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Hemet: Marine convicted of smuggling rifle from Saddam palace (AK-47 stolen from Saddam's palace)
The Press Enterprise ^ | July 3, 2012 | JOHN ASBURY

Posted on 07/03/2012 9:21:12 PM PDT by DogByte6RER

Hemet: Marine convicted of smuggling rifle from Saddam palace

Saddam's plundered AK-47 fromI Iraq - An AK-47 seized from Saddam Hussein’s Royal Guard, belonging to Twentynine Palms Marine Joel Cleve Miller.

Federal prosecutors said former Staff Sgt. Joel Cleve Miller, 40, was found guilty of possession of an illegal chrome AK-47 that he smuggled back from Iraq during a 14-month tour in 2005.

When he returned to his home in Hemet, he bragged to several friends that he smuggled the gun back after it once belonged to Saddam Hussein’s Royal Guard.

The U.S. Marine Corps discharged Miller in December 2011 after 20 years in the military for approving false travel claims and stealing from the U.S. Government.

Miller was indicted by a Riverside Grand Jury in 2010 of three charges of illegal possession of a machine gun. A federal jury in Riverside last week acquitted him of possession of another gun.

He could face up to 10 years in federal prison. He is set be sentenced Sept. 27 by Riverside federal Judge Virginia A. Philips.

The case was part of an investigation by the Naval Criminal Investigative Service search for illegal automatic weapons in the United States.

“This case sends a strong message that we will continue to investigate those who illegally possess and distribute dangerous weapons such as machine guns,” NCIS Acting Supervisory Special Agent Albert Nelson stated. “We will continue our efforts to remove these weapons form (sic) the streets where they put innocent lives at risk.”


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Foreign Affairs; Government; News/Current Events; US: California; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: ak47; automaticweapons; banglist; federalprison; feds; gunnerpalace; hemet; iraq; machinegun; marinecorp; ncis; oifveterans; plunder; saddamhussein; shinytoyguns; souvenir; spoilsofwar; usmc; wartrophy
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I have to admit ... I admire this shiny chrome finished AK 47 ... it's hypnotizing
1 posted on 07/03/2012 9:21:25 PM PDT by DogByte6RER
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2 posted on 07/03/2012 9:21:57 PM PDT by DogByte6RER ("Loose lips sink ships")
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To: DogByte6RER

It would be interesting to know who is going to get that thing. Somebody will. It will just “disappear”.


3 posted on 07/03/2012 9:26:06 PM PDT by FlingWingFlyer (ObamaCare is only the beginning. It's all downhill from here.)
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To: DogByte6RER

Homer screwed up hard.


4 posted on 07/03/2012 9:27:08 PM PDT by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: DogByte6RER

Spoils of war. Something like that should probably be in a museum.

WWI & WWII soldiers brought back all kinds of stuff. No big deal.


5 posted on 07/03/2012 9:29:50 PM PDT by smokingfrog ( sleep with one eye open (<o> ---)
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To: DogByte6RER

America came into existence thanks to privately owned cannon and armed private vessels. It is time to return to those eternal principles recently validated by SOCTUS when it recognized the Second Amendment as recognizing a preexisting Natural Law.

I’d like the government to get out of the business of regulating what weapons an American may own.


6 posted on 07/03/2012 9:31:03 PM PDT by GladesGuru (In a society predicated upon freedom, it is necessary to examine principles."...the public interest)
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To: DogByte6RER
Gold Al Kadisha


7 posted on 07/03/2012 9:31:57 PM PDT by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: DogByte6RER
Whatever happened to the concept of "spoils of war"?

Oh wait, that wasn't a "war".

8 posted on 07/03/2012 9:35:13 PM PDT by elkfersupper ( Member of the Original Defiant Class)
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To: smokingfrog
They changed the rules on war spoils after WWII. He might have gotten a way with a Tokarev pistol in Korea or Vietnam.

They are all up his case because this is full auto, but they probably would have burned him for a Tariq pistol nowadays


9 posted on 07/03/2012 9:37:12 PM PDT by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: DogByte6RER

During the Great War, or even WW2, this would have been totally legit to possess.

Perhaps the fact that this weapon could be fully automatic and not the crippled “civilian version” could have been what motivated the arrest.

Hemet is in CA after all, correct?


10 posted on 07/03/2012 9:37:19 PM PDT by James C. Bennett (An Australian.)
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To: elkfersupper

To the victorious king go the spoils I guess


11 posted on 07/03/2012 9:38:00 PM PDT by raccoonnookkeeper (I keep raccoons in a nook!)
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To: James C. Bennett

Yep ...

http://www.cityofhemet.org/

About a 20 minute drive away from me.


