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Rupert Murdoch: Scientologists ‘creepy, maybe even evil’
Yahoo! News ^ | July 1, 2012 | Dylan Stableford

Posted on 07/02/2012 12:15:11 AM PDT by monkapotamus

Edited on 07/02/2012 12:51:57 AM PDT by Admin Moderator. [history]

Rupert Murdoch, New Corp. chief executive... took to Twitter on Sunday to weigh in on the breakup of Tom Cruise and Katie Holmes.

"Scientology back in news," Murdoch tweeted. "Very weird cult, but big, big money involved with Tom Cruise either number two or three in [hierarchy]."


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TOPICS: Business/Economy; Culture/Society; Extended News; News/Current Events; Philosophy
KEYWORDS: rupertmurdoch; scientology; tomcruise

1 posted on 07/02/2012 12:15:28 AM PDT by monkapotamus
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To: monkapotamus

I concur, but obviously I’m not ‘clear’.


2 posted on 07/02/2012 12:37:13 AM PDT by Gene Eric (Your Hope has been redistributed. Here's your damn Change!)
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To: monkapotamus

This was the same interview, I believe, where Murdock said, Romney would lose to Obama with this present campaign team, that Romney has gone dormant, missing in action, and makes no news on anything and has nothing to say.

He says this after his FOX News team has broken glass and then crawled through it on hands and knees to promote the unpromotable Romney. Good grief.

Which of these two no-contrast presidential candidates has the best chance to break the tie and get over 50% on election day? Will the voters elect the real thing, or the incubous of the real thing?


3 posted on 07/02/2012 12:37:44 AM PDT by RitaOK (NO ROMNEY, NO COMPROMISE. NO WAY. NO HOW. NOT NOW. NOT EVER.)
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To: monkapotamus

I don’t know if I would go so far as to say evil, but they are definitely on the weird side.

Having said that, everyone’s theology is weird to someone else.


4 posted on 07/02/2012 12:38:08 AM PDT by Ronin (Dumb, dependent and Democrat is no way to go through life - Rep. L. Gohmert, Tex)
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To: RitaOK
>"Will the voters elect the real thing, or the incubous of the real thing?"

Which one is the real thing? Obama, or Albinobama? Cause Albinobama actually came first.

5 posted on 07/02/2012 1:43:14 AM PDT by rawcatslyentist ("Behold, I am against you, O arrogant one," Jeremiah 50:31)
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To: monkapotamus

I can’t stand the thought of Dumbo being president for another 4 more years.


6 posted on 07/02/2012 2:11:29 AM PDT by dragonblustar (Allah Ain't So Akbar!)
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To: Ronin; null and void; RummyChick
I don’t know if I would go so far as to say evil, but they are definitely on the weird side.

The rank-and-file are often weird. The guys at the top are evil.

Some stories from the inside:

Ex Scientology Kids

Counterfeit Dreams

7 posted on 07/02/2012 2:29:17 AM PDT by PapaBear3625 (If I can't be persuasive, I at least hope to be fun.)
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To: monkapotamus
After a user asked Murdoch for his thoughts on Mormonism, he responded: "Mormonism a mystery to me, but Mormons certainly not evil."
This conversation happened on Twitter? You can direct a question to a person on Twitter? I thought Twitter was only a sort of broadcast type posting where people can "follow" you but you can't "ping" individuals, like you can here on FR.

Am I wrong?

8 posted on 07/02/2012 2:44:14 AM PDT by samtheman (The Trillion Dollar ObamaCareTax definitely is a tax; just ask the US Supreme Court.)
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To: RitaOK
Which of these two no-contrast presidential candidates has the best chance to break the tie and get over 50% on election day? Will the voters elect the real thing, or the incubous of the real thing?

So Rita, would you be so kind as to enlighten us not as "informed," "erudite," or "clairvoyant" as you and your HATE Mittens/Mormosn Ilk are as which of the 2 is the "REAL THING?"

