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Op-Ed: "Palestine"? Israel Readying to Extend Sovereignty
Arutz Sheva ^ | 3/7/12 | David Singer

Posted on 07/03/2012 2:34:13 PM PDT by Eleutheria5

There is a limit to how long Israel is going to wait for Abbas and this seems an opportune time to take him at his word on the dead negotiations and act independently.

A confluence of events is increasingly pointing to Israel taking action in the very near future to extend its sovereignty over a substantial part - if not all - of the 61% of Judea and Samaria it has totally controlled since 1967 - unless Palestinian Authority President Mahmoud Abbas ends his posturing and submits to considerable loss of face by announcing he is now prepared to resume negotiations with Israel without preconditions of any kind.

Abbas himself only last week declared the negotiating processes begun under the Oslo Accords in 1993 and the Bush Roadmap in 2003 to be "clinically dead" (whatever that means). If he is not prepared to at least try to breathe life into those stalled processes by unconditionally returning to the negotiating table - he will be presiding over the irreversible end of those negotiations. Israel is not going to continue to mark time waiting for Abbas to end his political filibuster.

Abbas's attempts to procure international pressure to be brought to bear on Israel to freeze building activities in the "West Bank" as a condition of resuming such negotiations have failed. He has literally been left to hang out to dry.

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Only one person - President Obama - can possibly resuscitate the negotiations by inducing Israel to impose a building freeze for a limited time in the area or release more prisoners than the thousands it has already.

This would require Obama to grant a pardon to Jonathan Pollard....

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TOPICS: Editorial; Israel; News/Current Events; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: abbas; annex; judahandsamaria; negotiate
Don't do it, Obama. Think how it would hurt your chances of reelection. The Jooos! all hate you anyway (SSSSHHHH!) and are giving less money. Look at all the damage to your approval ratings dealing with the Israeli/Arab conflict has done already. Make a victory tour of Iraq and have a state dinner there instead. Or go down to Egypt and say something in defense of the Copts. That might even get a few Christians to vote for you. Let the piec--I mean peace process die quietly./heh heh heh.
1 posted on 07/03/2012 2:34:21 PM PDT by Eleutheria5
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To: Eleutheria5
I cannot conceive of Israel as whole without all of Judea, especially Hevron. IMHO, the only "way to peace" is to annex it all and send the Palis packing.

How about Mali?

2 posted on 07/03/2012 3:02:09 PM PDT by Carry_Okie (The Slave Party: advancing indenture since 1787.)
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To: Eleutheria5

“Abbas himself only last week declared the negotiating processes begun under the Oslo Accords in 1993 and the Bush Roadmap in 2003 to be “clinically dead” (whatever that means). If he is not prepared to at least try to breathe life into those stalled processes by unconditionally returning to the negotiating table”

The strong delusion of a false peace is still being hoped for, I see.

And it will come to pass; just as prophesied.


3 posted on 07/03/2012 3:05:36 PM PDT by F15Eagle (1 John 5:4-5, 4:15, 5:13; John 3:17-18, 6:69, 11:25, 14:6, 20:31; Rom10:8-11; 1 Tim 2:5; Titus 3:4-5)
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To: F15Eagle

I agree! But the prophecies give Israel 100% of Judea and Samaria (and more). Ready, set...go!


4 posted on 07/03/2012 3:14:06 PM PDT by Former Fetus (Saved by grace through faith)
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To: Carry_Okie

No need to even send them packing. In the End, they will cheerfully leave on their own, and with good wishes all around. In the interim, they do good work in the building trade.


5 posted on 07/03/2012 3:22:05 PM PDT by Eleutheria5 (End the occupation. Annex today.)
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To: F15Eagle

Calling Dr. Kevorkian. Piece process needs to be put out of our misery. Calling Dr. Kevorkian. Emergency piece process termination. Please make sure it’s dead. STAT.


6 posted on 07/03/2012 4:02:29 PM PDT by Eleutheria5 (End the occupation. Annex today.)
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To: F15Eagle

I’ve commented a few times here and other places, but I think it deserves calling attention too repeatedly, for anyone new here or not readily aware,

I believe once they part the land, divide Jerusalem, the events necessary for Joel Ch 3 will be met, (among many other scriptures) its the end of the age,

“For, behold, in those days, and in that time, when I shall bring again the captivity of Judah and Jerusalem,

I will also gather all nations, and will bring them down into the valley of Jehoshaphat, and will plead with them there for my people and for my heritage Israel, whom they have scattered among the nations, and parted my land.”