12 posted on 07/03/2012 9:39:57 PM PDT by DogByte6RER ("Loose lips sink ships")
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To: DogByte6RER

This guy, who spent 20 years serving this country in the Marine Corps could go to prison for 10 years for bringing home one little gun!!!!! Yet Holder orders that thousands of guns walk across the border to Mexican terrorists and he will get probably a slap on the wrist (if even that). America has truely turned the righteous into the outlaws and the outlaws into the rulers. It’s time for a revolution (but I wont hold my breath).


13 posted on 07/03/2012 9:41:22 PM PDT by ScubieNuc (When there is no justice in the laws, justice is left to the outlaws.)
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To: DogByte6RER

Holder wants to send it to Mexico. I say let the guy go, thank him for his service, give the gun to the NRA museum.


14 posted on 07/03/2012 9:42:10 PM PDT by MrKatykelly
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To: James C. Bennett
Hemet is in CA after all, correct?

Correct.

The case was part of an investigation by the Naval Criminal Investigative Service

And CA is in the United States. So it's related to all those crazy liberal nuts in the U.S. and their liberal anti-gun laws.

15 posted on 07/03/2012 9:49:29 PM PDT by ElkGroveDan (My tagline is in the shop.)
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To: James C. Bennett
Hemet is in CA after all, correct?

Correct.

The case was part of an investigation by the Naval Criminal Investigative Service

And CA is in the United States. So it's related to all those crazy liberal nuts in the U.S. and their liberal anti-gun laws.

16 posted on 07/03/2012 9:49:49 PM PDT by ElkGroveDan (My tagline is in the shop.)
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To: smokingfrog

We also were allowed to from Viet Nam, with the right paper work.


17 posted on 07/03/2012 9:49:57 PM PDT by easternsky
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To: MrKatykelly

He was enlisted (completely and conveniently expendable).

He screwed the pooch big time.

An example will be made in politically expedient time.


18 posted on 07/03/2012 9:51:26 PM PDT by Delta 21 (Oh Crap !! Did I say that out loud ??!??)
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To: ScubieNuc

He was discharged by the Marines for making false claims so this may not be such a clear cut travesty.


19 posted on 07/03/2012 9:53:20 PM PDT by ari-freedom
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To: easternsky
before Gun Control Act of 1968
20 posted on 07/03/2012 9:55:06 PM PDT by smokingfrog ( sleep with one eye open (<o> ---)
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To: DogByte6RER

Loose Lips Sink Ships

and other stuff too.


21 posted on 07/03/2012 9:55:23 PM PDT by Iron Munro (John Adams: 'Two ways to enslave a country. One is by the sword, the other is by debt')
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To: DogByte6RER

He should have sold it on “Pawn Stars”.


22 posted on 07/03/2012 9:55:44 PM PDT by reg45 (Barack 0bama: Implementing class warfare by having no class!)
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To: easternsky

Forgot to add that a lot of Viet Nam Vets, had house fires and Boating accidents, and lost them all. What a shame piece of History gone.


23 posted on 07/03/2012 9:57:46 PM PDT by easternsky
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To: ScubieNuc

Holder is the one who should be prosecuted. AFter what he has done, he’s got no right to prosecute anybody for anything having to do with guns.


24 posted on 07/03/2012 10:03:13 PM PDT by holyscroller ( Without God, America is one nation under)
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To: mylife

Yes, but does it have a chrome lined bore & chamber?


25 posted on 07/03/2012 10:04:01 PM PDT by smokingfrog ( sleep with one eye open (<o> ---)
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To: ScubieNuc; xzins; jazusamo; smoothsailing; Lancey Howard

I agree, ScubieNuc. He was convicted in federal court for possessing the gun, but they never proved where it came from. No matter, it sounds like the military discharged him for bringing it home and “stealing” it from them, I guess.

NCIS doesn’t miss a trick. It sounds like they got him kicked out of the military then found a way to charge him in federal court as a civilian.


26 posted on 07/03/2012 10:09:27 PM PDT by Girlene (Chief AHat Roberts - should resign in disgrace.)
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To: smokingfrog

Probably.


27 posted on 07/03/2012 10:10:44 PM PDT by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: smokingfrog
WWI & WWII soldiers brought back all kinds of stuff. No big deal.

There were two huge differences then. Those were actual wars, not cannon-fodder theaters with absurd treasonous rules of engagement. If political correcteness ruled our country back then, 90% of returning soldiers would have ended up in jail. And today we would all be speaking German and Japanese and Russian today.