While you are at it and though in all honesty (as a Catholic) I know very little about Mormonism (and quite a bit about Islam) would you care to enter into a debate about which of the 2 is more of a "THREAT" and "DANGER" to our Republic?

As we know for a fact that Romney is a Mormon and though we are not certain that Dear Leader is a Muslim, we also know he defends, excuses, appeases and in some instances, support the "Religion of Pieces" as well as the Muslim Brotherhood, including personally recruiting and appointing as advisers and confidants many who have ties to the Ikhwan.

While you are at it, how's about providing us poor, ignorant Patriots, ANYTHING which shows Mitt (or ANY Mormon) advocating the overthrow of our Republic and replacing our Constitution with the "Book of Mormons?"

Take your time as I imagine this ol' saw will become evident: "The difficult takes some time; the impossible, a little longer!"

BRITAIN G20 PALACE

“I will stand with the Muslims should the political winds shift in an ugly direction.”

from page 261 of the paperback edition of “The Audacity of Hope.

All it takes for .....

capt.photo_1245188299465-1-0 obama-rip-constitution

.....EVIL....

..... to triumph is for good men to do nothing.......!"

FAIR WARNING: America's Enemies Within

"A nation can survive its fools, even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within.

An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves against those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself.

For the traitor appears not a traitor; he speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their arguments, he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men.

He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murderer is less to fear." ...

Roman statesman and political theorist Marcus

9 posted on 07/02/2012 3:23:52 AM PDT by Conservative Vermont Vet
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To: monkapotamus

I hope it’s OK to post this. If not hopefully the moderator will take care of it.

It’s a clip of a Boston Legal segment concerning Scientology that was hilarious.

http://m.youtube.com/#/watch?desktop_uri=%2Fwatch%3Fv%3Dvr3DwrPNA6g&v=vr3DwrPNA6g&gl=US

Scientology may or may not be evil, but it’s certainly full of wackadoos and the fact that so many in Hollywood are involved makes me nervous just in of itself.


10 posted on 07/02/2012 3:24:36 AM PDT by Carbonsteel
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To: Carbonsteel

To tell the truth, I’ve always thought Tom Cruise was kind of creepy...


11 posted on 07/02/2012 3:47:18 AM PDT by Ronin (Dumb, dependent and Democrat is no way to go through life - Rep. L. Gohmert, Tex)
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To: samtheman

You’re ‘kinda’ wrong.

You don’t ‘ping’ people on twitter..

You post directly to them ala @twitterperson... and you can end up in a two way conversation.. (actually, more than just two-way depending upon how many people decide to participate.

Twitter is an open book...


12 posted on 07/02/2012 4:21:34 AM PDT by Bigh4u2 (Denial is the first requirement to be a liberal)
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To: monkapotamus

Hey, Rupert. You hired one of them and put her on Fox every night.


13 posted on 07/02/2012 5:18:25 AM PDT by chopperman
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To: Bigh4u2

Thanks.

Let me ask you this, if I have a twitter account and you have a twitter account (with the same name as your freeper account) and I post a tweet like this:

@bigh4u2, I notice you are also on FR

Will you see that post whether or not you have chosen to “follow me”?

Thanks again.


14 posted on 07/02/2012 5:21:21 AM PDT by samtheman (The Trillion Dollar ObamaCareTax definitely is a tax; just ask the US Supreme Court.)
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To: Ronin

L (lying) Ron Hubbard’s Scientology is that of an psychology org which was and is only a means to an end - their bank account.

“After speaking for about an hour at the meeting, Mr. Hubbard answered questions from the audience. He made the following statement in response to a question about making money from writing: `You don’t get rich writing science fiction. If you want to get rich, you start a religion.’” - Sam Moskowitz, 1994 affidavit on Nov 1948 meeting of the Eastern Science Fiction Association

“Whenever he was talking about being hard up he often used to say that he thought the easiest way to make money would be to start a religion.” - — reporter Neison Himmel: quoted in Bare Faced Messiah p.117 from 1986 interview. Himmel shared a room with LRH, briefly, Pasadena, fall 1945.

