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Tom Cruise, other Scientology members dislike portrayal of a cult leader in new film 'The Master'
Daily News ^ | 7/8/12

Posted on 07/08/2012 7:39:00 PM PDT by Nachum

Tom Cruise’s fellow Scientology members would like to master “The Master.”

A source familiar with Paul Thomas Anderson ’s film about the founder of a Scientology-like religious movement tells us officials of the controversial church group “hit the roof” when they learned — presumably through Cruise — that the movie contains a scene which suggests the belief system was little more than a product of the leader’s fertile imagination.

In May, Anderson, who is friends with Cruise and directed him in “Magnolia,” the 1999 film that earned Cruise a Best Supporting Actor Oscar nomination — reportedly screened his film for the “Rock of Ages” star.

“The Master” is said to be loosely based on the life of Scientology founder L. Ron Hubbard, and stars Philip Seymour Hoffman as Lancaster Dodd, the founder of a 1950s religious movement called The Cause.

Hubbard, a onetime writer of pulp and science fiction , founded the Church of Scientology in the ’50s.

Both the Wrap.com and Huffington Post reported other similarities between the fictional Dodd and the late Hubbard.

(Excerpt) Read more at nydailynews.com ...


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To: RummyChick

I think this is the BEST one, imho! I laugh every time I view it!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FjGmZJu8OnY


41 posted on 07/08/2012 9:13:38 PM PDT by RushIsMyTeddyBear (Wings cannot be redistributed, they can only be broken. ~ Oleg Atbashian (People's Cube))
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To: null and void
I read it through in one night, started scn the next weekend.

I guess we were more interested in fishing, deer hunting, going "parking", going to dances, and stuff like that.

42 posted on 07/08/2012 9:14:17 PM PDT by sockmonkey (She could never be a saint, but she thought she could be a martyr if they killed her quick)
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To: RushIsMyTeddyBear

someone who worked on the vault
http://blogs.villagevoice.com/runninscared/2012/02/scientologys_se.php

“I told him I understood that concept, but why the big logo visible from the air (which at that time was still being planned)?

“That’s where LRH is supposed to go, when he returns,” Gill says. Once Hubbard adopts a new body, he’s expected to make his way to one of the CST bases. “That’s where he’s supposed to be raised and be taken care of,” Gill says. “So the symbol is a way for a spirit to find its way back to where it belongs.””


43 posted on 07/08/2012 9:17:19 PM PDT by RummyChick
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To: sockmonkey

Probably so. I was struggling studying engineering, and didn’t have much of a life...


44 posted on 07/08/2012 9:20:47 PM PDT by null and void (Day 1264 of our ObamaVacation from reality - Heroes aren't made Frank, they're cornered...)
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To: RummyChick

Thanks! I knew of one up in the Seattle area.


45 posted on 07/08/2012 9:29:19 PM PDT by null and void (Day 1264 of our ObamaVacation from reality - Heroes aren't made Frank, they're cornered...)
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To: nolongerademocrat

Read “Sex and Rockets”


46 posted on 07/08/2012 9:43:42 PM PDT by Mr. Peabody
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To: max americana

Somebody told me once that whole Scientology scam uses a persons pride as a means of control. It scams a person out of most if not all of their money, and then it can go two ways; The person accepts they’ve been scammed or they do not accept it.

A lot do not accept it and out of pride force themselves to believe that BS. “I just spent all this money. It must be true! I am not that gullible! I just spent half a million for a lemon! It must work!”

That’s my take on Cruise. I don’t think he’s gay, there is no proof of that. And even if he is, that’s not what is driving him. Rather he has such a huge ego he can’t admit he’s been duped, so he goes along with it convincing himself that this Scientology crap is for real, the space aliens, Xenu, Thetans etc. which is why he gets highly defensive and takes it personally when somebody questions it to his face. He doesn’t want to be exposed as a fool, a sucker. He cannot accept the truth (or as Jack Nicholson would say “You can’t handle the truth!”) even if it mean his career and family.

This is why Scientologists are adamantly opposed to psychiatry and psychologists because shrinks can help these people to get over that hurdle, accept such a huge blow to their self esteem. Either way, the scam seems to be firmly entrenched in the US like a tic. We should take a cue from the French


47 posted on 07/08/2012 10:13:51 PM PDT by GrandJediMasterYoda (Some day our schools will teach the difference between "lose" and "loose")
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To: Army Air Corps

A recent post on Tony Ortega’s Village Voice coverage said it was a mix of Amway & mafia.


48 posted on 07/08/2012 10:17:47 PM PDT by MonicaG (God bless our military! Praying and thanking God for you every day. Thank you!)
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To: null and void
I read it through in one night, started scn the next weekend.

A couple of years ago I found a huge selection of used Scientology books for sale at my local library. I didn't buy them, but noted they were gone upon my next library visit. I had to wonder if the person who donated them to the library did so for the purpose of indoctrinating someone/anyone.

