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Get rid of the right to bear arms (NYT article on revising the Constitution)
The New York Times ^ | 7/8/2012 | Melynda Price

Posted on 07/09/2012 5:30:24 AM PDT by darrellmaurina

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To: darrellmaurina

When the RTBA is taken away, freedom of the press should also be taken away. One freedom is not more precious than another.


61 posted on 07/09/2012 6:53:25 AM PDT by txrefugee
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To: Robe
Aw, shiite. Another affirmative action case who would be flipping burgers or turnings tricks if it wasn't for Pell grants and other people making excuses for her stupidity.

Oh, wait, I'd better speak nicely of her. She might be a future president.

62 posted on 07/09/2012 6:59:24 AM PDT by Flatus I. Maximus (OVERTHROW OBAMA!)
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To: Robe

How did I know.


63 posted on 07/09/2012 7:02:41 AM PDT by Lazamataz (People who resort to Godwin's Law are just like Hitler.)
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To: darrellmaurina

The fact of the matter is if you don’t live in a major American city, your chances of getting shot are about the same a number of gun-hating Euro states. I live in an area with a metro population of approx 125k. There were three murders in my area last year. And a ton of guns. It does not occur to most people in this area as being a good idea to pick up a gun and shoot someone.


64 posted on 07/09/2012 7:03:46 AM PDT by driftless2
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To: jboot

Thank you for reminding me of that truth! We must never underestimate the depths of evil that liberals will sink to in order to advance their Marxist agenda. Still, I think that the average garden variety liberal is deluded, uninformed, and misguided, and believe they are doing good. They are clueless, but they support those who are evil.


65 posted on 07/09/2012 7:13:40 AM PDT by Freestate316
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To: sawmill trash

Feel free to use it.


66 posted on 07/09/2012 7:16:00 AM PDT by umgud (No Rats, No Rino's)
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To: darrellmaurina

It should be pointed out to this columnist that the problem is not the availability of guns, but the willingness of slave descended (SD) black Americans to exterminate themselves and each other.

In this case, since 95% of black homicides are by other black people, the BIG question that should be asked is what is motivating black people to kill other black people? With the idea that whatever it is needs to stop. A black problem, not caused by racism, not caused by “The Man”, but caused by black people who *want* to kill other black people.

Oddly enough, there is an answer to the question of WHAT is causing black people to kill each other. It is the same answer as to why black women are aborting their babies at a very high rate, and why a quarter of black men are arrested and imprisoned for committing felonies.

It all goes back to one thing: Having sex and children out of wedlock. It’s really that simple.

When black women want sex without marriage, the smarter ones get long term birth control, which makes them effectively sterile during the best years for having and rearing children, in a rather small window of time from the ages of 15 to for practical reasons, about 35. 20 years for reproduction, that once lost, are gone.

Those black women who do not do this and get pregnant, get abortions at a very high rate, about 38,000 a year just in NYC alone. 38,000 fewer black children in just that city is going to have a major impact sooner rather than later.

Then of those black women who have their children, 70% of their babies are born out of wedlock. Illegitimate.

When a child is raised by a couple, their motivation is for personal success and prosperity. But when a child is raised by a single parent, their motivation is not success, but *survival*. This explains why children raised by single mothers are 60% more likely to become criminal offenders.

Being brainwashed into thinking that blacks are oppressed and victimized is just icing on the cake. It gives blacks an excuse to assume they will never amount to anything, so they might as well live lives of hedonism. Why get married? Why not abuse drugs and alcohol? Why not commit crimes? Instead of living good lives, why not embrace aggression and anti-social behavior?

After all, none of the bad things that happen to blacks are their own fault. This is what they are told and believe. And many build up a sense of deep resentment, hate and racism against non-blacks.

And yet the vast majority of their problems are caused by just this one thing. If they again become moral, many of their problems will just evaporate.


67 posted on 07/09/2012 7:18:05 AM PDT by yefragetuwrabrumuy
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To: darrellmaurina
I always wonder if, but for the Second Amendment, there would be a more radical commitment to compromise and peacefully working through easy and difficult issues.

I just snorted coffee all over my monitor.