28 posted on 07/03/2012 10:12:28 PM PDT by publius911 (Formerly Publius 6961, formerly jennsdad)
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To: smokingfrog
yeah...what kind of BS is this! The man fought in a war of liberation for heaven sakes and now because of one rifle he may go to prison? Man, some of these higher ups have got their heads screwed on backwards.
29 posted on 07/03/2012 10:15:01 PM PDT by fabian (" And a new day will dawn for those who stand long, and the forests will echo with laughter")
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To: ari-freedom

True, more needs to be known, but the truth remains that the working man, the little guy, gets the full weight of punishment if or when we step out of line, but those in power get a little slap on the wrist.

http://www.militarycorruption.com/fiscus2.htm

http://militarycorruption.com/kellysmith4.htm

Regardless of the travel charges, bringing one small gun into the America that didn’t (that we know of) get used to kill anyone or commit any crime can send this Marine to prison but Holder sending thousands of guns to Mexican terrorists gets nothing!!!


30 posted on 07/03/2012 10:15:36 PM PDT by ScubieNuc (When there is no justice in the laws, justice is left to the outlaws.)
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To: smokingfrog
Buddy of mine and I schemed about bringing back a Thompson from RVN by gutting the insides of a small Japanese refrigerator and shipping it back. Decided against it, but you think of things like that at that age.

Same as my wanting to stuff the full auto trigger group from a carbine in my duffel bag to later install in a stateside gun. Sold the whole thing in-country instead, again, lucky for me no doubt. What do you do with full auto guns if you do have them in a state where they are not legal?

31 posted on 07/03/2012 10:20:56 PM PDT by doorgunner69
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To: DogByte6RER

Wonder if the AP photographer who smuggled an AK-47 into the US in a 6-reel stainless steel developing tank back in 1991 was ever prosecuted?


32 posted on 07/03/2012 10:24:15 PM PDT by MediaMole
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To: ScubieNuc

You said it!

Agree 110%


33 posted on 07/03/2012 10:27:18 PM PDT by Jack Hammer
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To: MediaMole

I remember seeing the Video of these Guys in the Palace, they were really excited, I can see him bagging something that nice. Holder Probably heard it existed, and wanted it for a wall hanger, and went after Him.


34 posted on 07/03/2012 10:31:25 PM PDT by easternsky
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To: easternsky

Holder has DOJ nullification for his gun running crimes so I think this soldier is due for jury nullification. Equality before the law.


35 posted on 07/03/2012 10:43:35 PM PDT by SaraJohnson
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To: Nailbiter

ping


36 posted on 07/03/2012 11:15:41 PM PDT by IncPen (Educating Barack Obama has been the most expensive project in human history)
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To: DogByte6RER

Guy should have been given a winning lottery ticket in addition to being awarded a Congressional Medal of Honor.

Phonyazz PC law...


37 posted on 07/03/2012 11:29:30 PM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously, you won't live thnrough it anyway)
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To: DogByte6RER
He could face up to 10 years in federal prison.

10 years my ass. He should be given an award for serving.

If they put him in a cage for 1 day, the entire corrupt government should resign en masse.

38 posted on 07/03/2012 11:34:40 PM PDT by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: easternsky
We also were allowed to from Viet Nam, with the right paper work.

My pops smuggled one back from Vietnam. Sadly, he sold it to a friend long ago...

39 posted on 07/03/2012 11:36:39 PM PDT by Gunslingr3
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To: smokingfrog

During Vietnam war, 1965-1975, returning GI`s brought AK-47`s, grenades etc openly right thru San Francisco Airport on their way to Travis AFB for flights home. I was the transport driver for them for 5 years and nobody even blinked an eye at the SF Airport. Ditto for Korean war GI`s who brought home Russian rifles with bayonets, carbines, etc and walked proudly displaying their trophies in every 4th of July parade I remember as a kid. This country has strayed from reality into lala land. Let`s take it back.


40 posted on 07/03/2012 11:46:14 PM PDT by bunkerhill7 (USA lala land? Who knew? .)
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To: DogByte6RER

“This case sends a strong message that we will continue to investigate those who illegally possess and distribute dangerous weapons such as machine guns,” NCIS Acting Supervisory Special Agent Albert Nelson stated. “We will continue our efforts to remove these weapons form (sic) the streets where they put innocent lives at risk.”

Guess they have no jurisdiction over Mr Holder.

This comment is actually about BEE ESS, because after the word distribute, things turn to BEE ESS.


