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On the Precipice Of a New Energy Source?
Journal of Petroleum Technology ^ | July 2012 | Steve Jacobs, COO, and Patrick Leach, CEO, Decision Strategies

Posted on 07/07/2012 7:25:43 AM PDT by Kevmo

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To: Moonman62
"I didn't post to you. I put my own username in the reply field."

I use the same criteria for "to me" as you use about posts that mention but are not about "Rossi". Your quibble is a distinction without a difference, but completely reflects your usual intellectual dishonesty. DO NOT POST TO OR ABOUT ME. And I will grant you the same "courtesy".

81 posted on 07/09/2012 7:57:33 AM PDT by Wonder Warthog
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To: Wonder Warthog
DO NOT POST TO OR ABOUT ME. And I will grant you the same "courtesy".

No deal.

The stuff you post here on FR needs to be questioned and criticized.

Since Kevmo already reported me to the mods last night, and I'm still here, I'm going to assume that my questioning and criticism is acceptable.

In return, if you want to post about me, or criticize what I say, then I'm fine with that. Just don't try to squelch my speech that FR seems to find acceptable.

82 posted on 07/09/2012 8:24:34 AM PDT by Moonman62 (The US has become a government with a country, rather than a country with a government.)
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To: Toddsterpatriot

Kevmo: Naturally, since Rossi has dominated the LENR news in the last 18 months, there are a lot of articles mentioning Rossi. But the article is about LENR, not Rossi.

Toddriot:
Maybe if you posted fewer articles mentioning Rossi, you’d get fewer comments about his fraudulent past (and present).
***You just blithely ignore the sentence, post your bowlsheet and continue forward. Your attempts at minimally critical thinking have proven incredibly inane.


83 posted on 07/09/2012 11:29:35 PM PDT by Kevmo ( FRINAGOPWIASS: Free Republic Is Not A GOP Website. It's A Socon Site.)
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To: Moonman62
"The stuff you post here on FR needs to be questioned and criticized."

Horseshit. If you actually engaged in honest scientific criticism, it would be one thing. You WILL NOT do that. I've made more than a good faith effort to get you to discuss the science, and you have used every tactic imaginable to avoid doing so.

You and those like you are WORSE than Rossi. If Rossi dupes a few investors, that is simply money. You skeptopaths are destroying the honest, open practice of science.

But obviously in your case, the only answer is the time-honored one of "don't feed the trolls". I'm done with anything whatsoever to do with you.

84 posted on 07/10/2012 4:18:43 AM PDT by Wonder Warthog
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To: Kevmo
Naturally, since Rossi has dominated the LENR news in the last 18 months, there are a lot of articles mentioning Rossi.

It's true, there have been lots of stories about his fraud.

Your attempts at minimally critical thinking have proven incredibly inane.

Coming from you, hilarious.

85 posted on 07/10/2012 5:08:19 AM PDT by Toddsterpatriot (Math is hard. Harder if you're stupid.)
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To: fuente

“Correlation of excess power and helium production during D2O and H2O electrolysis using palladium cathodes”

peer reviewed paper, published in 1993:

http://lenr-canr.org/acrobat/MilesMcorrelatio.pdf

replicated in 2002 (among several others) by these folks:

“EXPERIMENTAL EVIDENCE OF 4HE PRODUCTION IN A COLD FUSION EXPERIMENT”

http://www.lenr-canr.org/acrobat/DeNinnoAexperiment.pdf

Here is (a very small part of) the science.....show me the voodoo.


86 posted on 07/10/2012 5:15:33 AM PDT by Wonder Warthog
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To: Wonder Warthog
“Correlation of excess power and helium production during D2O and H2O electrolysis using palladium cathodes”

This is much more likely to be successful than fusing nickel and hydrogen.

87 posted on 07/10/2012 5:39:12 AM PDT by Toddsterpatriot (Math is hard. Harder if you're stupid.)
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To: Wonder Warthog
http://www.lenr-canr.org/acrobat/DeNinnoAexperiment.pdf

That appears to be a report made on the ENEA website, not an article from a peer reviewed journal.

88 posted on 07/10/2012 6:02:44 AM PDT by Moonman62 (The US has become a government with a country, rather than a country with a government.)
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To: Toddsterpatriot

This is much more likely to be successful than fusing nickel and hydrogen.
***It is utterly amazing to see just how dense you are. The excess power comes from the same fusing process in Deuterium as it does in the D/Pd system as it does in the H/Ni system, and the ONLY way to get helium production from either process is through fusion.

At a certain point, I suppose all you deserve is pity and the thanks for bumping the thread.


89 posted on 07/10/2012 6:05:59 AM PDT by Kevmo ( FRINAGOPWIASS: Free Republic Is Not A GOP Website. It's A Socon Site.)
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To: Toddsterpatriot

At a certain point, you’ve demonstrated that all you deserve is pity and the thanks for bumping the thread.


90 posted on 07/10/2012 6:07:12 AM PDT by Kevmo ( FRINAGOPWIASS: Free Republic Is Not A GOP Website. It's A Socon Site.)
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To: Kevmo
The excess power comes from the same fusing process in Deuterium as it does in the D/Pd system as it does in the H/Ni system,

The same fusing process? D fuses to form He.

