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Passenger could be asked to give drink samples to TSA
kjct8.com ^ | 7-3-12 | Janelle Ericsson

Posted on 07/05/2012 8:04:36 AM PDT by rawhide

GRAND JUNCTION, Colo. - Passengers say their problem is not with the rules at the airport. They understand why drinks are not allowed through security, but when they buy one while they wait for their flight, they say the TSA should not ask to test it.

Passengers say traveling is a big enough stress, but now some are worried the drinks they are getting are not safe.

The TSA would not say what they are testing for or why they are doing it, but travelers say they have a right to know.

"I'm always glad that my safety is a priority, I just think testing drinks after they've already been bought might be a little extreme," infrequent flyer Jennifer Smart said.

"The water or or the juices or anything you buy here in the airport, TSA is going to come over and look and check and test it? That's just ridiculous," world traveler Thomas Burgard said.

We asked the TSA about the drink testings and they said, "TSA employees have many layers of security throughout airports. Passengers may be randomly selected for additional screening measures at the checkpoint or in the gate at any time."

Passengers we spoke to also said they think the price of drinks are too expensive. If security is going to test them, it should be before they are purchased, so they do not waste their money.

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1 posted on 07/05/2012 8:04:46 AM PDT by rawhide
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To: rawhide
Stay out of airports, if at all possible.

Starve the beast.

2 posted on 07/05/2012 8:07:52 AM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum (Government is the religion of the sociopath.)
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To: rawhide

Probably because they’re concerned about potential binary agents, either chemical or explosive.

Finish your drinks before you board. Ain’t that hard to do.

Might be a good idea to visit the restroom, too.

This doesn’t seem that heavy a burden. I used to fly at least twice a week for a couple years. Sometimes several times. I don’t recall ever carrying a drink on board the aircraft. Most of my flights, admittedly, were inside CONUS.


3 posted on 07/05/2012 8:09:22 AM PDT by F15Eagle (1 John 5:4-5, 4:15, 5:13; John 3:17-18, 6:69, 11:25, 14:6, 20:31; Rom10:8-11; 1 Tim 2:5; Titus 3:4-5)
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To: rawhide
"I'm always glad that my safety is a priority..."

Ha! What they're telling you is that they're not able to keep you safe, no matter how many security measures they take. Sounds like they got a tip about plans to poison people's drinks at the stands behind the security gate. Next they'll be wanting to test the food you purchase. I say test the drinks on the TSA staff each day before the public is allowed to purchase any of it. What a joke!

4 posted on 07/05/2012 8:12:19 AM PDT by mass55th (Courage is being scared to death - but saddling up anyway...John Wayne)
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To: F15Eagle

Guess I should change that to say they’re concerned about something happening the waiting areas?

Hmmm, interesting.


5 posted on 07/05/2012 8:12:23 AM PDT by F15Eagle (1 John 5:4-5, 4:15, 5:13; John 3:17-18, 6:69, 11:25, 14:6, 20:31; Rom10:8-11; 1 Tim 2:5; Titus 3:4-5)
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To: rawhide

Give it to them after you’ve passed it through your kidneys.


6 posted on 07/05/2012 8:13:53 AM PDT by Joe 6-pack (Que me amat, amet et canem meum)
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To: rawhide

Would anyone actually finish a coffee, water, etc. after the TSA tested it with their “sterile” equipment?


7 posted on 07/05/2012 8:14:35 AM PDT by matt04
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To: F15Eagle

It is a very poorly written article. It appears that what they are saying is that you can buy a drink INSIDE the secure area and they can walk up to you and demand to test your drink.

The implications here is that the area inside the secured area in the airport is, freedom wise and constitutionally speaking, like anywhere in the Soviet Union of the 1960’s. That is, you give up your first amendment rights once you pass through security and then get them back once you cross that “can’t go back” line on your way to baggage claim.


8 posted on 07/05/2012 8:14:48 AM PDT by cuban leaf (Were doomed! Details at eleven.)
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To: rawhide
"Really sir, It's only ginger ale. Just take a sip."


9 posted on 07/05/2012 8:17:02 AM PDT by Iron Munro (John Adams: 'Two ways to enslave a country. One is by the sword, the other is by debt')
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To: rawhide

Gov’t is like a simple, multi-celled organism. It doesn’t think, and simply responds to stimuli. It feeds and grows as much as the environment allows - until it can not any longer.


10 posted on 07/05/2012 8:17:54 AM PDT by PGR88
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To: matt04

They haven’t said what would happen to you if you refused to let them stick their thingy in your drinkie.