41 posted on 07/04/2012 2:33:40 AM PDT by wita
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To: doorgunner69

There is a certain gent in Oklahoma I knew in 2003/4 who had brought back a Kalashnikov from Viet Nam hidden in equipment. One of those really good chaps - he invited me to his farm for a whole afternoon and we had a good time, even though we’d never met before then (it was a church thing). I am sure there is a lot of ‘stuff’ that came back after Viet Nam inside speakers and other equipment. The gun was full auto, but this is in Oklahoma (where people tend to use logic in deciding whether to report someone to the authorities), and thus he has had it for decades now. It is also in a farm, surrounded by friends, and people tend to mind their own business unless one becomes a bother. I am still surprised at how welcoming the guy was. To this day. Its not every day one gets treated as family by a total stranger. Generally, my time in Oklahoma was marked by almost constant surprise at the level of honesty, grace and warmness by the people. Absolutely amazing. Comparing that with, for example, Minnesota, showed a stark difference (maybe it is the cold weather in Minnesota that makes people grumpy lol). Oklahoma will always be a second home (and that is the end of that attempted thread hijack). On the guns ...a lot of stuff came via speakers and stuff.


42 posted on 07/04/2012 2:37:25 AM PDT by spetznaz (Nuclear-tipped Ballistic Missiles: The Ultimate Phallic Symbol)
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To: DogByte6RER
scratchin my head about a 20 year Marine being a SSgt.
Must have had an interesting career.
43 posted on 07/04/2012 2:48:35 AM PDT by stylin19a (Obama - The Man Who Shot Liberty Valance)
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To: bunkerhill7

I brought six grenades home from Nam in the 70’s. Three were made inert and three got.....secured.


44 posted on 07/04/2012 3:14:01 AM PDT by Safetgiver
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To: DogByte6RER
When he returned to his home in Hemet, he bragged to several friends that he smuggled the gun back after it once belonged to Saddam Hussein’s Royal Guard.

He only thought they were all friends.


45 posted on 07/04/2012 3:55:08 AM PDT by Iron Munro (John Adams: 'Two ways to enslave a country. One is by the sword, the other is by debt')
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To: bunkerhill7

I brought two bolt action rifles back from RVN. Found a little golf bag to carry them in & walked down the concourse in SF Airport with the bag over my shoulder & the muzzles sticking out with bayonets fixed. Try THAT nowadays.

Got deployed to Uzbekistan in 2003. Watched teary eyed as a brand new Krinkov AK was sawed in half. Brought some AK parts back.

What do guys in theater get crucified for now? They sell a legal AK pistol here, chrome or gold plate it & you got instant heirloom souvenir. Crazy.


46 posted on 07/04/2012 4:41:15 AM PDT by elcid1970 (Nuke Mecca now. Death to Islam means freedom for all mankind. Deus vult!")
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To: mylife
Based on the Beretta M92 from the looks of it.

CC

47 posted on 07/04/2012 4:43:53 AM PDT by Celtic Conservative (Q: how did you find America? A: turn left at Greenland)
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To: reg45

“He should have sold it on “Pawn Stars”.”

Rick wouldn’t have taken it. They aren’t licensed to deal in modern firearms.


48 posted on 07/04/2012 4:59:27 AM PDT by dljordan ("Tyranny, like Hell, is not easily conquered.")
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To: mylife; Girlene; jazusamo

I agree that this Marine screwed up big time. There is no deployment where it isn’t absolutely clear that no contraband of any kind, and great emphasis is placed on any kind of weapons, is permitted to be taken from country.

There is no doubt left in anyone’s mind. This Marine deserves to be punished for disobeying this order just as much as with any other order.

That said, let’s talk about the punishment. America’s fairness under the law is seriously lacking. There are people getting one year for murder...I posted such a link a few weeks back...and here’s a screw up that could get 10 years.

There is no way that that processes. The first is a mistake and the 2nd was a cold-blooded hiring someone to kill his wife. Is that finding an extreme case? Sure it is, but I could find lesser things: rape, armed robbery, kidnapping, etc. Aren’t all those worse than admiring a weapon and breaking rules to bring it home?

I think so. My gut says dismissal from service in disgrace is sufficient punishment. Add six months hard time or something like that, if necessary, because I think flagrant disobedience to an absolutely clear, reasonable order must be punished.

There’s no way, though, that it rises to the level of those other crimes mentioned.


49 posted on 07/04/2012 5:16:23 AM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! Those who truly support our troops pray for their victory!)
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To: DogByte6RER
he bragged to several "friends" that he smuggled the gun back

Fixed it.

50 posted on 07/04/2012 5:19:05 AM PDT by grobdriver (Proud Member, Party of NO! Nobama, No Way, No How!)
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