68 posted on 07/09/2012 7:19:58 AM PDT by Redcloak (Mitt Romney: Puttin' the "Country club" back in "Republican".)
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To: darrellmaurina

http://www.minutemanrkba.com/americas-founders-on-rkba.html

SAMUEL ADAMS:

“Among the natural rights of the Colonists are these: First, a right to life; Secondly, to liberty; Thirdly, to property; together with the right to support and defend them in the best manner they can. … it is the greatest absurdity to suppose it in the power of one, or any number of men, at entering into society, to renounce their essential natural rights, or the means of preserving those rights; when the grand end of civil government, from the very nature of its institution, is for the support, protection, and defense of those very rights; the principal of which, as is before observed, are Life, Liberty, and Property. If men, through fear, fraud, or mistake, should in terms renounce or give up any essential natural right, the eternal law of reason and the grand end of society would absolutely vacate such renunciation. The right to freedom being the gift of God Almighty, it is not in the power of man to alienate this gift and voluntarily become a slave.” – The Rights of the Colonists (November 20, 1772)

“The said Constitution [shall] be never construed to authorize Congress to infringe the just liberty of the press, or the rights of conscience; or to prevent the people of the United States, who are peaceable citizens, from keeping their own arms; or to raise standing armies, unless necessary for the defense of the United States, or of some one or more of them.” – Debates & Proceedings in the Convention of the Commonwealth of Massachusetts (February 6, 1788)

“The Militia is composed of free citizens. There is therefore no danger of their making use of their power to the destruction of their own Rights, or suffering others to invade them.”

“... whereas, to preserve liberty, it is essential that the whole body of the people always possess arms, and be taught alike, especially when young, how to use them...” – Constitutional Debates of the Massachusetts Convention of 1788 (also attributed to A Federal Farmer, the anti-federalist)

GEORGE WASHINGTON:

“To be prepared for war is one of the most effectual means of preserving peace. A free people ought not only to be armed, but disciplined; to which end a uniform and well-digested plan is requisite; and their safety and interest require that they should promote such manufactories as tend to render them independent of others for essential, particularly military, supplies.” – First Annual Message to Congress; Federal Hall, New York City (January 8, 1790)

THOMAS JEFFERSON:

“The laws that forbid the carrying of arms...disarm only those who are neither inclined nor determined to commit crimes. Can it be supposed that those who have the courage to violate the most sacred laws of humanity...will respect the less important and arbitrary ones... Such laws make things worse for the assaulted and better for the assailants, they serve rather to encourage than to prevent homicides, for an unarmed man may be attacked with greater confidence than an armed man.” – quoted from Enlightenment philosopher Cesare Beccaria’s On Crimes and Punishment, 1764; translated by Jefferson and copied into his Commonplace Book of great quotations.

“No freeman shall be debarred the use of arms [within his own lands or tenements].” – Draft Constitution for Virginia; June 13, 1776 (brackets in Jefferson’s original)

“Every able bodied freeman, between the ages of 16 and 50, is enrolled in the militia. … The law requires every militia-man to provide himself with the arms usual in the regular service.” – Notes on the State of Virginia, written by Jefferson, published in 1781, updated in 1782

“A strong body makes the mind strong. As to the species of exercises, I advise the gun. While this gives moderate exercise to the body, it gives boldness, enterprise and independence to the mind. Games played with the ball and others of that nature, are too violent for the body and stamp no character on the mind. Let your gun therefore be the constant companion of your walks.” – letter to nephew Peter Carr (August 19, 1785)

“What country before, every existed a century and a half without a rebellion? And what country can preserve its liberties, if its rulers are not warned from time to time, that his people preserve the spirit of resistance? Let them take arms. … What signify a few lives lost in a century or two? The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time, with the blood of patriots and tyrants. It is its natural manure.” – letter to Colonel William S. Smith, Paris (November 13, 1787)

“I enclose you a list of the killed, wounded, and captives of the enemy from the commencement of hostilities at Lexington in April, 1775, until November, 1777, since which there has been no event of any consequence... I think that upon the whole it has been about one half the number lost by them, in some instances more, but in others less. This difference is ascribed to our superiority in taking aim when we fire; every soldier in our army having been intimate with his gun from his infancy.” – letter to Giovanni Fabbroni (June 8, 1788)