11 posted on 07/05/2012 8:18:27 AM PDT by mass55th (Courage is being scared to death - but saddling up anyway...John Wayne)
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To: rawhide

All that needs to be done, is buy the drink after going through security. That’s what most people do.


12 posted on 07/05/2012 8:19:05 AM PDT by stuartcr ("When silence speaks, it speaks only to those that have already decided what they want to hear.")
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To: stuartcr
"All that needs to be done, is buy the drink after going through security. That’s what most people do."

It's the drink you buy after you go through security that they want to test.

13 posted on 07/05/2012 8:20:18 AM PDT by mass55th (Courage is being scared to death - but saddling up anyway...John Wayne)
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To: rawhide

Obviously they are now busily trying to justify their existence.


14 posted on 07/05/2012 8:21:50 AM PDT by VeniVidiVici (Congrats to Ted Kennedy! He's been sober for two years now!!)
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To: cuban leaf

I do my best to avoid flying wherever possible.

I got a great one for you; true story.

In 2008, flying back here to Prague from Seattle (via Paris), I exited the plane, looked for the sign for “baggage claim”, and duly toodled off to the right. Got my suitcase, then proceeded to what I thought was Customs/Passport Control.

Only one problem; instead, I proceeded straight to the main exit. No Customs, no Passport Control, nothing.

I’m a permanent resident here, so no biggie. But to say that was disconcerting, especially at an international airport, is an understatement.

Don’t know if it’s still that way.


15 posted on 07/05/2012 8:22:50 AM PDT by AnAmericanAbroad (It's all bread and circuses for the future prey of the Morlocks.)
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To: mass55th

Then they need to go to the merchants and batch test everything. There is no way they are going to go up to people in a busy airport, and ask to test their drink.


16 posted on 07/05/2012 8:22:50 AM PDT by stuartcr ("When silence speaks, it speaks only to those that have already decided what they want to hear.")
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To: cuban leaf

Weird. I woke up after having the oddest dream about an airplane crash early this morning. Then I switched on the TV and they were explaining the 447 crash. Sounds like the copilot had the a/c in a wing stall most of the way down (I was only able to catch it briefly).

He had the control pulled back most of the way down and only too late did the Captain arrive and demand control of the Airbus 330.

And the copilot only after about a minute confessed he was holding the stick back most of the way down.

In my dream I was in a late-model passenger jet (don’t want to jinx it with the model) and it flew too low over a military aircraft similar to a C-141 (a four-engined jet) causing the wings to stall and the military a/c dropped into the ground.

Then the passenger jet flew too low and struck a left wing on a ground obstacle.

Must have been too many potatoes for dinner last night. :)


17 posted on 07/05/2012 8:24:28 AM PDT by F15Eagle (1 John 5:4-5, 4:15, 5:13; John 3:17-18, 6:69, 11:25, 14:6, 20:31; Rom10:8-11; 1 Tim 2:5; Titus 3:4-5)
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To: F15Eagle

Re: “This doesn’t seem that heavy a burden”

1. For the zero security actually provided by the TSA, everything they do is too heavy a burden.

2. Given the TSA’s history thus far, they will figure out a way to make this process dangerous to the travelling public somehow. I don’t know how, but they’ll do it. They’ve even made luggage screening, which should impose no risks whatsoever on the public, into a danger, as witnessed by the TSA X ray machine that spontaneously caught on fire in LaGuardia on June 24, 2012. Besides the usual risk of fire and possible X ray exposure from damaged shielding while the fire burned, they managed to fill a La Guardia terminal with “white smoke.” BTW, lead (a common component of X ray shielding) burns to grey lead oxide, and beryllium (a commonly used window material for X ray devices) burns to white beryllium oxide. That “white smoke” was probably a mix of lead oxide, beryllium oxide, and other dangerous chemicals ... and the TSA maintenance and calibration procedures were so unbelievably poor as to allow this fire to happen. When is the last time you heard about X ray machines used near the public (in, say, a hospital or clinic) spontaneously catching on fire?

What the TSA says they will do may not be particularly dangerous or a heavy burden. What they actually do is another thing altogether.


18 posted on 07/05/2012 8:25:28 AM PDT by Jubal Harshaw
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To: AnAmericanAbroad

I remember a few months after 9/11 I was in the secured area of SeaTac eating at TGIF (or Chile’s or something like that) and they gave me a metal steak knife. I actually got on the air at KVI about that one.


