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California OKs funding for high-speed rail line
Associated Press ^ | July 6, 2012

Posted on 07/06/2012 4:39:00 PM PDT by Free ThinkerNY

SACRAMENTO, Calif. (AP) -- California lawmakers approved billions of dollars Friday in construction financing for the initial segment of what would be the nation's first dedicated high-speed rail line, eventually connecting Los Angeles and San Francisco.

The state Senate voted 21-16 on a party-line vote after intense lobbying by Gov. Jerry Brown, Democratic leaders and labor groups.

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1 posted on 07/06/2012 4:39:05 PM PDT by Free ThinkerNY
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To: Free ThinkerNY

The train to nowhere....

It serves no economic purpose, and its impact on the capital sources in California assures that the once favored land will be reduced to about the level of, say, Argentina.

But without the romanticism of the Perons.


2 posted on 07/06/2012 4:40:20 PM PDT by alloysteel (Fear and intimidation work. At least on the short term.)
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To: Free ThinkerNY

I guess California is just one giant insane asylum.


3 posted on 07/06/2012 4:44:09 PM PDT by elkfersupper ( Member of the Original Defiant Class)
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To: Free ThinkerNY

Insanity, to say nothing of the fact that the resedigned train project violates the terms approved by voters.


4 posted on 07/06/2012 4:46:51 PM PDT by pogo101
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To: Free ThinkerNY

I pity each and every rational person living in CA. Should be a couple handfuls or so.


5 posted on 07/06/2012 4:47:03 PM PDT by drbuzzard (All animals are created equal, but some are more equal than others.)
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To: Free ThinkerNY

They get 3 billion dollars from the rest of the country to throw away- if they throw away 3 billion of California’s...

“IT’S A TRAP!”


6 posted on 07/06/2012 4:50:08 PM PDT by mrsmith (Dumb sluts: Lifeblood of the Media, Backbone of the Democrat Party!)
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To: alloysteel

yet another sad day in california - there are too many.. Some may laugh at the idiocy, but california is in the process of dragging the rest of the country down.


7 posted on 07/06/2012 4:50:43 PM PDT by MrShoop
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To: Free ThinkerNY

“The state Senate voted 21-16 on a party-line vote”

At least there is a difference between the Republicans and the Democrats. That is one bright spot. Hopefully, there are enough sane Californians who will vote no on Brown’s tax increase ballot initiative in November. If California has enough money for this boondogle they can do without a tax increase.


8 posted on 07/06/2012 4:50:51 PM PDT by forgotten man (forgotten man)
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To: Free ThinkerNY

Forget it Jake, it's Sacramento.


9 posted on 07/06/2012 4:50:57 PM PDT by Covenantor ("Men are ruled...by liars who refuse them news, and by fools who cannot govern." Chesterton)
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To: Free ThinkerNY

The first chunk of money will go to the purchase of the right-of-way, correct? Naturally the cost will be higher than estimated and use up all the funding. Precious few jobs will actually be created. Meanwhile, the connected landowners get theirs and reluctant farmers get screwed over by eminent domain.


10 posted on 07/06/2012 4:52:51 PM PDT by NonValueAdded (Steyn: "One can argue about whose fault it is, but not ... whose responsibility it is: it's his")
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To: alloysteel

This is great news for lawyers, land use consultants, and appraisers.... manna from the golden goose in Sacramento....All praise Lord Jerry! /sarc


11 posted on 07/06/2012 4:54:04 PM PDT by pointsal
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To: Free ThinkerNY

How much of the cost of building and running Jerry Brown’s train will fall on US taxpayers outside of California? People living there may want a folly, but don’t make others pay.


12 posted on 07/06/2012 4:57:23 PM PDT by RicocheT (Eat the rich only if you're certain it's your last meal)
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To: Free ThinkerNY

Maybe God will be able to shift the San Androus fault to the Nevada Calif border - err, include Las Vegas - and just dump all these idiots into the sea!


13 posted on 07/06/2012 4:57:59 PM PDT by Noob1999 (Loose Lips, Sink Ships)
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To: drbuzzard

I accept your pity.

I can fly from 3 convenient Bay area airports to 3 convenient LA airports plus San Diego for $58 with proper planning.