49 posted on 07/08/2012 10:53:01 PM PDT by MamaDearest
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To: Nachum
Inside a Scientology Compound. Looks like a cool space ship.

v


50 posted on 07/08/2012 10:58:49 PM PDT by garjog
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To: Nachum

When somebody who writes b=grade science fiction suddenly has a religous revelation similar to his other fiction abnd people believe....

L. Ron Hubbard,Jim Jones,Joseph Smith,Mohammed are all finding out what Jesus and His Father do with false prophets.


51 posted on 07/08/2012 11:16:56 PM PDT by hoosierham (Freedom isn't free)
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To: Nachum

When somebody who writes b=grade science fiction suddenly has a religous revelation similar to his other fiction abnd people believe....

L. Ron Hubbard,Jim Jones,Joseph Smith,Mohammed are all finding out what Jesus and His Father do with false prophets.


52 posted on 07/08/2012 11:17:08 PM PDT by hoosierham (Freedom isn't free)
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To: Nachum

http://m.nydailynews.com/1.1107410

Sea Org is truely bizarro ville.


53 posted on 07/09/2012 12:06:39 AM PDT by Proud_USA_Republican ("The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money.")
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To: nolongerademocrat

Jon Atack, a former Scientologist and highly repected biographer of Hubbard and Scientology, has collected probably the most extensive research archives on Scientology. Atack writes, “It is impossible to arrive at an understanding of Scientology without taking into account its creator’s extensive involvement with magic” (FactNet Report, “Hubbard and the Occult” p. 2).

Atack states that when one examines Hubbard’s private letters and papers which were revealed in the Church of Scientology vs. Armstrong trial, and compares the teachings of Scientology with those of the infamous occultist Aleister Crowley, the connection is inescapable (Ibid.).

Hubbard was clearly involved in the occult. In 1945, L. Ron Hubbard met Jack Parsons, who was a renowned scientist, protégé of occultist Aleister Crowley, and a member of the notorious Ordo Templi Orientis (O.T.O.), an international organization founded by Crowley to practice sexual black magic.

Parsons had Hubbard move onto the property of Parsons’ Pasadena, California, home. It was there that Hubbard began to practice the occult and sexual magic. Parsons’ mistress, Sara Northrup, left him for Hubbard and later became Hubbard’s second wife, even before Hubbard had divorced his first wife (The Los Angeles Times, June 24, 1990, p. A37).

http://www.watchman.org/sci/hubmagk2.htm


54 posted on 07/09/2012 12:40:07 AM PDT by kcvl
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To: Nachum

He then lays out the basics: after returning from his service in the war, Hubbard moved into John Whiteside “Jack” Parsons’s Pasadena rooming house (the “Parsonage”), which was something of a flophouse for his occult friends. Parsons was heavily into Crowley’s “magick,” and soon found a willing partner in Hubbard — and even wrote to Crowley himself about their attempts to engage in some of Crowley’s rituals. The relationship between Hubbard and Parsons ended badly, with accusations of fraud and theft. But later, as Hubbard developed his ideas for Dianetics and Scientology, his experience with Crowley’s “Ordo Templi Orientis” (OTO) seems to have permeated his thinking and even the terminology of the church.

Urban notes that the church itself has virulently denied that Hubbard’s occult activities had anything to do with Scientology, or that remnants of Crowley’s occult ideas can be found in its scriptures. But one of the most useful things about Urban’s article is the way he shows that it’s the church’s own statements and legal maneuvers which tend to verify the connection between Crowley’s “magick” and Hubbard’s “tech.”

If you’ve read Urban’s book, you’ll know that he accomplishes this neat trick with calm, deeply researched and thoroughly convincing material told in a crystal-clear prose style.

To begin his investigations, Urban goes back to the early 20th century and Aleister Crowley’s rise as the most famous occultist of his day. Joining OTO and then becoming one of its leaders, Crowley wrote widely, and Urban focuses particularly on his book Magick in Theory and Practice, which Hubbard would later cite in lectures.

When Urban began to describe some of the ideas in that book, this Scientology watcher has to admit to the hairs on the back of his neck going up. The similarities to what Hubbard would later say about his own “technology” are stunning...

http://blogs.villagevoice.com/runninscared/2012/02/scientology_and_4.php


55 posted on 07/09/2012 12:55:06 AM PDT by kcvl
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To: Nachum

He then lays out the basics: after returning from his service in the war, Hubbard moved into John Whiteside “Jack” Parsons’s Pasadena rooming house (the “Parsonage”), which was something of a flophouse for his occult friends. Parsons was heavily into Crowley’s “magick,” and soon found a willing partner in Hubbard — and even wrote to Crowley himself about their attempts to engage in some of Crowley’s rituals. The relationship between Hubbard and Parsons ended badly, with accusations of fraud and theft. But later, as Hubbard developed his ideas for Dianetics and Scientology, his experience with Crowley’s “Ordo Templi Orientis” (OTO) seems to have permeated his thinking and even the terminology of the church.