7 posted on 07/03/2012 4:39:32 PM PDT by captmar-vell
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To: Eleutheria5
The so-called "territories" should have been annexed on their conquest 45 years ago. And there shouldn't be a "palestinian government" in existence.

Remember when these vermin were international pariahs that only the Communists and Third World hell-holes would have anything to do with them? Even American liberals (who claimed for so long to be Israel's sole champions) wanted nothing to do with them. Then someone waved a wand and the "line" changed.

And now Germany (of all countries) has outlawed milah (circumcision) a Divine Commandment given to Abraham, and the only reaction is to invoke the Holocaust and "rights."

I'm so sick and tired of everyone pretending that G-d doesn't exist!

8 posted on 07/03/2012 5:03:47 PM PDT by Zionist Conspirator (Ki-hagoy vehamamlakhah 'asher lo'-ya`avdukh yove'du; vehagoyim charov yecheravu!)
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To: Eleutheria5
In the interim, they do good work in the building trade.

At the cost of how many terrorist attacks. The Israelis would do better to expel the Muslims, and invite the Copts.

9 posted on 07/03/2012 5:08:48 PM PDT by PapaBear3625 (If I can't be persuasive, I at least hope to be fun.)
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To: captmar-vell
I believe once they part the land, divide Jerusalem, the events necessary for Joel Ch 3 will be met, (among many other scriptures) its the end of the age

Yes, Joel talks about those who part the land, but is there a requirement for Jerusalem to be divided before the end of the age?

10 posted on 07/03/2012 5:30:11 PM PDT by Former Fetus (Saved by grace through faith)
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To: Former Fetus
I believe what we're witnessing here is the requirements in Leviticus Ch 25 being applied to the land with the Jubilee, and the day a vengeance per Isaiah Ch 63:4

“For the day of vengeance is in mine heart, and the year of my redeemed is come.”

Walled cities we're not to go out in the Jubilee release, but unwalled cities we're considered part of the country and did go. The land can be redeemed by the rightful owner, providing all of the conditions are met. I believe this is whats happening in Revelation Chapter 4 and 5, it the right of redemption using the very framework and Laws God provided with the Law of Moses which Jesus fulfilled in the flesh. These laws and requirements are being used to redeem all of creation. I further believe its these very ordinances that Satan is trying to overcome, to break the everlasting covenant, (see Isaiah ch 24) likely to prevent this very event from becoming legally possible upon the Earth which he currently has dominion over.

Revelation 16:19, Jerusalem is divided into three parts

Also, earlier Jerusalem is given over to the gentiles for 42 months,

I believe this is why,

there is much more going on here, and we're told much more than most realize, but that doesn't mean I'm right, just my conjecture,

but if so, it also means that the age of the Gentiles is coming to a close.

11 posted on 07/03/2012 6:03:34 PM PDT by captmar-vell
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To: captmar-vell

http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Joel%203:2&version=KJV

Joel 3:2

King James Version (KJV)

2 I will also gather all nations, and will bring them down into the valley of Jehoshaphat, and will plead with them there for my people and for my heritage Israel, whom they have scattered among the nations, and parted my land.

Yes, the Valley of Jehoshaphat is a reference to Armageddon and it will be the result of the false peace deal. Satan deceives the kings of the Earth into the Battle of Armageddon and the rescue of the remnant of Israel is done by Jesus Christ in Revelation 19, which is also seen in Zechariah 14:5.

http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Zechariah%2014:5&version=KJV

Zechariah 14:5

King James Version (KJV)

5 And ye shall flee to the valley of the mountains; for the valley of the mountains shall reach unto Azal: yea, ye shall flee, like as ye fled from before the earthquake in the days of Uzziah king of Judah: and the Lord my God shall come, and all the saints with thee.


12 posted on 07/03/2012 8:15:31 PM PDT by F15Eagle (1 John 5:4-5, 4:15, 5:13; John 3:17-18, 6:69, 11:25, 14:6, 20:31; Rom10:8-11; 1 Tim 2:5; Titus 3:4-5)
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To: captmar-vell

Yes, the Times of the Gentiles is nearing its end.

http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Luke%2021:24&version=KJV

Luke 21:24

King James Version (KJV)

24 And they shall fall by the edge of the sword,
and shall be led away captive into all nations:
and Jerusalem shall be trodden down of the Gentiles,
until the times of the Gentiles be fulfilled.