“I always knew he was exceedingly anxious to hit big money - he used to say he thought the best way to do it would be to start a cult.” - — Sam Merwin, then the editor of the Thrilling SF magazines: quoted in Bare Faced Messiah p.133 from 1986 interview. Winter of 1946/47.

Scientology is the closest thing to a religious mafia the last century ever saw.

L. Ron Hubbard is reverenced as god by Scientology, which is very very deceptive organization that puts on a front of philanthropy and religion and uses certain celebrities to PR it’s image, while engaging in extreme deception, greed and unfeeling ruthlessness which reveals it’s true nature.

Below are just a few of Hubbard’s unholy “Beastly-attitudes”:

“Show me any person who is critical of us and I’ll show you crimes and intended crimes that would stand a magistrate’s hair on end.” - L. Ron Hubbard, Hubbard Communications Office Bulletin, 4 April 1965

“Somebody some day will say ‘this is illegal.’ By then be sure the orgs [Scientology organizations] say what is legal or not.”- L. Ron Hubbard, Hubbard Communications Office Policy Letter, 4 January 1966, “LRH Relationship to Orgs”

“If attacked on some vulnerable point by anyone or anything or any organization, always find or manufacture enough threat against them to cause them to sue for peace.” - L. Ron Hubbard, Hubbard Communications Office Policy Letter, 15 August 1960, Dept. of Govt. Affairs

“The purpose of the suit is to harass and discourage rather than to win. The law can be used very easily to harass, and enough harassment on somebody who is simply on the thin edge anyway, well knowing that
he is not authorized, will generally be sufficient to cause his professional decease. If possible, of course, ruin him utterly.”- L. Ron Hubbard, A Manual on the dissemination of material, 1955

“When we need somebody haunted we investigate...When we investigate we do so noisily always.”- L. Ron Hubbard, MANUAL OF JUSTICE, 1959

“So we listen. We add up associations of people with people. When a push against Scientology starts somewhere, we go over the people involved and weed them out. Push vanishes.” - L. Ron Hubbard, Manual of justice, 1959

“A truly Suppressive Person or group has no rights of any kind and actions taken against them are not punishable.” - L. Ron Hubbard, Hubbard Communications Office Policy Letter, 1 March 1965, HCO (Division 1) “Ethics, Suppressive Acts, Suppression of Scientology and Scientologists”

Under Operation Snow White, “Scientology operatives committed infiltration, wiretapping, and theft of documents in government offices, most notably those of the U.S. Internal Revenue Service. Eleven highly-placed Church executives, including Mary Sue Hubbard (wife of founder L. Ron Hubbard and second in command of the organization), pled guilty or were convicted in federal court of obstructing justice, burglary of government offices, and theft of documents and government property. The case was United States vs. Mary Sue Hubbard et al., 493 F. Supp. 209 (D.D.C. 1979).” http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Snow_White

Scientology is evil; its techniques are evil; its practice is a serious threat to the community, medically, morally, and socially; and its adherents are sadly deluded and often mentally ill… (Scientology is) the world’s largest organization of unqualified persons engaged in the practice of dangerous techniques which masquerade as mental therapy.” – Justice Anderson, Supreme Court of Victoria, Australia

The organization clearly is schizophrenic and paranoid, and this bizarre combination seems to be a reflection of its founder, L. Ron Hubbard. — Judge Breckenridge, U.S.

Scientology is both immoral and socially obnoxious ... it is corrupt, sinister and dangerous. It is corrupt because it is based upon lies and deceit and has as its real objective money and power for Mr. Hubbard.... It is sinister because it indulges in infamous practices both to its adherents who do not toe the line unquestioningly and to those who criticize or oppose it. It is dangerous because it is out to capture people, and to indoctrinate and brainwash them so that they become the unquestioning captives and tools of the cult, withdrawn from ordinary thought, living and relationships with others. — Justice Latey, ruling in the High Court of London, 1984

The Government is satisfied ... that scientology is socially harmful. It alienates members of families from each other and attributes squalid and disgraceful motives to all who oppose it; its authoritarian principles and practice are a potential menace to the personality and well-being of those so deluded as to become its followers; above all, its methods can be a serious danger to the health of those who submit to them....