Your favorite fraud claims to produce copper.

and the ONLY way to get helium production from either process is through fusion.

Now Rossi is producing helium?

At a certain point, I suppose all you deserve is pity and the thanks for bumping the thread.

I'm just glad you've stopped whining.

91 posted on 07/10/2012 6:29:38 AM PDT by Toddsterpatriot (Math is hard. Harder if you're stupid.)
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To: Toddsterpatriot

thanks for bumping the thread


92 posted on 07/10/2012 6:43:22 AM PDT by Kevmo ( FRINAGOPWIASS: Free Republic Is Not A GOP Website. It's A Socon Site.)
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To: Kevmo

Don’t cry.


93 posted on 07/10/2012 7:17:18 AM PDT by Toddsterpatriot (Math is hard. Harder if you're stupid.)
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To: Toddsterpatriot
"This is much more likely to be successful than fusing nickel and hydrogen."

I don't believe that Rossi "is" fusing nickel and hydrogen. IMO, that is misdirection to lead any competitors off on a wild goose chase. I've seen at least one article that agrees with that view (I "think" it was from Dr. Godel at Brillouin). He believes (as do I) that the final product in Rossi's case is He4, and lays out the scenario by which that happens.

94 posted on 07/10/2012 10:16:50 AM PDT by Wonder Warthog
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To: Wonder Warthog
I don't believe that Rossi "is" fusing nickel and hydrogen. IMO, that is misdirection

I see, so when I mention the unlikelihood of Rossi's lies, that makes me a Luddite.

Thanks, now it all makes sense.

95 posted on 07/10/2012 12:21:11 PM PDT by Toddsterpatriot (Math is hard. Harder if you're stupid.)
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To: Toddsterpatriot
"I see, so when I mention the unlikelihood of Rossi's lies, that makes me a Luddite. Thanks, now it all makes sense.

Actually, it is the explanation that makes the most sense of all available data. The core of Rossi's claims are true....he is generating large amounts of energy from LENR. This central fact is attested to by a large number of independent witnesses in many demonstrations (the skeptopaths deny this). Another fact is that Rossi's patent protection is weak to non-existent. A third high probability is that Rossi's system is not sufficiently stable for really long-term operation. So, it makes absolute sense for Rossi to mislead potential competitors by feeding misdirection on various details.

Like it or not, the above scenario fits more of the publicly avialable data than any other.

96 posted on 07/10/2012 12:54:05 PM PDT by Wonder Warthog
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To: Wonder Warthog
The core of Rossi's claims are true....he is generating large amounts of energy from LENR. This central fact is attested to by a large number of independent witnesses in many demonstrations (the skeptopaths deny this).

Unless he allows independent testing of his "coolant", I'm not convinced it isn't a chemical reaction.

Another fact is that Rossi's patent protection is weak to non-existent.

His credibility too.

Like it or not, the above scenario fits more of the publicly avialable data than any other.

Complete fraud is still more likely.

97 posted on 07/10/2012 1:01:36 PM PDT by Toddsterpatriot (Math is hard. Harder if you're stupid.)
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To: Toddsterpatriot
"Unless he allows independent testing of his "coolant", I'm not convinced it isn't a chemical reaction."

No possible chemical reaction can provide the level of energy measured. Despite all the hoopla to the contrary, the measurements were NOT either badly done or inaccurate. In this area I am a genuine expert. The supposed "errors" are all bullshit.

"His credibility too."

Which is why the observations of the different attendees are important evidence. It isn't just Rossi.

"Complete fraud is still more likely."

Based on the totality of available data, no.

You are, of course, free to believe whatever you like, as I am, despite the self-appointed posting police.

98 posted on 07/10/2012 2:37:19 PM PDT by Wonder Warthog
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To: Wonder Warthog
What you're saying here:
"Unless he allows independent testing of his "coolant", I'm not convinced it isn't a chemical reaction."

No possible chemical reaction can provide the level of energy measured. Despite all the hoopla to the contrary, the measurements were NOT either badly done or inaccurate. In this area I am a genuine expert. The supposed "errors" are all bullshit.

"His credibility too."

Which is why the observations of the different attendees are important evidence. It isn't just Rossi.

"Complete fraud is still more likely."

Based on the totality of available data, no.

Doesn't match what you're saying here:
You and those like you are WORSE than Rossi. If Rossi dupes a few investors, that is simply money.
You seem to have your doubts.
99 posted on 07/10/2012 4:05:57 PM PDT by Moonman62 (The US has become a government with a country, rather than a country with a government.)
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To: Wonder Warthog
No possible chemical reaction can provide the level of energy measured.

How can you say that? How many gallons of "coolant" did he push though the system? What if it wasn't coolant?

Which is why the observations of the different attendees are important evidence. It isn't just Rossi.

If they're only looking with their eyes, how good is the evidence?

100 posted on 07/10/2012 4:33:18 PM PDT by Toddsterpatriot (Math is hard. Harder if you're stupid.)
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