13 posted on 07/03/2012 8:33:43 PM PDT by F15Eagle (1 John 5:4-5, 4:15, 5:13; John 3:17-18, 6:69, 11:25, 14:6, 20:31; Rom10:8-11; 1 Tim 2:5; Titus 3:4-5)
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To: PapaBear3625

The construction workers are too tired at the end of the day to blow themselves up. If I had my druthers, so would a great many more be.


14 posted on 07/04/2012 12:09:05 AM PDT by Eleutheria5 (End the occupation. Annex today.)
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To: PapaBear3625

expel the Muslims, and invite the Copts

Major Nelson, can we borrow Genie for a bit?


15 posted on 07/04/2012 2:07:22 AM PDT by Eleutheria5 (End the occupation. Annex today.)
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To: Zionist Conspirator

Their actions tend to show that they do believe in G-d and oppose Him.


16 posted on 07/04/2012 2:20:31 AM PDT by Eleutheria5 (End the occupation. Annex today.)
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17 posted on 07/04/2012 7:01:55 AM PDT by SJackson (blow in a dog’s face, he gets mad at you, take him on a car ride; he sticks his head out the window)
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To: captmar-vell
Yes, Jerusalem was given over to the gentiles on 70 A.D. and it is still being trampled by them. How else would anybody explain the monstrosity on the Temple Mount? And yes, at the end of the Time of Jacob's Trouble Jerusalem will be divided in 3 parts. But it still does not say anything to me about today, July 4th 2012! I also believe that the age of the gentiles is coming to a close, that is my fervent hope, but I don't see where Jerusalem needs to be divided for that to happen. I will keep on praying that Netanyahu stands firm on the issue of Jerusalem, and that our Lord will come back soon!
18 posted on 07/04/2012 7:03:03 AM PDT by Former Fetus (Saved by grace through faith)
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To: PapaBear3625; Eleutheria5
The Israelis would do better to expel the Muslims, and invite the Copts.

The Copts are not friends of Israel. They're just as hostile, if not more so, than the moslems.

This love affair with Middle Eastern chr*stians (the most anti-Semitic in the world) has to end.

19 posted on 07/04/2012 8:15:29 AM PDT by Zionist Conspirator (Ki-hagoy vehamamlakhah 'asher lo'-ya`avdukh yove'du; vehagoyim charov yecheravu!)
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To: Zionist Conspirator

Applause!! Applause!!


20 posted on 07/04/2012 9:01:40 AM PDT by GiovannaNicoletta (In the last days, mockers will come with their mocking... (2 Peter 3:3))
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To: Former Fetus

I pray your right, and always pray for the peace of Jerusalem,

My belief is God is using the Law of Moses (fulfilled) precisely, to meet all of the conditions to restore the Earth and everything in it, and to take ownership over it.

Satan is trying to undue this work on the Earth, but as Daniel 7:25-26 says, the judgement will sit, see Revelation Chapter 4 and 5,

He inserted himself using the Law which he provided to the choicest vines in the vineyard. (see Isaiah ch 5) The Word became flesh and tabernacled with us, no man could ever hope to meet the necessary requirements (sinless perfection) to overcome the death which Adam’s fall brought upon us all, so he had to create the conditions and Holy framework within his fallen creation to bring the Word as flesh, to do it for us.

He provided himself.

You and I are saved by unmerited favor, by his grace.

The Law of Moses includes the punitive measures which he required those within the covenant (Israel) to meet exactly, which they did not, which led to the desolation of the sanctuary, and required the land to be left fallow until it had recovered her Sabbaths as were told in Leviticus Ch 25 and as Jeremiah references repeatedly as their desolation timeline begins,(for example Jeremiah 9:11-13)

I believe the times of the gentiles didn’t begin in 70 AD with the temple destruction. Judah lost Jerusalem in 606 BC with the Babylonian captivity. And Israel did not regain actual authority (control or self determination)again until June 7th of 1967.

This is why Jerusalem is so pivotal to control in the spiritual world, (principalities and powers in high places) this is why it will become a cup of trembling for the whole world in the last days. And all nations that try to move it will be cut into pieces. God is using his holiness to restore everything. Satan knows he has a short time, maybe he believes if he can undo the restoration work he will have legal rights of ownership, he can get Jerusalem under the Jubilee requirements as a walled city. God tells us Israel will make a ‘covenant with death’ and he will annul it. This when the “day of vengeance of our God” begins, but first (whoever Israel makes the agreement with) gets 42 months, or 1260 days,

Its my belief that God restored Jerusalem and Judah after the punitive measures, and precisely to the day in 1967, counting from the Temple desolation in 587 BC.