There is no power under existing law to prohibit the practice of scientology; but the Government has concluded that it is so objectionable that it would be right to take all steps within its power to curb its growth. — Kenneth Robinson, British Minister of Health

Part of a Federal Indictment against Scientology for Conspiracy against the Federal Government of the United States:

“The crime committed by these defendants is of a breadth and scope previously unheard of. No building, office, desk, or file was safe from their snooping and prying. No individual or organization was free from their despicable conspiratorial minds. The tools of their trade were miniature transmitters, lock picks, secret codes, forged credentials and any other device they found necessary to carry out their conspiratorial schemes.”
–Federal prosecutor’s memorandum to the judge urging stiff jail sentences for 9 top leaders of Scientology who had pleaded guilty to criminal charges

The court record is] replete with evidence [that Scientology] is nothing in reality but a vast enterprise to extract the maximum amount of money from its adepts by pseudo scientific theories… and to exercise a kind of blackmail against persons who do not wish to continue with their sect…. The organization clearly is schizophrenic and paranoid, and this bizarre combination seems to be a reflection of its founder, L.Ron Hubbard.” – Judge Breckenridge, Los Angeles Superior Court

See more court quotes: http://www.factnet.org/Scientology/crtquot.htm

Here is more on them (some links may be dead, and i cannot sanction all a site may believe):
  http://www.christianindex.org/1468.article
http://www.watchman.org/profile/sientpro.htm
http://www.watchman.org/sci/historyofterror.htm
http://www.believersweb.org/view.cfm?ID=607
http://www.clambake.org/
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Scandal_of_Scientology
http://www.factnet.org/Scientology/scirelg.htm
http://www-2.cs.cmu.edu/~dst/Library/Shelf/cooper/sos.html
http://www.apologeticsindex.org/cpoint7
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aoASMyv9Cek
http://www.xenutv.com/
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-5694888509800082473&ei=fmJpSe-EIY6cqALgzqndBw&q=scientology+video&hl=en
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Scandal_of_Scientology
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Freakout
http://www.xenu.net/


15 posted on 07/02/2012 5:31:19 AM PDT by daniel1212 (Come to the Lord Jesus as a damned+morally destitute sinner,+trust Him to save you, then live 4 Him)
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To: Carbonsteel

When i clk on rtsp://v5.cache2.c.youtube.com/CjYLENy73wIaLQkU5I0HPbJcxhMYDSANFEIJbXYtZ29vZ2xlSARSBXdhdGNoYJqa8dSGvKOmSww=/0/0/0/video.3gp, i get an error, Firefox doesn’t know how to open this address, because the protocol (rtsp) isn’t associated with any program


16 posted on 07/02/2012 5:35:52 AM PDT by daniel1212 (Come to the Lord Jesus as a damned+morally destitute sinner,+trust Him to save you, then live 4 Him)
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To: samtheman

“Will you see that post whether or not you have chosen to “follow me”?”

Any post directed at you via (@bigh4u)(your name of course) you will see.


17 posted on 07/02/2012 5:46:29 AM PDT by Bigh4u2 (Denial is the first requirement to be a liberal)
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To: Bigh4u2

That’s interesting. I didn’t know that. It makes me want to get a twitter account, so I can send FR links to Hannity and other Fox News people. I know it will be a snowflake in a blizzard, but I’d like to join that blizzard.

Thanks again.