19 posted on 07/05/2012 8:29:19 AM PDT by cuban leaf (Were doomed! Details at eleven.)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum
Let's see... are they still letting catering, cabin cleaning, aircraft maintenance and baggage handlers walk around the security points and through ticketing to directly access the tarmac? They were at LAX when I quit flying in 03. They told us they were "spot checking" the ramp, so they didn't need to go through security. Right. Plus, they were hiring loads of illegal aliens at that time. But there is no cause to be concerned. Let's strip search the passengers and stick our fingers in their drinks (and other places) while we leave the back door wide open. Remember that scene from Airport where security is manhandling that little old lady while Ahmed and Mohammed run through the metal detector carrying large pieces of weaponry? It's not funny anymore.

Until they close the border, this Kabuki Theater at the airport is bullsh!t.

20 posted on 07/05/2012 8:29:41 AM PDT by ponygirl (Be Breitbart.)
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To: rawhide

The secure area is not secure?


21 posted on 07/05/2012 8:29:58 AM PDT by razorback-bert (I'm in shape. Round is a shape isn't it?)
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To: F15Eagle

“Finish your drinks before you board. Ain’t that hard to do.”

I don’t want to finish my drink before I board. I buy a drink to take on the plane so that I have a drink with me and am not left at the mercy of the beverage service, whenever they feel like coming around.


22 posted on 07/05/2012 8:31:58 AM PDT by Boogieman
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To: AnAmericanAbroad

I was at O’hare a few years ago waiting for my wife to come out of the restroom after we got off the plane. I was waiting near the “do not cross” area but there was no line painted on the floor or anything. So I set down my computer next to the wall and wait.

Meanwhile I’m curious about the odd structure in the ceiling so I wander about 20’ from my computer (always keeping my eye on it since it is my company comtuter) and check it out. Then I start back to my computer and alarms go off all over the place. Some lady behind me tells me to stop and I say, “hey, let me get my computer first”. She yells again and I stop. Then I say, I’m just getting my computer and I went ahead and got it as she yelled again.

It could have turned out pretty bad I suppose but fortunately she was one of the lazy ones.

At ohare my daughter in law got a parking ticket without actually coming to a complete stop. :-)

I really hate Chicago in general. :-|


23 posted on 07/05/2012 8:33:36 AM PDT by cuban leaf (Were doomed! Details at eleven.)
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To: rawhide
I'm exclusively pumping for my ten month old daughter. They can pry her breast milk from my cold, dead hands lol. On a serious note, if the milk was tested by those incompetent bastards, how do I know they did not contaminate it with something?
24 posted on 07/05/2012 8:34:02 AM PDT by goodwithagun (My gun has killed fewer people than Ted Kennedy's car.)
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To: rawhide

“I’m always glad that my safety is a priority,”

...this dumbass thinks they’re doing things, anything, for her safety. It’s these kinds of empty headed baboons that will always insure continued erosion on our freedoms and liberties.


25 posted on 07/05/2012 8:34:58 AM PDT by albie
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To: mass55th

>>”I’m always glad that my safety is a priority...”
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>Ha! What they’re telling you is that they’re not able to keep you safe, no matter how many security measures they take.

I was thinking more like “I’m wearing a condom while violating you: your safety is my business.”


26 posted on 07/05/2012 8:37:30 AM PDT by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: rawhide

I wish someone would invent the teleporter and we could do away with all the TSA non-sense.


27 posted on 07/05/2012 8:37:37 AM PDT by GraceG
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To: cuban leaf

a few months after 911, we flew with our three large bottles of booze bought on the cheap in Mexico and three large bottles of Mexican vanilla, all carried on.


28 posted on 07/05/2012 8:37:37 AM PDT by cherry (Catholics for Romney)
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To: razorback-bert
The secure area is not secure?

NO! It's not. I'm sure that is the concern.

I fly 3 weeks out of 4. There are a LOT of people, working, inside the secure area that get very little scrutiny as they move in and out of this area, routinely.

I bet, they have received some specific threat of rings of employees, working inside the secure area, planning to smuggle in explosives to be carried by someone picking them up on the inside.

There are always ways... around security, for an enemy that is patient and cunning.

29 posted on 07/05/2012 8:39:16 AM PDT by SomeCallMeTim ( The best minds are not in government. If any were, business would hire them)
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To: goodwithagun

[ how do I know they did not contaminate it with something? ]

You don’t and just imagine them using a pipette to draw from the milk bottle being the same unwashed one that was being used to sample the opened half drank soda from someone who has an orally transmittable STD.....