“…the governor [is] constitutionally the commander of the militia of the State, that is to say, of every man in it able to bear arms…”. – letter to Destutt de Tracy (January 26, 1811)

“On every question of construction [of the Constitution] let us carry ourselves back to the time when the Constitution was adopted, recollect the spirit manifested in the debates, and instead of trying what meaning may be squeezed out of the text, or invent against it, conform to the probable one in which it was passed.” – letter to William Johnson (June 12, 1823)

“The constitutions of most of our States assert, that all power is inherent in the people; that they may exercise it by themselves, in all cases to which they think themselves competent, (as in electing their functionaries executive and legislative, and deciding by a jury of themselves, in all judiciary cases in which any fact is involved) or they may act by representatives, freely and equally chosen; that it is their right and duty to be at all times armed; that they are entitled to freedom of person, freedom of religion, freedom of property, and freedom of the press.” – letter to Major John Cartwright (June 5, 1824)

THOMAS PAINE:

“The supposed quietude of a good man allures the ruffian; while on the other hand, arms like laws discourage and keep the invader and the plunderer in awe, and preserve order in the world as well as property. The same balance would be preserved were all the world destitute of arms, for all would be alike; but since some will not, others dare not lay them aside … Horrid mischief would ensue were one half the world deprived of the use of them …”. – Thoughts On Defensive War, 1775

“...in this country, every man is a militia-man...”. – The American Crisis series, # 9, dated June 9, 1780

PATRICK HENRY:

“...who are the militia, if they be not the people of this country...? I ask, who are the militia? They consist now of the whole people, except a few public officers.”

“No free government was ever founded or ever preserved its liberty, without uniting the characters of the citizen and soldier in those destined for the defense of the state.... Such are a well regulated militia, composed of the freeholders, citizen and husbandman, who take up arms to preserve their property, as individuals, and their rights as freemen.”

“The great object is that every man be armed. Everyone who is able may have a gun.” – from debates during the Constitutional convention (later quoted with approval by George Washington), as quoted in Elliot’s Debates, 1836

“That the people have a Right to mass and to bear arms; that a well regulated militia composed of the Body of the people, trained to arms, is the proper natural and safe defense of a free state...”

“Have we no means of resisting disciplined armies, when our only defense, the militia, is put in the hands of Congress? Of what service would the militia be to you when, most probably, you will not have a single musket in the state? For, as arms are to be provided by Congress, they may or may not provide them.”

“They tell us, Sir, that we are weak...but when shall we be stronger? Will it be when we are totally disarmed?

Three millions of People, armed in the holy cause of liberty, and in such a country as that which we possess, are invincible by any force which our enemy can send against us.” – The War Inevitable; speech to the Virginia assembly, March, 1775

“...a well regulated militia, composed of gentlemen and yeomen, is the natural strength and only security of a free government.”

“Guard with jealous attention the public liberty. Suspect everyone who approaches that jewel. Unfortunately, nothing will preserve it but downright force. Whenever you give up that force, you are ruined.” (in the Virginia ratifying convention)

JOHN ADAMS:

“To suppose arms in the hands of citizens, to be used at individual discretion, except in private self-defense...is a dissolution of the government.” – A Defense of the Constitutions of the Government of the United States of America, 1788, questioning the utility of private arms for the defense of the State but accepting the private right of self defense.

“Arms in the hands of citizens [may] be used at individual discretion… in private self-defense …” – A Defense of the Constitutions of the Government of the United States of America (1788)

“Here, every private person is authorized to arm himself, and on the strength of this authority, I do not deny the inhabitants had a right to arm themselves at that time, for their defense, not for offense...”. – opening statement as defense counsel for British soldiers on trial for the Boston Massacre in 1770; from the Legal Papers of John Adams, Butterfield and Zobel; 1965

JAMES MADISON:

“Let a regular army, fully equal to the resources of the country, be formed; and let it be entirely at the devotion of the federal government; still it would not be going too far to say, that the State governments, with the people on their side, would be able to repel the danger. The highest number to which, according to the best computation, a standing army can be carried in any country, does not exceed one hundredth part of the whole number of souls; or one twenty-fifth part of the number able to bear arms. This proportion would not yield, in the United States, an army of more than twenty-five or thirty thousand men. To these would be opposed a militia amounting to near half a million of citizens with arms in their hands, officered by men chosen from among themselves, fighting for their common liberties, and united and conducted by governments possessing their affections and confidence. It may well be doubted, whether a militia thus circumstanced could ever be conquered by such a proportion of regular troops. Those who are best acquainted with the last successful resistance of this country against the British arms, will be most inclined to deny the possibility of it. Besides the advantage of being armed, which the Americans possess over the people of almost every other nation, the existence of subordinate governments, to which the people are attached, and by which the militia officers are appointed, forms a barrier against the enterprises of ambition, more insurmountable than any which a simple government of any form can admit of. Notwithstanding the military establishments in the several kingdoms of Europe, which are carried as far as the public resources will bear, the governments are afraid to trust the people with arms. And it is not certain, that with this aid alone they would not be able to shake off their yokes. But were the people to possess the additional advantages of local governments chosen by themselves, who could collect the national will and direct the national force, and of officers appointed out of the militia, by these governments, and attached both to them and to the militia, it may be affirmed with the greatest assurance, that the throne of every tyranny in Europe would be speedily overturned in spite of the legions which surround it. Let us not insult the free and gallant citizens of America with the suspicion, that they would be less able to defend the rights of which they would be in actual possession, than the debased subjects of arbitrary power would be to rescue theirs from the hands of their oppressors.” – Federalist # 46

“[A] government resting on a minority is an aristocracy, not a Republic, and could not be safe with a numerical and physical force against it, without a standing army, an enslaved press, and a disarmed populace.”

JAMES MONROE:

“...the loyalists in the beginning of the late war, who objected to associating, arming and fighting, in defense of our liberties, because these measures were not constitutional. A free people should always be left... with every possible power to promote their own happiness.”

ALEXANDER HAMILTON:

“If the representatives of the people betray their constituents, there is then no recourse left but in the exertion of that original right of self defense which is paramount to all positive forms of government.” – Federalist # 28

“Little more can reasonably be aimed at with respect to the people at large than to have them properly armed and equipped...” – Federalist # 29

Further in Federalist #29, Hamilton discusses militias and standing armies in detail. He argues against a formal standing army recommending “...an excellent body of well trained militia ready to take the field whenever the defense of the State shall require it. This will not only lessen the call for military establishments, but if circumstances should at any time oblige the government to form an army of any magnitude, that army can never be formidable to the liberties of the people while there is a large body of citizens, little if at all inferior to them in discipline and the use of arms who stand ready to defend their own rights and those of their fellow citizens.” If Hamilton expected the militia to be able to stand up to and oppose the regular army, if necessary, with what would they be expected to fight, if not their own arms? That entire exposition, assuming that people would always possess their own weapons with which they could defend the People’s liberties against any formal “military establishment” of the State which might turn tyrannical, clearly shows that the idea of disarming the people was so foreign to their thinking, that they didn’t even consider it as a real possibility.

BENJAMIN FRANKLIN:

“Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch. Liberty is a well-armed lamb contesting the vote.”

GEORGE MASON:

(Virginia delegate to the Constitutional Convention of 1787, Delegate to the Virginia Constitutional Ratification Convention of 1788, helped Thomas Jefferson draft the Virginia Declaration of Rights which served as the basis for the U.S. Bill of Rights)

“[W]hen the resolution of enslaving America was formed in Great Britain, the British Parliament was advised by an artful man, who was governor of Pennsylvania, to disarm the people; that it was the best and most effectual way to enslave them; but that they should not do it openly, but weaken them, and let them sink gradually, by totally disusing and neglecting the militia.” – from debates during the Virginia state ratifying convention (June 14, 1788), quoted in Elliot’s Debates