18 posted on 07/02/2012 5:49:32 AM PDT by samtheman (The Trillion Dollar ObamaCareTax definitely is a tax; just ask the US Supreme Court.)
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To: Ronin

To tell the truth, I’ve always thought Tom Cruise was kind of creepy...
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I never understood Tom Cruise ,, definately weak minded and has plenty of money so you can bet the scientologists targeted him .. they’re all about money ... Tom Cruise didn’t really learn to read until he made that bad NASCAR movie years ago .. just another brainless Hollywood pretty face.


19 posted on 07/02/2012 5:50:13 AM PDT by Neidermeyer
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To: Carbonsteel

Never mind. I copied the url and went to Vlc player>Media>open from clipboard, and it worked, but saw nothing about Scientology


20 posted on 07/02/2012 5:52:55 AM PDT by daniel1212 (Come to the Lord Jesus as a damned+morally destitute sinner,+trust Him to save you, then live 4 Him)
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To: PapaBear3625

Definitely Evil.

As we discussed on another thread.... Katie was worried about the Sea Org..

http://www.tmz.com/2012/07/02/tom-cruise-katie-holmes-divorce-suri-scientology-sea-org/

Of course, Suri would not be put in a chain locker as a celebrity kid...unlike the poor little 5 year old deaf mute who couldn’t write her name and was ordered into until she wrote her name.


21 posted on 07/02/2012 6:04:19 AM PDT by RummyChick
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To: RummyChick

http://www.holysmoke.org/cos/mcmaster.htm

“He witnessed the imprisonment of a terrified 4-year-old in the Sea Org’s dark, filthy, rat- infested chain locker for the “Ethics offense” of chewing one of Hubbard’s papers. Such imprisonment became a common form of staff punishment. “Overboarding” was instituted, with “out-ethics” staff being forcibly thrown into the ocean. McMaster was overboarded several times, the last time being left struggling in the water with a broken collarbone for 3 hours. According to McMaster, in some orgs with no chain locker or overboarding facilities, the offender’s head is shoved into a toilet bowl, which is then flushed. “


22 posted on 07/02/2012 6:05:46 AM PDT by RummyChick
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To: RummyChick

How Katie was cast to play Tom Cruise’s wife

http://www.nypost.com/p/entertainment/best_supporting_actress_REdKcnpi4xPjBFGO4Yjp4M/0


23 posted on 07/02/2012 6:12:17 AM PDT by RummyChick
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To: RummyChick
http://www.tmz.com/2012/07/01/katie-holmes-tom-cruise-divorce-scientology/

katie being followed
Scientology denies it.
this looks like something they would pull

24 posted on 07/02/2012 6:14:33 AM PDT by RummyChick
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To: monkapotamus
SCIENTOLOGY-A “RELIGIOUS” MAFIA (PDF tract form: use legal sized paper)
25 posted on 07/02/2012 6:26:06 AM PDT by daniel1212 (Come to the Lord Jesus as a damned+morally destitute sinner,+trust Him to save you, then live 4 Him)
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To: daniel1212

The Taiwan animators have hit a home run on this one

https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=txdulbqICJQ


26 posted on 07/02/2012 6:28:48 AM PDT by RummyChick
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To: RummyChick

http://blogs.villagevoice.com/runninscared/2012/07/tom_cruise_scientology_marty_rathbun.php

Who knew that Joey from Dawson’s Creek would eventually be the one that could bring down Scientology...LOLOL


27 posted on 07/02/2012 6:31:49 AM PDT by RummyChick
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To: RummyChick



Yes this is Katie


28 posted on 07/02/2012 6:38:41 AM PDT by RummyChick
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To: monkapotamus

Rupert Murdoch needing a boogeyman for more circulation?


29 posted on 07/02/2012 8:56:04 AM PDT by GVnana
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To: Conservative Vermont Vet; BlackElk; b9

I resemble that lengthy remark! :)

Except for the following: (and you can quote me)

” Marcus would be equally appalled by good men doing the very same thing, over and over, and expecting different results. “ —RitaOK

I say there, again, it took you 96 percenters complying with this Republican manipulation of your desperation and fear, election after election, to bring us to this state. The sky would surely fall if you resisted.