I know it sucks but I am a bit of a germaphobe and I think of such things ALL THE TIME!


30 posted on 07/05/2012 8:41:37 AM PDT by GraceG
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To: cherry

In May of 2006, I flew back from the UK with a bottle of Scotch and a bottle of Australian wine I’d won on the bus tour I’d been on. Brought it on board the planes in my backpack. At that time, there were no restrictions as to the amount of liquid you could carry onboard.


31 posted on 07/05/2012 8:43:25 AM PDT by mass55th (Courage is being scared to death - but saddling up anyway...John Wayne)
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To: rawhide
stoole (fecal) samples, anyone? ... that's next; bend over.
the phase most associated w/ the "Bathhouse/Gay Won" O'BOZO.

32 posted on 07/05/2012 8:45:04 AM PDT by skinkinthegrass (WA DC E$tabli$hment; DNC/RNC/Unionists...Brazilian saying: "$@me Old $hit; different flie$". :^)
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To: cherry

The passengers on that flight are lucky they survived. ;-)


33 posted on 07/05/2012 8:46:24 AM PDT by cuban leaf (Were doomed! Details at eleven.)
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To: stuartcr

Food and drink goes through many stages before it gets to the airport. And I’ll bet the food has some kind of muslim contact at each stage. The TSA is concerned that some terrorist has done something to the drink along the way. And it will be food next.

Why do it this way? Because, if they checked at other stages the muslims would scream discrimination. But the sheep who are trying to get on the plane will do anything they’re asked. When they groped us and not enough objected, that was that.

I don’t fly. I will never fly again. There’s nothing in this world I can’t do without seeing if I can’t drive to it.


34 posted on 07/05/2012 8:47:14 AM PDT by Terry Mross ( To all my kin: Do not attempt to contact me as long as you love obama.)
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To: rawhide
The TSA would not say what they are testing for or why they are doing it, but travelers say they have a right to know.

probably looking for Astrolite G.

35 posted on 07/05/2012 8:49:02 AM PDT by RC one (this space intentionally left blank)
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To: stuartcr
Then they need to go to the merchants and batch test everything. There is no way they are going to go up to people in a busy airport, and ask to test their drink.

Why to we even put up with this crap. What a nation of fags America has turned into.

36 posted on 07/05/2012 8:50:25 AM PDT by Sirius Lee (Goode over evil. Voting for mitt or obie is like throwing your country away.)
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To: SomeCallMeTim

Also, the gropers might be able to find a plastic jar of liquid, but it might not show on the scanners. But on the other hand, why would not a successful liquid smuggler just leave their potion in the hidden jar, not carry it out in the open? And if the potion can be smuggled into the secured area... why not put THAT into a hidden jar? (Security will not complain if you bring an empty plastic jar through.)

This is all a huge charade. The truth seems to be that almost nobody bothers to try bringing something on a plane that would bring it down, because nosey passengers would probably notice something amiss in the suicide terrorist’s attempt to use it.


37 posted on 07/05/2012 8:53:16 AM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (let me ABOs run loose, lew)
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To: Jack Hydrazine

come here, they’re talking about you


38 posted on 07/05/2012 8:54:22 AM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (let me ABOs run loose, lew)
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To: Terry Mross

As I am looking nationwide for work, I will fly, but sparingly. Thus far, I’ve come across one scan and no gropes. If groped, I think I will fart if possible.


39 posted on 07/05/2012 8:57:34 AM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (let me ABOs run loose, lew)
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To: Sirius Lee

It won’t happen. If it did, they would have to include food. If they include food, they would have to check everyones food at security, and that won’t happen as they do not have the assets to do this and it would take too much time.


40 posted on 07/05/2012 8:57:41 AM PDT by stuartcr ("When silence speaks, it speaks only to those that have already decided what they want to hear.")
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To: rawhide

A rule in our household..

If we can’t drive there. we ain’t going.

I see no reason to willing subject my kids or wife to the TSA.


41 posted on 07/05/2012 8:57:45 AM PDT by cableguymn (For the first time in my life. I fear my country's government.)
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To: stuartcr
There is no way they are going to go up to people in a busy airport, and ask to test their drink.

HA! You funny!

