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To: lowbridge
The other day I saw a parks & rec "cop" hassling some bewildered tourist for riding his bicycle on a footpath in Central Park. I heard, Lemme see some ID!

Giuliani was tough but fair. These people are self-worshipping power junkies.

6 posted on 07/08/2012 4:53:29 AM PDT by the invisib1e hand (A Dalmation was spotted wagging its tail.)
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To: the invisib1e hand

I refuse to bicycle in Central Park. The bike lanes are demolition derbies and you are forced onto footpaths where cops come after you. Who needs it?


13 posted on 07/08/2012 5:19:23 AM PDT by miss marmelstein
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To: the invisib1e hand
Giuliani was tough but fair. These people are self-worshipping power junkies.

Yes that is very true and these left wing tyrants deserve every ounce of condemnation they get. But the story is more than that.

New York City is a place where there concentrated population density. Put rats in a confined place and they begin to turn on each other resulting in aggressive behavior. If you think of New York City as a giant Skinner box and Mayor Bloomberg the wizard operating the levers which deliver the rewards to the rats in the box, it is inevitable that he will try as he has to manipulate and control behavior. He will tell the rats what kind of pellets they can eat, and he will tell them when and where they can dance. He will cease being a Mayor and start being a wizard.

But the analogy to the Skinner box breaks down because Mayor Bloomberg does not have absolute control, he must insinuate his police force in among the the rats to quell the aggression and impose the kind of control his ambition desires. When you have a police force bigger than the Coast Guard and when you have 8 million people interacting with that large a police force, bizarre situations are going to erupt. Inevitably, the aggressive behavior of the rats, even the harmless but bizarre behavior of the rats is going to generate within that police force an us against them mentality.

Now Mayor Bloomberg is forced to choose between his established order and common sense, he must choose whether to support the culture of his bureaucratic institutions without which a city of 8 million people will degenerate into an extremely uncivil society. With 8 million people there is an institutional bias towards the institution's culture and against commonsense. If you have millions of those 8 million people who are not culturally assimilated to begin with, whose religion is different, whose language is different, whose idea of morality is different, whose idea of the rule of law is different, and whose respect for the rule of law is vastly different, we will see aggravated every tension among the rats themselves and by the rats against the institution.

By the way, if you want to generate a nice argument on these threads take up my position that overpopulation, or density of population, is itself a threat to a civil society, to a society protected by the Bill of Rights, a society that we conservatives treasure and whose agonizing death by 1000 cuts we are witnessing.


21 posted on 07/08/2012 5:35:17 AM PDT by nathanbedford ("Attack, repeat, attack!" Bull Halsey)
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To: the invisib1e hand
Giuliani was tough but fair. These people are self-worshipping power junkies.

Surprise at the leftist abuse of authoritarian powers created under an erstwhile conservative is a recurring theme, it would seem. DHS, anyone?

23 posted on 07/08/2012 5:41:18 AM PDT by RegulatorCountry
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To: the invisib1e hand
Anybody venturing into NYC deserves everything that happens to them.

If the crooks don't get you, the cops and the City Apparatchiks certainly will.

33 posted on 07/08/2012 6:46:59 AM PDT by Rome2000 (WILLARD ROMNEY -- MORMON MELCHIDEZEK BISHOP -HIS FAMILY HAS AVOIDED MILITARY SERVICE FOR GENERATIONS)
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