We may be late, but it’s past time to buck the bridle off my friend.


30 posted on 07/02/2012 9:27:49 AM PDT by RitaOK (NO ROMNEY, NO COMPROMISE. NO WAY. NO HOW. NOT NOW. NOT EVER.)
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To: daniel1212
I just finished reviewing Hubbard's military records (long story short, John Kerry had nothing on Captain Ron when it came to claiming extra credit), following up on a review of some related FBI files I researched some years ago. If I may add an important tidbit to your list on Hubbard and one Jack Parsons, whose infamous mentor Hubbard emulated in his early career (something Hubbard took pains to conceal from about 1952 on, but spoke of often before that):

Parsons saw no contradiction between his scientific and magical pursuits. Before each rocket test launch, Parsons would chant Crowley's hymn to the Greek god Pan.[6] In 1942 Parsons was chosen by Aleister Crowley to lead Agapé Lodge of OTO in California following Crowley's expulsion of Wilfred Smith from the position.[7]

Sara Northrup (aka "Sarah Elizabeth" or "Betty" Northrup), began living with Parsons and Parsons' wife, Sara's half-sister Helen Northrup; later, Parsons and Sara became involved in an affair, which caused strife with Helen and eventually led to Helen leaving with Wilfred Smith.

Parsons' 11-room home, nicknamed "The Parsonage", became a boarding house for a variety of artists and eccentrics, including journalist Nieson Himmel, physicist Robert Cornog, and author and future Scientology founder L. Ron Hubbard. Hubbard became involved with Parsons' mistress Sara Northrup and they would later marry.

Parsons, a science fiction fan, had read in the fantasy pulp magazine Unknown the 1940 original shorter version of Jack Williamson "Darker Than You Think". Parsons had identified the redheaded female love interest of the protagonist with Babalon or the "Scarlet Woman", who Crowley had prophesied would help to fulfill the Aeon of Horus and announce to the world the end of the Aeon of Osiris represented by Christianity and other patriarchal religions and social institutions. In 1946, Parsons and Hubbard (whose works Fear and Typewriter in the Sky, among others, had actually appeared in Unknown) participated in a work of ceremonial magic known as the Babalon Working. In simple terms, the Babalon Working was a ritual to summon this Scarlet Woman. Paul Rydeen writes:

The purpose of Parson's [sic] operation has been underemphasized. He sought to produce a magickal child who would be a product of her environment rather than of her heredity. Crowley himself describes the Moonchild in just these terms. The Babalon Working itself was preparation for what was to come: a Thelemic messiah.[8]

Crowley, who lived in England at this time and had little say over the matter, disagreed strenuously. Though he had never met him, Crowley had no love for Hubbard and considered him a con artist with plans to abscond with Parsons' money and current girlfriend.

. . .to quote one con artist's expert assessment of another.

For more info on this, I'd start with Bent Corydon's Hubbard biography.

31 posted on 07/02/2012 12:55:26 PM PDT by Fedora
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To: GVnana
Ah yes, I remember you. Always defending the cult.
Suri looks more like Tommy Davis than Tom Cruise

32 posted on 07/02/2012 6:07:01 PM PDT by RummyChick
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To: Fedora

Thanks. The Scientologists are no doubt pleased by your work! Broad the way that leads to destruction, but may the deceived followers of these sons of darkness find the Light, as per my tag.


33 posted on 07/02/2012 7:31:17 PM PDT by daniel1212 (Come to the Lord Jesus as a damned+morally destitute sinner,+trust Him to save you, then live 4 Him)
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To: RummyChick
Yeah. You obviously know a lot about me. /sarcasm>

But, with the mess this country is in, it's good to know that people like you are vigilant behind your keyboard doing everything you can to be a duped and ineffectual "voice of the people."

34 posted on 07/03/2012 11:24:40 AM PDT by GVnana
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