42 posted on 07/05/2012 9:00:49 AM PDT by null and void (Day 1261 of our ObamaVacation from reality - Heroes aren't made Frank, they're cornered...)
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To: SomeCallMeTim
"There are always ways... around security, for an enemy that is patient and cunning. "

Yep. They've got all day and night to watch and learn the movements, habits, and how things run. If you have the same routine, the same schedule everyday, and you do the same thing at the same time every day, those employees involved in illegal activities can develop their plans of action to take advantage of this. They'll recognize your short-comings, and use it. They'll know what area they can conduct their illegal activities in, and when the best time is to do it. One of the things I learned from working in Corrections for 25 years is to not get in the habit of doing the same thing, at the same time each day. Don't be predictable. If at all possible, change up your routine to keep them guessing.

43 posted on 07/05/2012 9:07:02 AM PDT by mass55th (Courage is being scared to death - but saddling up anyway...John Wayne)
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To: mass55th

Even then, it seems such a charade, with so many loopholes.

Islamoterrorists bent on suicide seem to not want to chance getting caught, which they might be at the last second by vigilant passengers even if they completely fool screening. And if they do, there goes their guaranteed free ride by glorious suicide attack to a virgin filled heaven. (I believe all such caught attempted terrorists should NOT be put to death, starving the cause of a martyrdom.)


44 posted on 07/05/2012 9:15:02 AM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (let me ABOs run loose, lew)
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To: null and void
Tsarina Napolitano's Elite Guard

Every day I'm feeling safer in every way.


45 posted on 07/05/2012 9:16:51 AM PDT by Covenantor ("Men are ruled...by liars who refuse them news, and by fools who cannot govern." Chesterton)
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To: cuban leaf

Wow. Good thing she was one of the lazy ones! And the metal steak knife? After 9/11? In a secure area?

-facepalm-

After my rather surprising experience at Prague International Airport, I found a Czech cop and told him. I showed him my passport as well (along with the PR visa). He just sort of looked at it, continued smoking his cigarette and drinking his coffee, and said, “I’ll look into it.”

As far as I’m concerned, being able to walk directly off an airplane, collect your luggage, and then hop on a bus or hail a taxi without any kind of passport or customs control is a pretty serious security breach. It really is the airport version of an open border. Of course, it’s part of the Schengen Zone here, but there should still be some kind of control.

Trains are something else. I can hop a train from here to France, and no one looks at my passport. My ticket, of course. But that’s at. Convenient on the one hand to be sure, but a potential security problem on the other.


46 posted on 07/05/2012 9:22:53 AM PDT by AnAmericanAbroad (It's all bread and circuses for the future prey of the Morlocks.)
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To: AnAmericanAbroad

Yeah, trains are how I get all my C-4 into France. Much less hassle than airplanes. ;-)


47 posted on 07/05/2012 9:29:37 AM PDT by cuban leaf (Were doomed! Details at eleven.)
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To: rawhide

Can we drink it then piss the sample down their jackboots?


48 posted on 07/05/2012 9:34:33 AM PDT by crosshairs
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To: GraceG

I don’t know about that.

Remember the “transporter”? Think about how it works for a second.

A teleporter would record everything about you, right down to the subatomic level. Then it transmits that data to your target destination.

Then it disintegrates you.

Here’s a really good explanation of it:

“A teleporter wouldn’t actually break down your atoms and then shoot those same atoms thousands of miles through the air; even if it were possible, there’d be no reason to do it. It would instead just grab Hydrogen and Oxygen atoms from out of the air and assemble you out of those (one Hydrogen atom is the same as another, after all).

In other words, teleporters would work more like fax machines than mail. It transmits a signal and the machine on the other end spits out a copy. Only instead of a copy of a letter, it’s a copy of a person, right down to all their thoughts and memories and in this case, the original is destroyed. This was demonstrated in Star Trek: The Next Generation, Episode 250 (”Second Chances”, aired May 24, 1993, Stardate 46915.2) where they failed to destroy the original Will Riker and were left with two of him.

Are you grasping the weirdness of this? The original is destroyed. That means when you step into a teleporter, you die. But, the rest of the world won’t know you died, because a copy of you will step out of the other end of the machine. It won’t be you, though, it’ll be another you that happens to share your memories. To the outside observer the thing will always work fine, and the thing that steps out of the receiving end will think it worked fine. The one person who knows it didn’t worked fine, can’t tell anyone because they died via total atomization the moment they stepped into the machine.”

(courtesy cracked.com)

Ponder on that one.


49 posted on 07/05/2012 9:41:46 AM PDT by AnAmericanAbroad (It's all bread and circuses for the future prey of the Morlocks.)
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To: Joe 6-pack
You beat me to it! BTW, use it to get their Jack Boots all wet.
50 posted on 07/05/2012 9:45:27 AM PDT by SandRat (Duty - Honor - Country! What else needs said?)
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