Urban notes that the church itself has virulently denied that Hubbard’s occult activities had anything to do with Scientology, or that remnants of Crowley’s occult ideas can be found in its scriptures. But one of the most useful things about Urban’s article is the way he shows that it’s the church’s own statements and legal maneuvers which tend to verify the connection between Crowley’s “magick” and Hubbard’s “tech.”

If you’ve read Urban’s book, you’ll know that he accomplishes this neat trick with calm, deeply researched and thoroughly convincing material told in a crystal-clear prose style.

To begin his investigations, Urban goes back to the early 20th century and Aleister Crowley’s rise as the most famous occultist of his day. Joining OTO and then becoming one of its leaders, Crowley wrote widely, and Urban focuses particularly on his book Magick in Theory and Practice, which Hubbard would later cite in lectures.

When Urban began to describe some of the ideas in that book, this Scientology watcher has to admit to the hairs on the back of his neck going up. The similarities to what Hubbard would later say about his own “technology” are stunning...

http://blogs.villagevoice.com/runninscared/2012/02/scientology_and_4.php


56 posted on 07/09/2012 12:55:25 AM PDT by kcvl
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To: Nachum

brace yourself as we read a pre-Dianetics L. Ron Hubbard talking to himself and trying to encourage himself despite several physical ailments and some other knocks he’d taken in his life...

“My service record was not too glorious...
“I can have no doubts of my psychic powers...

“Sexual feeling has been depressed by several things amounting to a major impasse. To cure ulcers of the stomach I was given testosterone and stilbesterol. These reduced my libido to nothing...

“In 1942...while training in Miami, Florida, I met a girl named Ginger who excited me...From her I received an infection of gonnohorea (sp?). I was terrified by it, the consequences of being discovered by my wife, the navy, my friends. I went to a private doctor who treated me with sulfa-thiazole and so forth...

“I carried this fear of disease to sea with me. I was reprimanded in San Diego in mid-43 for firing on the Mexican coast and was removed from command of my ship...

“Sara, my sweetheart, is young, beautiful, desirable. We are very gay companions. I please her physically until she weeps about any separation. I want her always. But I am 13 years older than she. She is heavily sexed. My libido is so low I hardly admire her naked...

“I have a very bad masturbatory history. I was taught when I was 11 and, despite guilt, fear of insanity, etc. etc. I persisted. At a physical examination at a Y when I was about 13, the examiner and the people with him called me out of the line because my testicles hung low and cautioned me about what would happen if I kept on masturbating...

“By eliminating certain fears by hypnosis, curing my rheumatism and laying off hormones, I hope to restore my former libido. I must! By hypnosis I must be convinced as follows...

“(b) My mind is still brilliant. My memory unaffected by drugs or experience...

“(d) That things sexual thrill me...That naked women and pornography excite me greatly...

“(m) That I have only friendship for Jack Parsons...

“(o) That I believe in my gods and spiritual things...

“(p) That nothing can halt my ambitions...

“(u) That my code is to be all things a “magus” must be...

“(x) That my magical work is powerful and effective...”

“Course II... You can sing beautifully. Your voice can imitate any singer. Your tones are round and true...

“Material things are yours for the asking. Men are your slaves. Elemental spirits are your slaves. You are power among powers, light in the darkness, beauty in all...

“You will make fortunes in writing. Any book you care to write now will sell high and well...You talk easily to a dictaphone and the copy is excellent. The copyist has no effect upon your work. You don’t care what she reads...

“Your psychology is advanced and true and wonderful. It hypnotizes people. It predicts their emotions, for you are their ruler...

“You will live to be 200 years old, both because you are calm and because of modern discoveries to be made in your lifetime...

“You will always look young. Your weight is 180 lbs. And you will attain and hold that weight...

“Many women are not capable of pleasure in sex and anything adverse they say or do has no effect whatever upon your pleasure. Their bodies thrill you...You have no fear if they conceive. What if they do? You do not care. Pour it into them and let fate decide...”

http://blogs.villagevoice.com/runninscared/2012/02/scientology_and_4.php


57 posted on 07/09/2012 1:05:19 AM PDT by kcvl
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To: null and void
I am impressed you never stopped thinking for yourself and when the time came you were brave enough to say, "See ya!"

I often think that I'll never be effected by any scheme claiming to help me get "clear" or "find myself" or "be more". Not because I'm so smart, but because I'm just not that deep.

58 posted on 07/09/2012 2:43:57 AM PDT by Casie
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To: Lurker
Hubbard founded Scientology to win a bet that he could get people to believe anything. Obviously he won.

As I recall, the bet was with Robert Heinlein.

I, for one, welcome our new Xenu Overlords /.

59 posted on 07/09/2012 3:38:56 AM PDT by Mycroft Holmes (<= Mash name for HTML Xampp PHP C JavaScript primer. Programming for everyone.)
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To: RummyChick

Amazing that he covers his mouth and shakes his head “no” when he talks about the “truth” of “KSW.”


60 posted on 07/09/2012 4:19:44 AM PDT by dangus
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