Purple Heart).

Gets wounded overseas only to return to the states where he gets killed.

(Odd that no details of the shooter are provided. Using MSM guidelines this usually means the shooter is likely a ROP member and/or a minority. We may be wrong.)

Prayers for him, his family and his men.

28 posted on 06/30/2012 12:08:41 PM PDT by Hulka
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To: moovova; starlifter

You are still an ass.

To cast aspersions absent any indications of fact, to insult the honor, dignity and integrity of this man is to spit on his selfless record of service and assault his character.

To infer without a shred of fact or indication is to attack his reputation as an honorable married man and dedicated father.

To wildly throw out the “possible” as justification is to act irrationally and childishly. Your remarks also reveal your true feeling (not thoughts) towards those who serve and sacrifice. . .to include their family.

Using your “logic,” all servicemen who serve (and those that die) are “possible” homosexuals. Are you sure you are not a member of the Westboro Baptist Church?

You can:
a) provide a snarky reply in a childish effort to defend your remarks and prove to the world you are an immature juvenile ass or
b) agree your post was uncalled for and in error.

I’m betting you will select option “a” and prove me right.


29 posted on 06/30/2012 12:30:53 PM PDT by Hulka
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To: Tammy8
According to some friends in the Army there is a huge shift going on right now away from promoting “combat” Officers/NCOs to promoting and giving good assignments to those that grabbed schools, avoided deployments, and kissed butt since 9/11.

Those who take the challenging combat assignments are accused of "hiding behind a rucksack". The REMF's and boot-wigglers generally get promotions because they put themselves in a position to rub elbows with others occupying safe, cozy positions in a "command". I once had the displeasure of sitting in a one hour long class on "How to Attain the Rank of SGM in less than 20 years". The speakers' presentation had only allocated 18-24 months of team time, the rest was staff time.

30 posted on 06/30/2012 12:34:18 PM PDT by Sarajevo (Ever notice that when a beggar gets a donation, they immediately put their hand out for more.)
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To: SaraJohnson

“...or is it another reason?”

Agreed, the Services are/have been a laboratory for social experimentation, my initial thought was that this was a result of one of those experiments having gone awry, but maybe not. Actually, I can handle this scenario better than I could one that resulted from social experimenting with the services, but no scenario with this result is acceptable.


31 posted on 06/30/2012 12:40:20 PM PDT by izzatzo (Just beat Obama.)
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To: PGR88

“...confused, watered-down, muddled.”

That’s what concerns me and caused me to speculate that this incident might have been a result of recent changes/events, all unacceptable, IMHO.


32 posted on 06/30/2012 12:49:33 PM PDT by izzatzo (Just beat Obama.)
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To: Hulka

You’re wrong.


33 posted on 06/30/2012 1:03:18 PM PDT by moovova (Arrogance is believing that God needs an assistant (us).)
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To: izzatzo

No name or photo of the alleged shooter, just the fact that he served for eight years, worked in the motor pool and is accused of theft.

I don’t know what we can glean from this.

No name or photo? That usually indicates that the alleged perpetrator belongs to some special, protected class. Now what kind of name would the brass—especially under President Bobo—NOT want associated with such an act? Hmmm...


34 posted on 06/30/2012 3:43:11 PM PDT by Jeff Chandler (I miss Harriet Miers.)
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To: Jeff Chandler
More info:

Other soldiers rushed the shooter, who was shot in the head in the ensuing struggle and critically wounded

Accidentally, I'm sure.

Officials said the shooter had been an Army specialist for 8 years ... . That specialist had also been a member of the security detail in Afghanistan for the officer killed Thursday.

Maybe he didn't actually work in the motor pool. How are people selected for security details? I mean what particular skills are needed for security details in Afghanistan?

35 posted on 06/30/2012 3:56:07 PM PDT by Jeff Chandler (I miss Harriet Miers.)
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To: Jeff Chandler

We are on the same page.


36 posted on 06/30/2012 4:21:01 PM PDT by izzatzo (Just beat Obama.)
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To: izzatzo

Linguist? Subject Matter Expert?


37 posted on 06/30/2012 4:22:36 PM PDT by Jeff Chandler (I miss Harriet Miers.)
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To: katana
Thanks katana. Will use your link.
38 posted on 07/01/2012 8:03:18 AM PDT by no-to-illegals (Please God, Protect and Bless Our Men and Women in Uniform with Victory. Amen.)
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To: izzatzo
Fort Bragg shooter ID'ed as :
Spc. Ricky G. Elder, 27, of Hutchinson, Kan., died Saturday at Cape Fear Valley Medical Center, a nursing supervisor at the hospital confirmed to the Fayetteville (N.C.) Observer.

Elder was facing court-martial for larceny charges after he allegedly stole a $1,700 toolkit at Fort Bragg, military officials said.

Elder's lawyer, Les Hulnick, of Wichita, Kan., told the Observer his client had a pending court case in Kansas. Elder had pleaded guilty to a felony charge of aggravated battery for punching a woman in the face at a bar. Hulnick said Elder was due in Reno County court in Kansas Friday for his sentencing hearing.

Sounds like somebody who should never have been accepted into the Army in the first place.

Ricky Elder from high school yearbook.

39 posted on 07/01/2012 8:14:13 AM PDT by PapaBear3625 (If I can't be persuasive, I at least hope to be fun.)
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To: Hulka; moovova
Thanks Hulka. You tried.

moovova, here is another one that believes your post was uncalled for. Am praying you are long gone by the time this goes to the screen. If you are still here, by all I believe your post was uncalled for and you should make an apology. If you are not here, the powers that be made the correct decision.