“I ask, who are the militia? They consist now of the whole people, except a few public officers. But I cannot say who will be the militia of the future day. If that paper on the table gets no alteration, the militia of the future day may not consist of all classes, high and low, and rich and poor; but they may be confined to the lower and middle classes of the people, granting exclusion to the higher classes of the people. If we should ever see that day, the most ignominious punishments and heavy fines may be expected. Under the present government, all ranks of people are subject to militia duty. Under such a full and equal representation as ours, there can be no ignominious punishment inflicted. But under this national, or rather consolidated government, the case will be different. The representation being so small

and inadequate, they will have no fellow-feeling for the people.” – from debates during the Virginia state ratifying convention (June 16, 1788), quoted in Elliot’s Debates

“That a well-regulated militia, composed of the body of the people trained to arms, is the proper, natural and safe defense of a free state...” – Virginia Declaration of Rights (drafted by Thomas Jefferson and George Mason, with others)

“Are we at last brought to such an humiliating and debasing degradation that we cannot be trusted with arms for our own defense? Where is the difference between having our arms under our own possession and under our own direction, and having them under the management of Congress? If our defense be the real object of having those arms, in whose hands can they be trusted with more propriety, or equal safety to us, as in our own hands?”

“Guard with jealous attention the public liberty. Suspect every one who approaches that jewel. Unfortunately, nothing will preserve it but downright force. Whenever you give up that force, you are ruined.... O sir, we should have fine times, indeed, if to punish tyrants, it were only sufficient to assemble the people!”

NOAH WEBSTER:

“The militia, who are in fact the effective part of the people at large, will render many troops quite unnecessary. They will form a powerful check upon the regular troops, and will generally be sufficient to over-awe them.” – An Examination of the Leading Principles of the Federal Constitution (October 17, 1787)

“Before a standing army can rule, the people must be disarmed, as they are in almost every kingdom in Europe. The supreme power in America cannot enforce unjust laws by the sword, because the whole body of the people are armed, and constitute a force superior to any band of regular troops that can be, on any pretense, raised in the United States. A military force, at the command of Congress, can execute no laws, but such as the people perceive to be just and constitutional; for they will possess the power, and jealousy will instantly inspire the inclination, to resist the execution of a law which appears to the unjust and oppressive.” – An Examination of the Leading Principles of the Federal Constitution (October 17, 1787)

RICHARD HENRY LEE:

(Fought under George Washington, introduced the motion leading to the Declaration of Independence, signer of the Declaration of Independence; an antifederalist, elected as Virginia delegate to the Constitutional convention and refused to serve, believing the convention was an improper body to consider the new Constitution; opposed the Constitution as not sufficiently protective of individual and State’s rights; U.S. Senator from Virginia and helped secure ratification of U.S. Bill of Rights)

“A militia when properly formed are in fact the people themselves...and include all men capable of bearing arms. The Constitution ought to secure a genuine militia and guard against a select militia, by providing that the militia shall always be kept well organized, armed, and disciplined, and include...all men capable of bearing arms. The mind that aims at a select militia, must be influenced by a truly anti-republican principle.” – Additional Letters From The Federal Farmer (1788)

“To preserve liberty, it is essential that the whole body of the people always possess arms and be taught alike, especially when young, how to use them.” – Letters From The Federal Farmer, # 18 (January 25, 1788)

“... of the liberty of conscience in matters of religious faith, of speech and of the press; of the trial by jury of the vicinage in civil and criminal cases; of the benefit of the writ of habeas corpus; of the right to keep and bear arms.... If these rights are well defined, and secured against encroachment, it is impossible that government should ever degenerate into tyranny.” – Letters from the Federal Farmer, # 53 (1788)

“That the people have a right to keep and bear arms; that a well-regulated militia, composed of the body of the people trained to arms, is the proper, natural and safe defense of a free state; that standing armies, in time of peace, are dangerous to liberty, and therefore ought to be avoided, as far as the circumstances and protection of the community will admit.” – proposed by the Virginia delegation to the Constitutional Convention (defining the phrase “well-regulated militia” which was used exactly in the final draft of the Second Amendment); and suggested in their state ratification debates, June 1788, to clarify the right.