WASS in Californina. My wife and I are retiring in 18 months and are looking to move out of CA. Any thoughts?

Oh, I have 10,000 rounds of .223 if that helps.


14 posted on 07/06/2012 4:58:42 PM PDT by super7man
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To: pointsal
This is great news for lawyers,...

Yep. This money will get used up before anything gets built, what with environmental suits, land taking suits, strikes, etc, etc, etc.

15 posted on 07/06/2012 5:00:02 PM PDT by Paine in the Neck (Socialism consumes everything)
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To: alloysteel
The train to nowhere....

Yes, it is a Train to Somewhere - Bankruptcy.

16 posted on 07/06/2012 5:00:52 PM PDT by sr4402
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To: super7man

My husband and I enjoy visiting Utah. St. George is especially beautiful.


17 posted on 07/06/2012 5:00:59 PM PDT by wintertime
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To: Free ThinkerNY

I won’t predict victory, but I think there is a good chance, maybe a 45% chance, that the CA voters will vote to stop high speed rail in an upcoming ballot proposition.

http://www.lao.ca.gov/ballot/2012/120225.pdf

They can’t build this thing because the environmentalists will tie it up in court for years. Long before they can have an approved environmental document, this proposition will be on the ballot. If it passes, they can’t spend a penny of the bonds sold to raise money for it.

So this rush today to approve and sell the bonds for HSR will be nullified if the new Stop HSR prop passes. That’s a big “if”, I know. But I really think many people are now wise to this project. They know it will cost well over $100 billion.

The original proposition passed 53% to 47%. With the continuing economic depression and budget deficits, I think there is a good chance the Stop HSR prop passes.

California HSR is not a done deal yet. We can still kill it.


18 posted on 07/06/2012 5:02:25 PM PDT by Freedom_Is_Not_Free (REPEAL OBAMACARE. Nothing else matters.)
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To: Free ThinkerNY

Where’s ZORO when you need him?


19 posted on 07/06/2012 5:12:03 PM PDT by A Strict Constructionist (We're an Oligrachy...Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God. Thomas Jefferson)
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To: Free ThinkerNY
If any of you are familiar with the cities in California, this really is a train to nowhere. OK, you can use it to move between the SF bay area and Los Angeles/San Diego.

The Sacramento politicians will love it because without flying anymore, they will be able to zoom down to their districts in Southern California. In fact this whole entire boondoggle really appears to be a way so the politicians in the Sacramento area offices and their staff can soar back and forth from Sacramento to their southern California offices.

I think this thing is basically going to be their private rail line and it is going to cost $200 billion when all is said and done. It wouldn't surprise me if they have secure, unannounced, secret VIP cars for politicians and their staff.

Anyway, without further ado, look at the rink-a-dink garbage cities serviced by this line. You have San Francisco, Sacramento, Los Angeles, San Diego, and a whole lot of nothing else.


20 posted on 07/06/2012 5:15:43 PM PDT by Freedom_Is_Not_Free (REPEAL OBAMACARE. Nothing else matters.)
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To: alloysteel
Sorry to disagree with you, but I think this does have an economic purpose. Its purpose is to provide transportation for the illegal aliens that make it to San Diego so that they can get to Sacto and provide housekeepers and yard maintenance for the democrats.
21 posted on 07/06/2012 5:22:18 PM PDT by Glennb51
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To: Free ThinkerNY

This project is designed to keep the illegal alien population employed, which will keep the union coffers overflowing, which will ensure that the democrats are in power forever.


22 posted on 07/06/2012 5:23:02 PM PDT by GrannyAnn
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To: Freedom_Is_Not_Free

AMTRACK will have to take it over, eventually.


23 posted on 07/06/2012 5:25:46 PM PDT by radioone
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To: forgotten man

Don’t kid yourself. If it had been close, some of those Republicans would have gone over to the dark side to make sure it passed.

Who gives a damn whether the public want the thing or not, and they definitely do not under the current conditions.


24 posted on 07/06/2012 5:29:23 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (Remove all Democrats from the Republican party, and we won't have much Left, just a lot of Right.)
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To: Noob1999

May Austin be next.