and (only because you asked) how it may apply to July 4th, 2012, I’ll show you my thoughts, rightly or wrongly, I have no idea when Jesus will return for the Church, “no man knows the day or the hour” and “at such an hour as you think not, the Son of Man cometh’ and further at the time of the end those days are cut short or no flesh would be saved alive, so its an unknowable time regardless, this is just repeating patterns,

Israel’s time is counted, and they were expected to know from Daniel ch 9 the exact day the Messiah would appear, and with the crucifixion they rejected him (in the flesh) this is shortly after the kingdom changes over to the spirit when Jesus begins speaking in parables, (the Church) is now within an unknowable time, the harvest time, a mystery, wild grapes in the vineyard, except what the spirit shows to us,

There is much more to this timelne, but briefly the time outlined below is for Israel, the days surrounding the captivity and desolation(s) of Jerusalem do show repeating patterns into our own time,

A 70|2520 May 14, 1948 (5th of Iyar)
B 70|2520 June 7th, 1967 Jerusalem, Judea and Samaria restored
C 21 days|1290 days|70|2492 (year 2012)

A starts with July 23, 606 BC, goes 70 years (25,200 days), then 2520 years (907,200 days) Israel was restored in 1948.

B is 6960 days + 3 days later, or August 16, 587 BC and then does the same, Temple Destruction, then 70 years, and then 2520 years. Jerusalem, Judea and Samaria are restored on June 7th 1967.

C is after the 70 years from the first Temple destruction, then goes 21 days, then 1290 days (or 1311 days) then appears to do the same timeline again? as the first two, 70 years (25,200 days) to March 14, 445 BC, then the 2492 years following is where we are today in 2012.

Is he going to 2500 for ‘a time, times and half a time’, (that is to say, 2500 years (900,000 days) from March 14, 445 BC, from when Gabriel told Daniel to begin counting to the Messiah, from when Jerusalem and the wall is restored, then add the 1000 year millennium rule (360,000 days) for 3500 years exactly, which would also require that March 14, 445 BC be the exact middle of the week (Wednesday)in a much larger 7000 year timeline of events?)

or is it another 2520 years (907,200 days) or 28 years from now? or is this just the train track, so we can look far down the line in the right direction to see the train coming or going?

we may not know where it stops, or when it arrives, but we wont be caught unaware, as long as we watch as we were commanded by Jesus,

or is he doing something else altogether?


21 posted on 07/04/2012 10:32:06 AM PDT by captmar-vell
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To: F15Eagle

Thanks,

“. . .the Lord my God shall come, and all the saints with thee” Zechariah 14:5

sometimes its helps things to jump out, when you look verse by verse, things we may not have noticed before, he’s clearly stating just like Enoch prophesied, “behold the lord comes with ten thousands of his saints’

We have to be with him already to return with him,


22 posted on 07/04/2012 10:38:18 AM PDT by captmar-vell
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To: Zionist Conspirator
This love affair with Middle Eastern chr*stians (the most anti-Semitic in the world) has to end.

Nope. I'll never abandon people of my faith to get some brownie points from the talmudists.

23 posted on 07/04/2012 10:48:58 AM PDT by Hacksaw (If I had a son, he'd look like George Zimmerman.)
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To: captmar-vell

Yes, we will return with Him in Zechariah 14:5 and Revelation 19:8 and 14:

http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Revelation%2019:8,14&version=KJV

Revelation 19:8

King James Version (KJV)

8 And to her was granted that she should be arrayed in fine linen, clean and white: for the fine linen is the righteousness of saints.

Revelation 19:14

King James Version (KJV)

14 And the armies which were in heaven followed him upon white horses, clothed in fine linen, white and clean.

We have washed our sins in the Blood of the Lamb, and He will give us the fine linen of His Righteousness, white and clean.


24 posted on 07/04/2012 11:59:38 AM PDT by F15Eagle (1 John 5:4-5, 4:15, 5:13; John 3:17-18, 6:69, 11:25, 14:6, 20:31; Rom10:8-11; 1 Tim 2:5; Titus 3:4-5)
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To: Zionist Conspirator
The Copts are not friends of Israel. They're just as hostile, if not more so, than the moslems.

Really? How many terrorist killings of Jews in Israel were committed by Christians last year?

This love affair with Middle Eastern chr*stians (the most anti-Semitic in the world) has to end.

OK, we'll invite the Christians over to the US instead. Then they won't have to deal with anti-Christians in Israel.

25 posted on 07/04/2012 12:29:28 PM PDT by PapaBear3625 (If I can't be persuasive, I at least hope to be fun.)
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