ELBRIDGE GERRY:

(Massachusetts delegate to the Constitutional Convention of 1787; delegate to the Massachusetts Ratification Convention of 1788 [refused to agree to the Constitution]; Vice President during President James Madison’s second term, 1813 until his death in 1814)

“What, sir, is the use of militia? It is to prevent the establishment of a standing army, the bane of liberty. . . Whenever Government means to invade the rights and liberties of the people, they always attempt to destroy the militia, in order to raise a standing army upon its ruins.” – debate in the U.S. House of Representatives (August 17, 1789)

FISHER AMES:

(Delegate to the Massachusetts Constitutional Ratification Convention of 1788, and was later elected to the U.S. House of Representatives in 1789)

“The rights of conscience, of bearing arms, of changing the government, are declared to be inherent in the people.” – letter to F.R. Minoe (June 12, 1789)

SAMUEL BRYAN:

(Pennsylvania anti-federalist, wrote under the pseudonym “Centinel”)

“That the people have a right to bear arms for the defense of themselves and their own state, or the United States, or for the purpose of killing game; and no law shall be passed for disarming the people or any of them, unless for crimes committed, or real danger of public injury from individuals...”. – during debates on ratification of the Constitution in the Pennsylvania assembly

TENCH COXE:

(Prominent Federalist from Pennsylvania, published commentary under the pseudonym “An American Citizen”)

“The militia, who are in fact the effective part of the people at large, will render many troops quite

unnecessary. They will form a powerful check upon the regular troops, and will generally be sufficient to over-awe them.” – An American Citizen (October 21,1787)

“Who are the militia? Are they not ourselves? Congress have no power to disarm the militia. Their swords and every other terrible implement of the soldier, are the birthright of an American . . . . The unlimited power of the sword is not in the hands of either the federal or state governments, but, where I trust in God it will ever remain, in the hands of the people.” – The Pennsylvania Gazette (February 20, 1788)

“As civil rulers, not having their duty to the people before them, may attempt to tyrannize, and as the military forces which must occasionally be raised to defend our country, might pervert their power to the injury of their fellow citizens, the people are confirmed by the next article (of amendment) in their right to keep and bear their private arms.” – Remarks on the First Part of the Amendments to the Federal Constitution; Federal Gazette, (June 18, 1789). Coxe sent a copy of his essay to James Madison along with a letter of the same date. Madison wrote back as follows, supporting the interpretation of the Second Amendment as an individual right: “Accept my acknowledgments for your favor of the 18th. instant. The printed remarks inclosed in it are already I find in the Gazettes here [New York] ... The amendments ... will however be greatly favored by explanatory strictures of a healing tendency, and is therefore already indebted to the co-operation of your pen.”

“The power of the sword is in the hands of Congress? My friends and countrymen, it is not so; for the powers of the sword are in the hands of the yeomanry of America from sixteen to sixty. The Militia of these free commonwealths, entitled and accustomed to their arms, when compared with any possible army, must be tremendous and irresistible. Who are the Militia? They are not ourselves as politicians and lawmakers. They are those who have elected us into our positions and entrusted us with the power of preserving and carrying out their wishes. Congress has no power to disarm the Militia. Their swords, and every other terrible implement of the soldier, are the birth-right of an American. The unlimited power of the sword is not in the hands of either the Federal or State governments, but, where I trust in God it will ever remain, in the hands of the people.” – letter to James Madison during adoption of the Bill of Rights in the United States Congress (1789)


69 posted on 07/09/2012 7:21:04 AM PDT by EternalVigilance (A Choice, not an Etch-A-Sketch. TomHoefling.com)
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To: darrellmaurina

Without the Second Amendment the others become irrelevant.


70 posted on 07/09/2012 7:25:35 AM PDT by Wordkraft (Remember who the Collaborators are.)
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To: Travis McGee
She definitely is the recipient of an affirmative action law degree. Her little “mosaic” reads like the ramblings of a troubled seventh grader. I am amazed time and time again by the stupidity of certain of those who hold law degrees and doctorates in education. Thanks for the link.
71 posted on 07/09/2012 7:35:15 AM PDT by Jay Redhawk
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To: umgud

“Gun control is like trying to solve drunk driving by making it harder for sober people to own cars.”

Is this your quote? If it is, all I can say is that it’s brilliant!


72 posted on 07/09/2012 7:36:41 AM PDT by Kratos
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To: darrellmaurina

Why does the NYT still have advertisers?

Putting an ad in the NYT should be the equivalent of financial suicide.