25 posted on 07/06/2012 5:31:38 PM PDT by Las Vegas Ron (Rush Limbaugh = the Beethoven of talk radio - http://www.istandwithrush.org/)
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To: Free ThinkerNY

Gee... I bet they’ll want more money to buy the train for it.


26 posted on 07/06/2012 5:56:10 PM PDT by UCANSEE2 (Lame and ill-informed post)
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To: GrannyAnn

COUNTLESS $$$ BILLIONS $$$ will be diverted to government parasite pension plans. Mark my words.


27 posted on 07/06/2012 5:56:43 PM PDT by profit_guy
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To: Free ThinkerNY

Idiots.The state is worse than broke, and they ok a boondoggle that will have no passengers


28 posted on 07/06/2012 5:57:02 PM PDT by Figment
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To: super7man

Pick a state with no income tax


29 posted on 07/06/2012 5:57:11 PM PDT by Figment
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To: UCANSEE2

It will cost at least double the estimates........as will ObamaCare.......these numbers are always just to get their foot in the door. When does a govt estimate ever come in on budget?


30 posted on 07/06/2012 6:01:41 PM PDT by profit_guy
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To: Free ThinkerNY

“The bill authorizes the state to begin selling $4.5 billion in voter-approved bonds”

Watch this closely


31 posted on 07/06/2012 6:09:29 PM PDT by Selene
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To: Free ThinkerNY
Reminds me of....

Simpsons - Monorail


Watch the whole thing
32 posted on 07/06/2012 6:18:30 PM PDT by dila813
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To: Free ThinkerNY

This boondoggle will magically run out of money when spotted owl habitat is located on the proposed route. But liberals will have successfully transferred billions in treasury funds to enviro-lawyers, unions, various liberal experts, and progressive front groups.

Marxist know how to work the system.


33 posted on 07/06/2012 6:32:26 PM PDT by Oldeconomybuyer (The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money.)
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To: Freedom_Is_Not_Free

I see Visalia is along the line.

Maybe they can transport those tasty onions with this choo-choo.

Oh. Wait. Nevermind.


34 posted on 07/06/2012 6:46:36 PM PDT by SnuffaBolshevik (In a tornado, even turkeys can fly.)
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To: Paine in the Neck
The bonds won't sell, but the (freshly printed) federal grant money will go straight to payroll for their bloated bureaucracy, for their bankrupt state pension system and to pay for their huge illegal population. Then they will paint a state seal on San Diego's `Tijuana Trolley' and call it good. Californos' only hope--if this scam peters out--is that everything west of the San Andreas fault falls into the sea.
35 posted on 07/06/2012 6:48:02 PM PDT by tumblindice (Sic Semper Tyrannis)
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To: Free ThinkerNY

California-America’s Greece.


36 posted on 07/06/2012 6:49:10 PM PDT by Catmom
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To: Free ThinkerNY

Goes to prove, you can’t out-stupid progressives .... they are pros!


37 posted on 07/06/2012 7:18:25 PM PDT by RetiredTexasVet (Skittle pooping unicorns are more common than progressives with honor & integrity.)
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To: Free ThinkerNY

“The first segment of the line will run from Madera to Bakersfield.”

Absolute insanity.

For those unfamiliar with California, look at a map of those two cities and what’s in between them.

Absolutely nothing but farmland.

I haven’t seen Madera or Bakersfield on any top ten hottest vacation spot lists.

The only reason to go to Bakersfield is if you’re a big fan of Buck Owens.

The only people riding that train will be members of the United Farm Workers and they’ll have government passes that will allow them to ride for free.


38 posted on 07/06/2012 7:37:51 PM PDT by waus (FUBO UFCMF, Just in case I stuttered, FUBO)
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To: Free ThinkerNY

Yet there are still idiots here on FR who think California can be saved. It is gone, propped up for now before rolling down the turdhole.

But keep on dreaming, those of you who are true believers. The unicorns will be crapping out skittle for you any day now.


39 posted on 07/06/2012 7:37:55 PM PDT by packrat35 (Admit it! We are almost ready to be called a police state!)
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To: super7man

Tennessee hasn’t got a regular income tax and has a Republican governor and Congress.