40 posted on 07/01/2012 8:15:26 AM PDT by no-to-illegals (Please God, Protect and Bless Our Men and Women in Uniform with Victory. Amen.)
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To: PapaBear3625
Thanks PapaBear. Good starting locals to find more info.
41 posted on 07/01/2012 8:19:27 AM PDT by no-to-illegals (Please God, Protect and Bless Our Men and Women in Uniform with Victory. Amen.)
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To: Sarajevo
hiding behind a rucksack

WOW! I don't even know what to say about that, mega-fail on the part of those with that attitude. Imagine that all along I thought combat was the whole reason for the military.

42 posted on 07/01/2012 2:49:36 PM PDT by Tammy8 (~Secure the border and deport all illegals- do it now! ~ Support our Troops!~)
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To: Tammy8
Imagine that all along I thought combat was the whole reason for the military.

[snicker]....Yeah, I thought so too, until a SGM told me that I was a "dinosaur". I was "old Army, old SF".

That was about 3 years before I retired in '99. Clinton's were still in office, and PC in the military ran amok.

PS- I'm not snickering at you, just the fact that we both took for granted the military was supposed to cause death and destruction, but in reality others thought differently.

43 posted on 07/01/2012 7:33:34 PM PDT by Sarajevo (Don't think for a minute that this excuse for a President has America's best interest in mind.)
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To: Sarajevo

Hubby says they did the same thing after Vietnam, tossed aside good and even great combat soldiers.

The Obama Administration has to convince the left that he has stopped the wars before the election. Our new “peace time” military will likely be cut further than ever in spite of issues with Iran, terrorism, etc. We will likely lose the best of the best as they will not tolerate the direction the military is headed.

This country never seems to learn the lessons it needs to learn so we keep repeating mistakes of the past.

Thank you for your service, there are many that do appreciate our military.


44 posted on 07/01/2012 8:04:32 PM PDT by Tammy8 (~Secure the border and deport all illegals- do it now! ~ Support our Troops!~)
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To: Sarajevo

Yes yes yes. It sucks to see this happen. Office dwellers who don’t go anywhere, get dirty, do PT, etc = LOL! Another promotion? vs Grunty type, up in the morning, boots on the ground = combat arms loser! Get a degree, dummy!

http://fortbragg.patch.com/articles/fort-bragg-soldier-responsible-for-thursday-s-shooting-has-died-in-hospital#comments_list

People here commenting the shooter was a great guy.


45 posted on 07/02/2012 6:28:11 AM PDT by baileybat
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To: no-to-illegals

Thanks.


46 posted on 07/02/2012 10:39:48 AM PDT by Hulka
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To: baileybat
Get a degree, dummy!

I was too busy hiding behind a rucksack whiel in the military. After I retired in '99, I was too selling my skill set and making a lot of money overseas. Now, I'm retired for the second time..........all without a degree.

47 posted on 07/03/2012 2:09:13 PM PDT by Sarajevo (Don't think for a minute that this excuse for a President has America's best interest in mind.)
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To: Sarajevo

I know- my husband still get dirty, and has to get up and do PT most mornings. We don’t see our extended families very often, and they always marvel that he looks young for his age because he still has to be uber physical and stay in shape...

He wants to go overseas as a civilian and make some money. He has one more list to wait on this summer, and if isn’t on it, off we go.

Not to be rude, but alot-not all, but alot- of the degrees people get while in service are from diploma mills. Enlisted folks I am talking about- not the officers. He could buy a degree and have it placed in his file, but alot of the institutions that claim to get you a degree aren’t accredited.

I doubt my husband will ever have a degree, but if he can use what he has learned in the military to go overseas like you did, we will be good.


48 posted on 07/03/2012 7:28:03 PM PDT by baileybat
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To: moovova

What do you know about today’s military? Or yesterdays, for that matter?

The shooter was a thief who was going down due to his own mistakes. He took the guy who was in charge of his court martial with him.

Try to get with the program. Gays are in the military, but they are more visible amongst the REMFs and soft MOSes. I have a feeling combat arms and combat arms support units will not have a heavy infestation of sodomites. The job these types of units do is too dangerous, dirty, and non-glamorous for most-not all, but most, gay men.

Fort Bragg has the best warriors in the world. All business, fast tempo, quick deploying units full of high speed low drag heroes that would kick your a@@ and keep on movin’ to do their job- which would be killing the enemy.

While the keyboard smarta@@ talks sh$& about them. Congrats, and thanks for your input. It really adds alot to this discussion.


49 posted on 07/03/2012 7:38:33 PM PDT by baileybat
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To: baileybat

” What do you know about today’s military? Or yesterdays, for that matter?”

In answer to your questions... I’m a US Navy veteran. I also have a son-in-law in the Army. As a matter a fact...I’ll be at Ft Bragg tomorrow celebrating the Fourth with my daughter and SIL.

I’m VERY proud of our military...but I am extremely upset with the leadership of this country as they weaken and destroy our fighting forces. The PC crowd is slowly sucking the life energy from the very people that have offered their lives to protect our liberty. I get tears in my eyes every time I visit the Vietnam War Memorial. That’s how much I care.

My initial comment was provocative...as evidenced by the return comments from a few unhinged individuals. While my comment was not the only derogatory comment in the thread, mine was the only one that obliquely refered to the recent change in the DADT policy. And, I struck a few nerves. I should probably of used a /sarc tag at the end. No disrespect was meant to the officer that died. I mourn his loss.

I will assume your comments..” While the keyboard smarta@@ talks sh$& about them. Congrats, and thanks for your input. It really adds alot to this discussion.”...weren’t meant in a derogatory way.

If you still think I am not “with the program”...I don’t know what else to tell you.


50 posted on 07/03/2012 9:22:14 PM PDT by moovova
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