As the consuming part of the nation we have the ability to cripple the NYT in the money purse.

no ads = no money = no NYT


73 posted on 07/09/2012 7:38:13 AM PDT by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: darrellmaurina

Rather than give up OUR rights because of some spineless government lover type, we could greatly reduce crime by removing from our shores the 6.5% of the population which commits 50% of all crimes.

We could even go further and eliminate most of the TSA-Nazis by removing from our shores the segment of society KNOWN to want our destruction.

No, in a liberal mind it is much better to take the rights away from 100% of the population.


74 posted on 07/09/2012 7:41:25 AM PDT by Wurlitzer (Nothing says "ignorance" like Islam!)
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To: Travis McGee

more evidence that all state run law schools should be shut down.

If fools like this can be law professors then we have too many law schools.


75 posted on 07/09/2012 7:41:34 AM PDT by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: darrellmaurina

forty four years ago ESQUIRE magazine had an article about a replacement for the US Constitution in which the office of President would be abolished for “Chairman”.

In the new Bill of Rights there was NO right to keep and bear arms, in fact it was specifically mentioned there would be NO Right to bear arms.


76 posted on 07/09/2012 7:42:19 AM PDT by Ruy Dias de Bivar (I LIKE ART! Click my name. See my web page.)
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To: darrellmaurina
Give up my legally owned firearms Ms. Price?

Over your dead body...

77 posted on 07/09/2012 7:45:11 AM PDT by Dead Corpse (I will not comply.)
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To: darrellmaurina
A key fundamental right and the NYT, among others progressive lefties want to see it changed/removed? Say it ain't so..../s =.=
78 posted on 07/09/2012 7:46:22 AM PDT by cranked
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To: Kratos
Is this your quote? If it is, all I can say is that it’s brilliant!

Saw it on a gun board many, many years ago (THR).

79 posted on 07/09/2012 7:47:02 AM PDT by umgud (No Rats, No Rino's)
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To: darrellmaurina

Required reading for Melynda Price:

Why the Gun is Civilization

A Nation of Cowards


Pacifism: The Ultimate Immorality by Raymond Kraft

Last week, Jack and Jill Pacifisto were walking home through the park after dinner with friends, during which they had spent a few hours discussing the immorality of violence and war and their commitments to send more money to progressive activists over the next year. Suddenly, Tony Thug stepped out of the shadows and pointed a pistol at Jack and said, “Give me your wallet,” and, pointing the gun at Jill, “Your purse.”

“What?” asked Jack, incredulous, “Hey, we don’t want any trouble. We’re pacifists. We aren’t going to hurt you.”

“Not my problem,” said Tony, “Gimme your money.”

So Jack and Jill did, and then Tony said, “And now gimme your watches, rings, jewelry, everything worth anything.”

“Hey,” said Jill, “This is my wedding ring!”

And Tony said, “Not my problem.”

Jack and Jill handed over their wallet, and purse, and all their jewelry and Rolex watches, and then Tony shot them both twice in the chest and picked up the loot and stepped back into the shadows.

As Jill lay dying she whispered, “Jack? Why didn’t you fight back? Why didn’t you have a gun?” Those were her last words.

“I couldn’t,” whispered Jack. “I’m a pacifist.” Those were his last words.

A few days later, Bill Thaxton and his wife were walking home through the park after dinner, when Tony Thug stepped out of the shadows.

“Give me your wallet, your purse,” said Tony, pointing his gun first at Bill, and then at his wife. He did not know that Bill was an old lawman, and had been a Marine sniper when he was young, and was active in the Single Action Shooters Society and had a concealed-carry-permit. Tony assumed that the old man was just an old man with some money and a few credit cards in his wallet walking home from dinner.

“Sorry, friend, I don’t like guns, and I don’t want any trouble,” said Bill.

“Not my problem,” said Tony, “Gimme your wallet, your purse,” he said, waving the gun at Bill’s wife, “Rings, watches, everything.”

“And what if I don’t?” asked Bill.

“I’ll shoot you both. Her first,” said Tony, pointing his gun at Bill’s wife again.

“Well,” said Bill, “Okay, honey, do what he says.”