40 posted on 07/06/2012 7:40:22 PM PDT by packrat35 (Admit it! We are almost ready to be called a police state!)
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To: GeronL

Choo-Choo Ping


41 posted on 07/06/2012 8:03:02 PM PDT by Army Air Corps (Four Fried Chickens and a Coke)
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To: Free ThinkerNY

I think they are building the route from Tijuana direct to East LA. Flows nicely with the anti Arizona immigration law they just passed to assure a steady stream of illegals into their cities


42 posted on 07/06/2012 8:04:39 PM PDT by chuckee
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To: Freedom_Is_Not_Free; Syncro

If it doesn’t stop at Bodega Bay, I ain’t ridin’ it.

Idiots will poke our budget out with that thing.

California will be bankrupt before that line is half done.

Two hundred billion dollars? Bwahahahahahahahaha!!

Idiots!!


43 posted on 07/06/2012 8:06:11 PM PDT by Jim Robinson (Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God!!)
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To: super7man
Oh, I have 10,000 rounds of .223 if that helps.

That might be enough to cover your rear on your way out.

44 posted on 07/06/2012 8:17:09 PM PDT by VeniVidiVici (Congrats to Ted Kennedy! He's been sober for two years now!!)
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To: Glennb51

Well, if you look at the picture I posted, you can see they plan an eventual rail extension to Tijuana. It’s show in a lighter gray like Las Vegas and Phoenix are shown. But it look clear to me the bullet train would eventually go to Tijuana.

Great, you can now get there in a couple of hours by train to get your STDs, switchblades and loco weed.


45 posted on 07/06/2012 9:26:23 PM PDT by Freedom_Is_Not_Free (REPEAL OBAMACARE. Nothing else matters.)
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To: SnuffaBolshevik

Gilroy as well as Visalia, so the high speed rail line won’t have any passengers but they will get onions and garlic to market in an hour or its free!


46 posted on 07/06/2012 9:28:49 PM PDT by Freedom_Is_Not_Free (REPEAL OBAMACARE. Nothing else matters.)
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To: packrat35

I am not among the Californians who thing this communist controlled cesspool of liberal insanity can be saved.

California is a one party Democrat state. There are 4 registered Democrat voters for every 3 GOP registered voters.

California is the ONLY state in the USA that elected more Democrats during Obama’s 2010 blood bath. Every other state picked up GOP House members and Governors. NOT California. We elected three of the most mentally impaired San Francisco bay area politicians to state wide office — San Francisco attorney general Kamila Harris to State attorney general, San Francisco Mayor Gavin Newsome to Lt. Governor, and that starry eyed utopian crack-pot, Oakland Mayor Jerry Brown to Governor.

Do you need any more evidence that we are doomed.

And this before you consider that California has 1/3 of all of the welfare cases in the USA. The other 49 US states combined only have double the number of welfare recipients that California has alone.

This before you consider that California has about 20% of all of the illegal immigrants in the nation.

We are completely doomed.

Some here keep posting to stay and fight for the fine weather and sandy beaches. Sorry, but I’m not into Auschwitz on the beach. I’ll take freedom in a barren desert before I’ll take tyranny on a sandy beach.

No, the day I retire, I am off to fight for a state at risk of being over-run by liberals, but can still be saved with an influx of conservatives.


47 posted on 07/06/2012 9:38:30 PM PDT by Freedom_Is_Not_Free (REPEAL OBAMACARE. Nothing else matters.)
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To: Jim Robinson

Ha! good luck...

Merced to Bakersfield first leg.

Makes sense, emanate domain to destroy some farms.

I thought this was dead in the water a few weeks ago.

Amazing what J. Brown can do with his palm well greased


48 posted on 07/06/2012 9:47:33 PM PDT by Syncro (Sarah Palin, the unofficial Tea Party candidate for president--Virtual Jerusalem)
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To: Free ThinkerNY

China must have California’s money. Arnold promised it and Jerry is delivering.


49 posted on 07/06/2012 9:58:31 PM PDT by hedgetrimmer
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To: Freedom_Is_Not_Free

How can it be High-Speed Rail if it has to make all those stops ?


50 posted on 07/06/2012 10:02:52 PM PDT by PLMerite (Shut the Beyotch Down! Burn, baby, burn!)
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