She tossed down her purse. Bill reached slowly for his left lapel with his right hand and then, like lightning, did a cross-draw with his left and came out blazing with his trusty little 9, nailing Tony three times.

As he lay on the sidewalk dying, Tony Thug was heard to mutter, “Damn, I shoulda stuck with the pacifists . . .”

An acquaintance wrote me last week to tell me proudly how he had been a pacifist since the ‘60s. His letter set me thinking about pacifism, which is the ultimate and vilest form of immorality.

If you are Hitler, or Saddam, or Osama, or Ahmadinejad, your desire to kill those you dislike is at least honest and open. You wear you hate on your sleeve and we know who and what you are. But the Pacifist wears his refusal to resist evil as if it were a badge of honor, and claims it as a sign of his or her absolute moral superiority. The Hitlers and Osamas are at least honest about who they are, the Pacifist is not. Not even to himself.

The German Pastor Martin Niemoller wrote a poem circa 1946 about the quiescence of German intellectuals in the face of the Nazi rise to power that has become famous. Translated, it reads:

When they locked up the social democrats,

I remained silent,

I was not a social democrat.

When they came for the trade unionists

I did not speak out,

I was not a trade unionist.

When they came for the Jews

I did not speak out,

I was not a Jew.

When they came for me

there was no one left to speak out.

The Pacifist says something like this, but, unlike Niemoller, without apology. He says:

When you come for my allies

I will not fight you,

for I am a Pacifist.

When you come for my countrymen

I will not fight you,

for I am a Pacifist.

When you come for my neighbor,

I will not fight you,

for I am a Pacifist.

When you come for my mother,

my father, my brother,

my sister, I will not fight you,

for I am a Pacifist.

When you come for my wife,

my husband, my son,

my daughter, I will not fight you,

for I am a Pacifist.

When you come for me,

I will not fight you,

for I am a Pacifist.

The Pacifist claims that he (or she) is too good to fight against evil, and this is the catastrophic intellectual and moral failure of Pacifism. In the guise of being too good to oppose evil, the Pacifist invokes the ultimate immorality by aiding and abetting and encouraging evil, on the pretext of being too pure, too wise, too sophisticated to fight evil, thereby turning the pretense of goodness and purity into an invocation and license for evil to act without opposition.

The moral stance of the Pacifist is, unwittingly perhaps, homicidal, genocidal, fratricidal, suicidal. The Pacifist says, in effect: “There is nothing good worth fighting for. And there is nothing so evil worth fighting against.”

The Pacifist is willing to give evil free reign, because he or she thinks or feels that fighting against evil is even worse than evil itself . . . an intellectual and moral equivocation of monumentally staggering proportions. In order to be a Pacifist, one must hold that Nazism or Islamism or Communism or any other puritanical totalitarian ideology that seeks to slaughter or oppress all the Jews or all of any other race or tribe is no worse, is not morally inferior, to the existence of Jews and Judaism, or whatever other race or tribe is the whipping boy of the day.

To be a Pacifist, one must hold that acquiescence to a Jihad that seeks to destroy Western Civilization is no worse than Western Civilization, even though the Jihad seeks to extinguish intellectual freedom, religious freedom, political freedom, and ultimately even the freedom to be a Pacifist.

As the English philosopher Edmund Burke said, “The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing.” The Pacifist replies, “I am so good that I will do nothing, I will hurt no one, even if that means that good will be destroyed and evil will win. I am so peaceful that I will not discriminate between the goodness of good and the badness of evil, certainly not with enough conviction to take up arms, literally or figuratively, against the triumph of evil over good, of totalitarianism over freedom, of barbarianism over civilization.”

And so the Pacifist, perhaps unthinkingly, unwittingly, mistakenly, is deeply mired in his intellectual confusion, but surely and unequivocally, the epitome of evil itself, For the Pacifist devoutly believes that by refusing to fight against evil he is affirming that he is good, too good and pure to oppose evil, too good and pure to fight evil, to good and pure to kill evil. But in the end, he is the enabler without whom the triumph of evil would not be possible.



80 posted on 07/09/2012 7:48:43 AM PDT by EdReform (Oath Keepers - Guardians of the Republic - Honor your oath - Join us: www.oathkeepers.org)
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